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Post by Pueblo Audio on May 18, 2023 14:22:40 GMT -6
Dear RGO’ers, I am on the cusp of releasing a new Pueblo mic pre: LAGUNA quad pre with dual transformer/transformer less outputs. Other features will be HPF and Hi/Lo input impedance. It’s been tested against many stalwart vintage pres and the results are exciting. I had a last minute impulse to add a DI input on one channel. It would not be as universal a tool as our flagship OLLA Hybrid DI. None the less, I suspect some corners of the market would find an integrated DI input helpful. So I am curious how this community might feel about this. Is it a good, “value-added” feature? The extra cost would slight. My question is whether it would be a handy, rudimentary feature, in spite that it’s not a crème-de-la-crème circuit. How might folks here perceive its desirability? Any input is welcome, and thanks in advance!
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Post by Johnkenn on May 18, 2023 15:03:47 GMT -6
Love the idea of adding the DI…but I’d love to see either a mono or stereo unit too. Quad is probably out of my price range.
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Post by jcoutu1 on May 18, 2023 15:08:09 GMT -6
I’d prefer to have it on 2 channels rather than just one. Could be handy for a stereo keyboard in the control room.
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Post by kcatthedog on May 18, 2023 15:09:22 GMT -6
If you are going to do it: two makes more sense to me too !
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Post by mike on May 18, 2023 15:44:52 GMT -6
Love the idea of adding the DI…but I’d love to see either a mono or stereo unit too. Quad is probably out of my price range. Same, on I would prefer a mono or stereo unit also. I doubt that the Quad would fit my budget and typically track 1 or 2 channels at a time anyway. The DI is not as important to me and I'd probably rather keep the overall cost as affordable as possible.
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Post by Darren Boling on May 18, 2023 15:46:13 GMT -6
As a big OLLA fan I say 2 too.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 18, 2023 15:50:13 GMT -6
Yeah - demo’d the Olla and it was awesome.
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Post by Pueblo Audio on May 18, 2023 15:54:18 GMT -6
Thanks for the input so far. Though the 1U chassis can offer as many as 4 channels, the LAGUNA is scalable. It can be ordered with 1, 2, 3 or 4 channels installed. Alas, the chassis is already totally stuffed with guts and I can only fit this DI bonus feature into the 1st channel. No room for more. Here is a concept drawing... Each channel has a mic input, and two line outputs. One is transformer and the other transformerless. Both operate at the same time giving two sonic flavors and multiple routing options.
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Post by Pueblo Audio on May 18, 2023 16:08:36 GMT -6
As a big OLLA fan I say 2 too. Hi Nutwig! I appreciate that! But let me repeat that the proposed DI feature of LAGUNA would not be an OLLA. Not enough room and the additional costs would probably push the price too far. This would be a basic, 1meg input. Probably will accommodate balanced and unbalanced sources.
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Post by hadaja on May 18, 2023 19:37:55 GMT -6
I will go against the grain and say we all have our favourite DI boxes so if this DI is not up to your highest standard then leave it out and people can just use there own. At some point it could be a $$ priced upgrade option if a customer wants it. Having no DI and being slightly cheaper is a bigger bonus for me if I was to buy my first piece Pueblo Audio gear. So any pictures you can share of the inside of the unit?
Also I would have thought it would have more then 60db of gain if you are adding an output transformer? Maybe a little description of your thought processes about why you think this design would be great in the current market place. I would also love to hear that. Cheers
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Post by ab101 on May 18, 2023 21:52:24 GMT -6
Sounds fantastic! Yes - please make it at least 2 DI.
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Post by vvvooojjj on May 19, 2023 0:12:13 GMT -6
A DI or two in a pre is always a good addition.
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Post by mcirish on May 19, 2023 7:55:54 GMT -6
personally, whatever you do, make the input impedance of the DI 1Meg. Anything less loads down passive pickups and becomes worthless.
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Post by ab101 on May 19, 2023 9:24:46 GMT -6
I will go against the grain and say we all have our favourite DI boxes so if this DI is not up to your highest standard then leave it out and people can just use there own. At some point it could be a $$ priced upgrade option if a customer wants it. Having no DI and being slightly cheaper is a bigger bonus for me if I was to buy my first piece Pueblo Audio gear. So any pictures you can share of the inside of the unit?
Also I would have thought it would have more then 60db of gain if you are adding an output transformer? Maybe a little description of your thought processes about why you think this design would be great in the current market place. I would also love to hear that. Cheers
Good post. Makes me want to amend my post. If there is going to be an added DI, then I think there should be at lesat two (not one). But it is perfectly fine not to add a DI at all for the reasons you stated. Thank you.
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Post by Omicron9 on May 19, 2023 11:07:02 GMT -6
Just a side thought here: if possible, can you add it to the back panel? I have much disdain for rack gear with front panel connections. If there is any possible cable over which I can trip, I will. Front panel-induced cable tripping also usually rips the cable out of the jack, sometimes causing damage. If others aren't quite as Three-Stoogey as me, then maybe it's not a big concern.
Just a thought. -09
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Post by Pueblo Audio on May 19, 2023 13:00:28 GMT -6
I will go against the grain and say we all have our favourite DI boxes so if this DI is not up to your highest standard then leave it out and people can just use there own ... Having no DI and being slightly cheaper is a bigger bonus for me if I was to buy my first piece Pueblo Audio gear. Indeed, this is the perspective that I am wrestling with (and the reason for my post). This "utility" DI input would only add maybe $35 to the price tag. It might be helpful and add some versatility to LAGUNA, but it would not be the ultimate expression of direct injection, as our OLLA DI is. This is what I am going back and forth on. Also I would have thought it would have more then 60db of gain if you are adding an output transformer? It is common for an output transformer to just be added on to an existing circuit to convert the single ended amp to a balanced output. Or to claim transformer "color". In LAGUNA, the signal path is completely balanced with its transformer being integral to circuit functions. A design could employ a step-up output transformer for added gain but I have found them to be unnecessarily blurry. +60dB is plenty of gain for the majority of music recording scenarios. Maybe a little description of your thought processes about why you think this design would be great in the current market place.r. Over the years I have received requests and suggestions about our JR-Series preamps. I decided to condense this wish list into a new product that retains the high standards of Pueblo products in a more standard form factor. As for sonics, well, maybe you're someone who likes classic/vintage preamps but sometimes wishes for a little less noise, more focus and tracks that stack more easily in the mix? Or maybe you're a person who goes for clean, life-like sound but could use just one more "click" of harmonic energy and punch? If so then I think LAGUNA hits that sweet spot. I appreciate your input!
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Post by hadaja on May 19, 2023 19:51:22 GMT -6
See thats a better description. Thanks for that. It give us some insight into the mind of the designer and what the goals of what they were trying to achieve in there product design. Can you talk a little more about why you went transformer balanced output over just non- transformer active balance output? You have already said it was not really to add any colour, just wondering if this was an easier solution to go with or is this in line with the JR series preamp? And how is this preamp different from the 2 x Channel JR preamp? Thanks
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Post by Ward on May 22, 2023 8:00:48 GMT -6
The pro audio equipment world is only becoming more competitive. More features will only help you compete.
Especially in a preamp offering!
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Post by honkeur on May 22, 2023 8:37:20 GMT -6
When I think of quad preamp, I think “tracking live drums”. So maybe the DI not really needed in this use-case…?
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Post by Ward on May 22, 2023 9:56:02 GMT -6
Speaking of using a quad preamp for drums.... I've been trying to tell this to manufacturers (but to no avail) for almost two decades now. If you're going to build a quad preamp and want it to appeal to AEs for drum rec, put this simple option on each channel. A simple push button that does this, cleans up the mud! It is so easy. It doesn't have to be exactly this, but this is my recommendation. Can you consider doing this, Pueblo Audio?
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Post by jcoutu1 on May 22, 2023 12:14:17 GMT -6
Speaking of using a quad preamp for drums.... I've been trying to tell this to manufacturers (but to no avail) for almost two decades now. If you're going to build a quad preamp and want it to appeal to AEs for drum rec, put this simple option on each channel. A simple push button that does this, cleans up the mud! It is so easy. It doesn't have to be exactly this, but this is my recommendation. View AttachmentCan you consider doing this, Pueblo Audio? Just a mild 17dB cut. 😂😂
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Post by Pueblo Audio on May 22, 2023 13:32:45 GMT -6
See thats a better description. Thanks for that. It give us some insight into the mind of the designer and what the goals of what they were trying to achieve in there product design. Can you talk a little more about why you went transformer balanced output over just non- transformer active balance output? You have already said it was not really to add any colour, just wondering if this was an easier solution to go with or is this in line with the JR series preamp? And how is this preamp different from the 2 x Channel JR preamp? Thanks My general mind set is to design gear that offers solutions to problems that are not yet solved (or at least not solved as well as they should) . My style is to solve at fundamental operational levels. The JR-Series solved my desire to better capture the tone, atmosphere and performer's personality under remote recording situations. Not with questionable voicing via EQ or saturation. Rather by supporting both mics and preamps to reach their best resolution potentials in the face of location recording challenges like high emi, poor power service, long cable runs, etc.. (boy that sounds like hyperbole but it’s my honest goal.) Laguna seeks to address needs of the studio environment while accommodating more pop related aesthetics. Integrating a transformer to achieve that by advantage of their natural properties of balance, galvanic isolation and (with high performance xfrmrs) tasteful harmonic relief. Again, solving issues at fundamental levels. I am currently updating our website to compare and contrast the merits of our various models. Should be live in the next week or two.
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Post by Pueblo Audio on May 22, 2023 14:11:45 GMT -6
Speaking of using a quad preamp for drums.... I've been trying to tell this to manufacturers (but to no avail) for almost two decades now. If you're going to build a quad preamp and want it to appeal to AEs for drum rec, put this simple option on each channel. A simple push button that does this, cleans up the mud! It is so easy. It doesn't have to be exactly this, but this is my recommendation. View AttachmentCan you consider doing this, Pueblo Audio? Hi Ward, Thanks for the suggestion. Alas, implementing that kind of filter in the analog domain, which would also perform at the same quality level as the preamp, would increase the size and price of the product beyond sustainability. Sorry.
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Post by ab101 on May 22, 2023 14:53:38 GMT -6
Love these specs for your JR clean pres. I would think they would be great with DPAs and Schoeps on a Steinway, orchestral, etc. puebloaudio.com/jr-series-preamps.htmlSince you have the DC inputs, how is the impedence for ribbons? Is a higher impedence desired there? Thank you for your great work and thank you for posting on this awesome forum!
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Post by Ward on May 23, 2023 6:07:56 GMT -6
Speaking of using a quad preamp for drums.... I've been trying to tell this to manufacturers (but to no avail) for almost two decades now. If you're going to build a quad preamp and want it to appeal to AEs for drum rec, put this simple option on each channel. A simple push button that does this, cleans up the mud! It is so easy. It doesn't have to be exactly this, but this is my recommendation. View AttachmentCan you consider doing this, Pueblo Audio? Just a mild 17dB cut. 😂😂 It doesn't have to be that extreme! I was just trying to show an easily readable graphic. LOL And there are ways of making a simple switch to do this without introducing another circuit board.
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