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Post by christopher on Jul 18, 2023 10:33:01 GMT -6
First time I came across a cool sounding band after starting my first studio, they said they didn’t think they could record in any way except live in the studio. Crap. I was surprised by this, because they seemed super good. Anyway they talked me into recording them live, and it was a challenge. I setup the singer/guitarist to perform just like a show, with the idea to overdub the vocals the rest of the week. They were loud, everyone wearing headphones, it went “ok”. Next day I have a 4-6 hour block for the singer to do overdubs. Man I was excited! These guys were awesome. So I setup the mic and chair to get him comfy in there, get the mood lighting, a little dark. Looked and sounded perfect! Finally all this work building the studio is paying off! I’m over behind the desk.. using talkback mic. I get a quick level, ask if he’s ready? Yes. Start tracking and I lose signal on the vocal! Boost the mic pre to max and barely anything. Crap. I stop and apologize to him, ask if he’s ready again. “Yes”. Ok we roll and same thing! Damn it! Wtf? God I’m so embarrassed, here he is pouring his emotion into a take and I can’t get anything but muffled crap. Sounded like a blanket over the mic. I’m starting to panic.
Next take I roll while going to stand out next to him. And he’s mumbling and slurring into the mic. I quickly realize this guy isn’t sober. I stop the recording and talk to him. He’s so fucked up he can barely talk like a baby. But he was smiling and happy. I ask him where he lives, and he says he doesn’t know. Crap, I don’t know where he lives. Shit. I decided get us dinner and hang out with him until early morning hours, let him sleep it off on the studio floor. He never came back to do overdubs, even though I offered a few makeup session. They had to use the live vocals, I’m still bummed lol
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Post by svart on Jul 18, 2023 10:51:37 GMT -6
Ok, one more.
I'm playing guitar through this old JCM2000 that I've fixed up. It's one of the older ones that had the PCB problem that developed in them where the PCB would become conductive between a couple pins on the output tubes and the tube bias would drift so far they'd stop working.
I have a 57 and R121 on the V30 speaker in this cabinet.
I'm playing and trying to get a specific tone for this track and what I hear becomes really muffled sounding as if the EQ circuit in the amp has gone weird. I open the door to the other room and listen and it sounds fine.
I change mics and no difference. I change cables and no difference. I change preamps and no difference.
I pull the amp and remove the guts and check around. No burnt stuff, voltages look OK, etc.
Plug it back in and it's still weird.
I take another amp and plug the output of the effects send into the return of this amp and it sounds weird. Problem has to be the power section of the JCM2000 right?
I plug the send from the JCM to the return of this other amp and it SOUNDS WEIRD.
WTF.
My cousin comes over and I have him play guitar while I mess with connections and stuff. He suggests trying a different speaker, but we both agree that it sounds good in the room so the problem HAS to be with the mics or something, right?
So while I'm changing mics, he decides to play and I hear it...
The single speaker that the mics are on isn't working. The rest ARE working just fine.. So it sounds good in the room but not to the mics.
Talk about hours of time wasted.
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Post by notneeson on Jul 18, 2023 11:31:08 GMT -6
Ok, one more. I'm playing guitar through this old JCM2000 that I've fixed up. It's one of the older ones that had the PCB problem that developed in them where the PCB would become conductive between a couple pins on the output tubes and the tube bias would drift so far they'd stop working. I have a 57 and R121 on the V30 speaker in this cabinet. I'm playing and trying to get a specific tone for this track and what I hear becomes really muffled sounding as if the EQ circuit in the amp has gone weird. I open the door to the other room and listen and it sounds fine. I change mics and no difference. I change cables and no difference. I change preamps and no difference. I pull the amp and remove the guts and check around. No burnt stuff, voltages look OK, etc. Plug it back in and it's still weird. I take another amp and plug the output of the effects send into the return of this amp and it sounds weird. Problem has to be the power section of the JCM2000 right? I plug the send from the JCM to the return of this other amp and it SOUNDS WEIRD. WTF. My cousin comes over and I have him play guitar while I mess with connections and stuff. He suggests trying a different speaker, but we both agree that it sounds good in the room so the problem HAS to be with the mics or something, right? So while I'm changing mics, he decides to play and I hear it... The single speaker that the mics are on isn't working. The rest ARE working just fine.. So it sounds good in the room but not to the mics. Talk about hours of time wasted. Oh yeah, that happened to me once too but luckily it was just a rehearsal that someone happened to be recording. I was lucky my friend caught it as I would typically be playing through the amp and I find there’s an almost right brain / left brain (gross over simplification) thing happening between playing and engineering.
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Post by svart on Jul 18, 2023 11:50:15 GMT -6
Ok, one more. I'm playing guitar through this old JCM2000 that I've fixed up. It's one of the older ones that had the PCB problem that developed in them where the PCB would become conductive between a couple pins on the output tubes and the tube bias would drift so far they'd stop working. I have a 57 and R121 on the V30 speaker in this cabinet. I'm playing and trying to get a specific tone for this track and what I hear becomes really muffled sounding as if the EQ circuit in the amp has gone weird. I open the door to the other room and listen and it sounds fine. I change mics and no difference. I change cables and no difference. I change preamps and no difference. I pull the amp and remove the guts and check around. No burnt stuff, voltages look OK, etc. Plug it back in and it's still weird. I take another amp and plug the output of the effects send into the return of this amp and it sounds weird. Problem has to be the power section of the JCM2000 right? I plug the send from the JCM to the return of this other amp and it SOUNDS WEIRD. WTF. My cousin comes over and I have him play guitar while I mess with connections and stuff. He suggests trying a different speaker, but we both agree that it sounds good in the room so the problem HAS to be with the mics or something, right? So while I'm changing mics, he decides to play and I hear it... The single speaker that the mics are on isn't working. The rest ARE working just fine.. So it sounds good in the room but not to the mics. Talk about hours of time wasted. Oh yeah, that happened to me once too but luckily it was just a rehearsal that someone happened to be recording. I was lucky my friend caught it as I would typically be playing through the amp and I find there’s an almost right brain / left brain (gross over simplification) thing happening between playing and engineering. I find that if you've fixed something and something goes wrong, you automatically assume that it has to do with what you've repaired.
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Post by drumsound on Jul 18, 2023 13:30:31 GMT -6
Ok, one more. I'm playing guitar through this old JCM2000 that I've fixed up. It's one of the older ones that had the PCB problem that developed in them where the PCB would become conductive between a couple pins on the output tubes and the tube bias would drift so far they'd stop working. I have a 57 and R121 on the V30 speaker in this cabinet. I'm playing and trying to get a specific tone for this track and what I hear becomes really muffled sounding as if the EQ circuit in the amp has gone weird. I open the door to the other room and listen and it sounds fine. I change mics and no difference. I change cables and no difference. I change preamps and no difference. I pull the amp and remove the guts and check around. No burnt stuff, voltages look OK, etc. Plug it back in and it's still weird. I take another amp and plug the output of the effects send into the return of this amp and it sounds weird. Problem has to be the power section of the JCM2000 right? I plug the send from the JCM to the return of this other amp and it SOUNDS WEIRD. WTF. My cousin comes over and I have him play guitar while I mess with connections and stuff. He suggests trying a different speaker, but we both agree that it sounds good in the room so the problem HAS to be with the mics or something, right? So while I'm changing mics, he decides to play and I hear it... The single speaker that the mics are on isn't working. The rest ARE working just fine.. So it sounds good in the room but not to the mics. Talk about hours of time wasted. As I was reading this I was dumbfounded. It probably would have taken me even longer to figure it out.
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Post by thehightenor on Jul 18, 2023 16:32:45 GMT -6
I used to do a lot of work as a session drummer. Some of it quite well paid.
On one session I was booked for, the bass player (and you never knew who the other players were going to be) was stuck on a phrase or two, so I stepped in to help out.
I said to him, the push comes after 4 bars just before the first chorus.
He said, and I kid you not.
"4 bars - that's about 9 seconds of playing"
I thought oh sh*t, this is going to be a very long session.
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Post by drumsound on Jul 18, 2023 16:41:47 GMT -6
I used to do a lot of work as a session drummer. Some of it quite well paid. On one session I was booked for, the bass player (and you never knew who the other players were going to be) was stuck on a phrase or two, so I stepped in to help out. I said to him, the push comes after 4 bars just before the first chorus. He said, and I kid you not. "4 bars - that's about 9 seconds of playing" I thought oh sh*t, this is going to be a very long session. Just...WOW
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Post by Mister Chase on Jul 18, 2023 21:48:47 GMT -6
Can't say I've had anything super strange other than the usual: Not getting signal through the chain from a drum mic. Nothing. Dead. Go about replugging everything.. Still nothing. Swap mic. Nothing. Swap cables. Nothing. Swap patches. Nothing. Swap preamps. Nothing. Plug everything back the way it was originally. WORKS FINE. But I have had some pretty funny things happen: So there was this one time I was setting up for a session and waiting for a person to show up to the studio. I plugged everything in, got some tones set for guitars, etc. I was in the other room and I hear "HELLO?". I thought it was the person I was waiting for and that they had simply walked in without my cameras detecting them and sending me an alert yet. I walked around and didn't see anyone. No cars outside. No camera detections. I go back into the other room and I hear "Hello!".. I walk back out and nobody is there. No cars, no people. NOTHING. I walked back into the other room and I hear muffled talking.. That's when it dawned on me that every time I walked into the other room, I was creating some kind of perfect condition for the guitar and amp to pick up RADIO and I was hearing people talking on the RADIO. I regularly have fire and brimstone type religious radio come through my guitars here. It's faint and so I feel like I'm imagining it then I hear all the biblical talk and it makes me think I'm haunted. I've recorded it sometimes haha.
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Post by chessparov on Jul 19, 2023 8:31:03 GMT -6
You must have quite a collection then. Chris
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2023 11:26:41 GMT -6
Can't say I've had anything super strange other than the usual: Not getting signal through the chain from a drum mic. Nothing. Dead. Go about replugging everything.. Still nothing. Swap mic. Nothing. Swap cables. Nothing. Swap patches. Nothing. Swap preamps. Nothing. Plug everything back the way it was originally. WORKS FINE. But I have had some pretty funny things happen: So there was this one time I was setting up for a session and waiting for a person to show up to the studio. I plugged everything in, got some tones set for guitars, etc. I was in the other room and I hear "HELLO?". I thought it was the person I was waiting for and that they had simply walked in without my cameras detecting them and sending me an alert yet. I walked around and didn't see anyone. No cars outside. No camera detections. I go back into the other room and I hear "Hello!".. I walk back out and nobody is there. No cars, no people. NOTHING. I walked back into the other room and I hear muffled talking.. That's when it dawned on me that every time I walked into the other room, I was creating some kind of perfect condition for the guitar and amp to pick up RADIO and I was hearing people talking on the RADIO. I regularly have fire and brimstone type religious radio come through my guitars here. It's faint and so I feel like I'm imagining it then I hear all the biblical talk and it makes me think I'm haunted. I've recorded it sometimes haha. Sick if you’re a metal band.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 19, 2023 12:30:09 GMT -6
If I ever have my own studio room or space, I hope I can afford to have enough space to reach behind the desk instead of reaching for the cables in the back from the front. I'm all too often plugging something in blind and crossing my fingers I don't have to pull out my desk to fix it.
On another weird shit happens note, I received a message on facebook a few months ago. Someone who knew of my band The Demons found a 2 track reel to reel tape at a flea market, bought it and sent it to me. It was the first demo I did with the band. It was done on a four track Teac in a living room in New Haven Ct., done over 40 years ago. Heaven knows how he was inspired to buy the tape, find me and send it forward.
I have to have it baked before I can play it.
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Post by srb on Jul 19, 2023 13:03:09 GMT -6
If I ever have my own studio room or space, I hope I can afford to have enough space to reach behind the desk instead of reaching for the cables in the back from the front. I'm all too often plugging something in blind and crossing my fingers I don't have to pull out my desk to fix it. On another weird shit happens note, I received a message on facebook a few months ago. Someone who knew of my band The Demons found a 2 track reel to reel tape at a flea market, bought it and sent it to me. It was the first demo I did with the band. It was done on a four track Teac in a living room in New Haven Ct., done over 40 years ago. Heaven knows how he was inspired to buy the tape, find me and send it forward. I have to have it baked before I can play it. If I'd known you were coming, I'd have baked a tape!
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Post by drumsound on Jul 19, 2023 16:15:45 GMT -6
Can't say I've had anything super strange other than the usual: Not getting signal through the chain from a drum mic. Nothing. Dead. Go about replugging everything.. Still nothing. Swap mic. Nothing. Swap cables. Nothing. Swap patches. Nothing. Swap preamps. Nothing. Plug everything back the way it was originally. WORKS FINE. But I have had some pretty funny things happen: So there was this one time I was setting up for a session and waiting for a person to show up to the studio. I plugged everything in, got some tones set for guitars, etc. I was in the other room and I hear "HELLO?". I thought it was the person I was waiting for and that they had simply walked in without my cameras detecting them and sending me an alert yet. I walked around and didn't see anyone. No cars outside. No camera detections. I go back into the other room and I hear "Hello!".. I walk back out and nobody is there. No cars, no people. NOTHING. I walked back into the other room and I hear muffled talking.. That's when it dawned on me that every time I walked into the other room, I was creating some kind of perfect condition for the guitar and amp to pick up RADIO and I was hearing people talking on the RADIO. I regularly have fire and brimstone type religious radio come through my guitars here. It's faint and so I feel like I'm imagining it then I hear all the biblical talk and it makes me think I'm haunted. I've recorded it sometimes haha. I've left faint radio on tracks when amps picked it up.
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Post by notneeson on Jul 19, 2023 18:12:29 GMT -6
If I ever have my own studio room or space, I hope I can afford to have enough space to reach behind the desk instead of reaching for the cables in the back from the front. I'm all too often plugging something in blind and crossing my fingers I don't have to pull out my desk to fix it. On another weird shit happens note, I received a message on facebook a few months ago. Someone who knew of my band The Demons found a 2 track reel to reel tape at a flea market, bought it and sent it to me. It was the first demo I did with the band. It was done on a four track Teac in a living room in New Haven Ct., done over 40 years ago. Heaven knows how he was inspired to buy the tape, find me and send it forward. I have to have it baked before I can play it. That’s awesome about those reels. I have one of those audio desks with built in racks and it’s on casters. This is great because I can roll the whole thing forward to get at the back of the racks when needed.
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Post by thehightenor on Jul 20, 2023 13:02:20 GMT -6
If I ever have my own studio room or space, I hope I can afford to have enough space to reach behind the desk instead of reaching for the cables in the back from the front. I'm all too often plugging something in blind and crossing my fingers I don't have to pull out my desk to fix it. ^ This. I've have had a lifetime of pushing my racks, desk, monitors, amps, instruments (like drums, keyboards, pianos) etc etc up against walls never to be able to get to them again without pulling them out at great inconvenience and hassle. My dream is to have a huge room and place my gear so I can, when needed, walk behind and have access to everything. It would be literally life changing :-)
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 20, 2023 13:12:22 GMT -6
Amen, hightenor.
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Post by drbill on Jul 20, 2023 13:24:28 GMT -6
If I ever have my own studio room or space, I hope I can afford to have enough space to reach behind the desk instead of reaching for the cables in the back from the front. I'm all too often plugging something in blind and crossing my fingers I don't have to pull out my desk to fix it. ^ This. I've have had a lifetime of pushing my racks, desk, monitors, amps, instruments (like drums, keyboards, pianos) etc etc up against walls never to be able to get to them again without pulling them out at great inconvenience and hassle. My dream is to have a huge room and place my gear so I can, when needed, walk behind and have access to everything. It would be literally life changing :-) That's cool, but in my perfect world I don't even want the hint of wire clutter in my room. I don't want to have racks pulled out from the wall for access. Even better yet for me would be to have faux walls with all gear permanently "wall mounted" inside the studio with a 6' "hallway" behind the wall. Essentially a complete "machine room" that encircles the studio. Then it's easy to just walk behind the interior walls to access whatever needs access if/when the need occurs. Neat, clean, less noise, and "hallway" heavily climate controlled, etc.. Super clean look with all the access needed! Unfortunately, it pretty much neccessitates building a purpose built room, and a way bigger room. But....dreaming.....
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Post by ericn on Jul 20, 2023 14:40:52 GMT -6
^ This. I've have had a lifetime of pushing my racks, desk, monitors, amps, instruments (like drums, keyboards, pianos) etc etc up against walls never to be able to get to them again without pulling them out at great inconvenience and hassle. My dream is to have a huge room and place my gear so I can, when needed, walk behind and have access to everything. It would be literally life changing :-) That's cool, but in my perfect world I don't even want the hint of wire clutter in my room. I don't want to have racks pulled out from the wall for access. Even better yet for me would be to have faux walls with all gear permanently "wall mounted" inside the studio with a 6' "hallway" behind the wall. Essentially a complete "machine room" that encircles the studio. Then it's easy to just walk behind the interior walls to access whatever needs access if/when the need occurs. Neat, clean, less noise, and "hallway" heavily climate controlled, etc.. Super clean look with all the access needed! Unfortunately, it pretty much neccessitates building a purpose built room, and a way bigger room. But....dreaming..... This is why we have patchbays, and you and I are probably the biggest advocates of comprehensive patchbays. I never want to be patching at the gear, to many issues.
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Post by drbill on Jul 20, 2023 16:03:32 GMT -6
That's cool, but in my perfect world I don't even want the hint of wire clutter in my room. I don't want to have racks pulled out from the wall for access. Even better yet for me would be to have faux walls with all gear permanently "wall mounted" inside the studio with a 6' "hallway" behind the wall. Essentially a complete "machine room" that encircles the studio. Then it's easy to just walk behind the interior walls to access whatever needs access if/when the need occurs. Neat, clean, less noise, and "hallway" heavily climate controlled, etc.. Super clean look with all the access needed! Unfortunately, it pretty much neccessitates building a purpose built room, and a way bigger room. But....dreaming..... This is why we have patchbays, and you and I are probably the biggest advocates of comprehensive patchbays. I never want to be patching at the gear, to many issues. Absolutely!!!! That's step #1. But there are still times we get a new piece of gear, want to move a piece to a different location, etc.. We still have to get behind racks on occasion. For me - this current go-around - I've got a machine room (thank GOD!!!), overhead soffits to keep wire off the floor, holes thru walls to keep things organized, a FAUX HeadWall that I can route wire behind, an ergonomic Sterling Modular desk to keep things tidy, and conveniently located floorpan for my racks to alleviate the inevitable rats nest of wire criss-crossing the studio. So I guess I'm about 85% there. But if I had a couple hundred thou with no use for it ( ), I'd rebuild a new place with my above scenario, have Hedback design the crap out of it, and have all my gear embedded into walls instead of racks. There's more room for gear that way too..... heh heh. Maybe Jeff would have me with sliding faux acoustic walls in front of my faux gear walls that could be pushed away to get to the gear and keep the listening room gear-reflection free. Haha Hey, come to think of it, I do have my Vision consoles embedded in a swinging wall. I guess maybe that sounds for an extra 8% or so.... This is gonna get expensive.....
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 20, 2023 16:10:35 GMT -6
Well, this is the Weird Shit Happens thread, so why not have drbill's dream room appear in his life.
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Post by ericn on Jul 20, 2023 16:42:00 GMT -6
This is why we have patchbays, and you and I are probably the biggest advocates of comprehensive patchbays. I never want to be patching at the gear, to many issues. Absolutely!!!! That's step #1. But there are still times we get a new piece of gear, want to move a piece to a different location, etc.. We still have to get behind racks on occasion. For me - this current go-around - I've got a machine room (thank GOD!!!), overhead soffits to keep wire off the floor, holes thru walls to keep things organized, a FAUX HeadWall that I can route wire behind, an ergonomic Sterling Modular desk to keep things tidy, and conveniently located floorpan for my racks to alleviate the inevitable rats nest of wire criss-crossing the studio. So I guess I'm about 85% there. But if I had a couple hundred thou with no use for it ( ), I'd rebuild a new place with my above scenario, have Hedback design the crap out of it, and have all my gear embedded into walls instead of racks. There's more room for gear that way too..... heh heh. Maybe Jeff would have me with sliding faux acoustic walls in front of my faux gear walls that could be pushed away to get to the gear and keep the listening room gear-reflection free. Haha Hey, come to think of it, I do have my Vision consoles embedded in a swinging wall. I guess maybe that sounds for an extra 8% or so.... This is gonna get expensive..... Bill the sad expensive side of building a new room, every time you learn a couple things that you could have done better.
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Post by drbill on Jul 20, 2023 16:50:54 GMT -6
Absolutely!!!! That's step #1. But there are still times we get a new piece of gear, want to move a piece to a different location, etc.. We still have to get behind racks on occasion. For me - this current go-around - I've got a machine room (thank GOD!!!), overhead soffits to keep wire off the floor, holes thru walls to keep things organized, a FAUX HeadWall that I can route wire behind, an ergonomic Sterling Modular desk to keep things tidy, and conveniently located floorpan for my racks to alleviate the inevitable rats nest of wire criss-crossing the studio. So I guess I'm about 85% there. But if I had a couple hundred thou with no use for it ( ), I'd rebuild a new place with my above scenario, have Hedback design the crap out of it, and have all my gear embedded into walls instead of racks. There's more room for gear that way too..... heh heh. Maybe Jeff would have me with sliding faux acoustic walls in front of my faux gear walls that could be pushed away to get to the gear and keep the listening room gear-reflection free. Haha Hey, come to think of it, I do have my Vision consoles embedded in a swinging wall. I guess maybe that sounds for an extra 8% or so.... This is gonna get expensive..... Bill the sad expensive side of building a new room, every time you learn a couple things that you could have done better. Very, very true.....
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Post by drumsound on Jul 20, 2023 17:32:59 GMT -6
Absolutely!!!! That's step #1. But there are still times we get a new piece of gear, want to move a piece to a different location, etc.. We still have to get behind racks on occasion. For me - this current go-around - I've got a machine room (thank GOD!!!), overhead soffits to keep wire off the floor, holes thru walls to keep things organized, a FAUX HeadWall that I can route wire behind, an ergonomic Sterling Modular desk to keep things tidy, and conveniently located floorpan for my racks to alleviate the inevitable rats nest of wire criss-crossing the studio. So I guess I'm about 85% there. But if I had a couple hundred thou with no use for it ( ), I'd rebuild a new place with my above scenario, have Hedback design the crap out of it, and have all my gear embedded into walls instead of racks. There's more room for gear that way too..... heh heh. Maybe Jeff would have me with sliding faux acoustic walls in front of my faux gear walls that could be pushed away to get to the gear and keep the listening room gear-reflection free. Haha Hey, come to think of it, I do have my Vision consoles embedded in a swinging wall. I guess maybe that sounds for an extra 8% or so.... This is gonna get expensive..... Bill the sad expensive side of building a new room, every time you learn a couple things that you could have done better. Bill the sad expensive side of building a new room, every time you learn a couple things that you could have done better. Very, very true..... A tech I used to work with used to say "A studio is never finished, because if it is you're DONE."
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 20, 2023 18:07:01 GMT -6
What makes it even more difficult is the energy (vibe) in the room. EVERY room has a different energy you can feel. Not only do you have to get the sound right, you have to get the vibe you want too.
I had a girlfriend who lived in one of the most magnificent apartments in all of New York. It was like the city home of a king. She had her own suite (bedroom, office and bath) within the 4,800 sq. foot palace her mother and famous father in law occupied. Of the twelve rooms, one in particular, a "family" room made me instantly feel good every time I sat down on a couch there. It was so profound, I began to research architectural design to learn just why this was happening because I wanted to recreate that feeling wherever I lived. It never happened, it was just that room.
It kind of fits the Weird Shit Happens context, because the peaceful and content feeling I had in that room was so noticeable, it was almost spooky.
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Post by drumsound on Jul 21, 2023 9:31:06 GMT -6
What makes it even more difficult is the energy (vibe) in the room. EVERY room has a different energy you can feel. Not only do you have to get the sound right, you have to get the vibe you want too. I had a girlfriend who lived in one of the most magnificent apartments in all of New York. It was like the city home of a king. She had her own suite (bedroom, office and bath) within the 4,800 sq. foot palace her mother and famous father in law occupied. Of the twelve rooms, one in particular, a "family" room made me instantly feel good every time I sat down on a couch there. It was so profound, I began to research architectural design to learn just why this was happening because I wanted to recreate that feeling wherever I lived. It never happened, it was just that room. It kind of fits the Weird Shit Happens context, because the peaceful and content feeling I had in that room was so noticeable, it was almost spooky. I totally know those feelings. I've also had the opposite. When my GF was looking for apartments I remember the moment we walked into the lobby of a building I felt very bad juju. She didn't rent there. Fast forward to 2 years ago and that place had fire. My landlord bought it and is slowly rehabbing it. I was in there 2 weeks ago and I literally believe it's been cleansed by fire. Didn't feel weird at all.
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