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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 27, 2014 10:14:16 GMT -6
Yeah...that's why there should be consequences. I guarantee you if there was a way to steal Starbucks coffee (or other tangible objects) with no consequence, people would do it. It's human nature. I'm not saying put people in jail over it...but there should be a consequence. That's the only way to curtail it.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jun 27, 2014 10:38:41 GMT -6
The problem now is that people don't need to even steal it at this point. Way off topic from the thread, but here's a little story.
I have a friend that has an old laptop. He hasn't used the laptop in a couple of years because it's old and slow, so he just sticks to the desktop in the living room. He's looking at replacing the laptop so he'll have something portable for trips and stuff again. I asked him about files from the old machine that he would need to transfer over and stuff. "I have all of my old CD's uploaded to the laptop, but I don't really need them now because I have Spotify. I can start fresh with a new laptop."
I think this pretty much sums up the thoughts of the casual music listener. No reason for cd's or music that you've already paid for because you can just listen to whatever you want for free on Spotify. Even the stuff that he's already paid for no longer matters. We'll go to shows together and stuff and he'll almost always buy a CD from whoever we're there to see, but only to help support the touring musicians. He doesn't need the physical copy, just Spotify.
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Post by tonycamphd on Jun 27, 2014 10:52:46 GMT -6
^ speaks to value, i remember when i was a kid, i wouldn't let ANYONE touch my vinyl or CD's for fear of them damaging my hard earned possessions, i literally hid my Kiss Alive album from my brother 8) People simply don't value what they get for free... BTW, IMO your buddy buying a CD to support the band is much, much more thoughtful that 99.9999% of the people out there. sorry about the cynicism Johnkenn i should be working on that too |
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Post by Ward on Jun 27, 2014 11:18:26 GMT -6
Sorry for the cynicism? You're in the music business! That's the only upside left.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 27, 2014 11:25:42 GMT -6
^ speaks to value, i remember when i was a kid, i wouldn't let ANYONE touch my vinyl or CD's for fear of them damaging my hard earned possessions, i literally hid my Kiss Alive album from my brother 8) People simply don't value what they get for free... ; That's why I think it has to be legislated. Honestly, if you could steal cars without consequence, the car industry would go under. For the LIFE of me - I can't understand how it's ok for MY product to be used to make money for a company (Spotify, et.al) that I didn't consent to give the rights to. I bet I have been paid under $100 from Spotify. That is thievery pure and simple. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 27, 2014 11:26:52 GMT -6
Although - I say it should be legislated - it's ALREADY illegal to steal. But the compensation that these streaming sites are offering in NO WAY even translates to any sort of minimum wage.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 27, 2014 18:27:21 GMT -6
m.nashvillescene.com/nashvillecream/archives/2014/06/27/nashville-developer-says-he-will-not-demolish-rca-studio-aNashville Developer Says He Will Not Demolish RCA Studio A Ben Folds and the rest of musicians and music fans worldwide worried about the fate of famed RCA Studio A may be able to breathe a sigh of relief, as Brentwood developer Tim Reynolds — whose company, Bravo Development, is reportedly on deck to buy the Music Row building housing the historic studio — says it is, and always was, his intention to preserve Studio A. Folds, who’s rented, renovated and operated the studio for the last 12 years, penned a passionate open letter to Reynolds — who’s known for developing condominium complexes — and the city of Nashville stressing the importance of keeping the studio out of a wrecking ball’s path. “We’re glad to [say] that if Bravo Development consummates its sale, it is our full intention to preserve and incorporate the studio into our design,” Reynolds tells the Scene. “We are now in the early stages of the engineer work and architectural work, but if that can be achieved, we will incorporate that studio and preserve it.” Reynolds goes on to say that preserving Studio A was his and Bravo’s intent from Day 1, and was not a decision inspired by public outcry over perceived potential plans to demolish it. “It was always part of the plan,” he explains. “One of the issues is that the structure there is so old, that the engineers and architects must find a way to leave the studio in tact and be able to incorporate a great design around it, making that studio a part of it. Reynolds says that despite the challenges, preserving Studio A is paramount to his and Bravo’s plans. “It is going to be an engineering feat,” he says. “But if it can’t be done, I would certainly withdraw my contract, because it has always been our intention to incorporate [Studio A] somehow in our design.” "All I can say is that this speaks volumes about the character of Mr. Reynolds and demonstrates an appreciation and respect for our city’s great music heritage," says Folds in a Facebook post. "Thank you Mr. Reynolds. I look forward to learning more about the studio’s ultimate fate, and will pass along any further information I receive."
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 27, 2014 18:29:01 GMT -6
They can put a man on the moon...I would think they could build around the studio
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Jun 28, 2014 9:09:57 GMT -6
Hopefully they'll leave enough room to build the larger control room it needs in order to be more than just another studio museum. It's also rapidly approaching the age where it could be zoned as a historical landmark with no exterior modifications allowed.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 28, 2014 9:11:04 GMT -6
I think it's one year shy.
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Post by Randge on Jun 28, 2014 22:42:44 GMT -6
Glad to see that happen. Lots of mojo could have been lost.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2014 21:54:26 GMT -6
I think what I would have said has been already said. It reminds me of when Winnipeggers here wanted to keep the old Eaton's building where they eventually put the MTS centre. All that needed to be asked was why and all of sudden a logical answer eluded everyone. I suppose a luxury experience could be argued but are we really in a business that can afford luxury? My clients can't, I can't. I'm still attentive to my work but I am not sentimental for things and when I can work faster and cheaper to the same quality standard I do and it appears I'm not alone in that thinking.
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Post by tonycamphd on Jun 30, 2014 7:47:31 GMT -6
@jordanvoth ^ ? Am I to understand that u consider ur recordings of the same quality as those that are coming out of RCA studio A? Or am I misunderstanding this?
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Jun 30, 2014 8:57:25 GMT -6
So recording an ensemble of musicians at the same time is now "a luxury experience?" I'd argue it's the cheapest possible way to make a first class recording. Of course the ensemble needs to be really good but that's also more true for live gigs than it has been in a couple decades.
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Post by kevinnyc on Jun 30, 2014 9:03:01 GMT -6
Sadly, largely only those who do not need their studios to be cash flow positive can afford the old school, large live room studios anymore.
Wish it were different but that's the reality.
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Post by jimwilliams on Jun 30, 2014 9:24:02 GMT -6
So recording an ensemble of musicians at the same time is now "a luxury experience?" I'd argue it's the cheapest possible way to make a first class recording. Of course the ensemble needs to be really good but that's also more true for live gigs than it has been in a couple decades. There lies the problem. Seems many productions are done by one man and the computer. It's not common anymore to find a crack live band that can come in and record basic tracks all at one time. When you try, all the players that messed up want you to fix them, not "play it again, Sam". The technology has diluted musical skills. Without a computer, many acts can't play. |
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Jun 30, 2014 9:27:51 GMT -6
My argument is that artists who need their careers to be cash flow positive really can't afford not to record old school. A "good enough" attitude doesn't produce financially successful recordings in my experience, just great demos. Easy access to music has really raised the bar.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Jun 30, 2014 9:34:43 GMT -6
Jim, I recorded some of our friend Stevie's early one man band productions in Detroit. They were amazing but only because he was miming the very best player for the part dead or alive and competing with ensemble recordings. There aren't very many Stevie Wonders and there is no longer the competition. Stevie was never kidding himself about the difference the way so many people are today.
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Post by kevinnyc on Jun 30, 2014 9:55:52 GMT -6
I too lament the state of affairs but other than turning back the hands of time what is the solution to what has become the norm?
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Post by tonycamphd on Jun 30, 2014 10:14:12 GMT -6
Sadly, largely only those who do not need their studios to be cash flow positive can afford the old school, large live room studios anymore. Wish it were different but that's the reality. unbeknownst to the people who make them, the reality is also that most recordings are not very good today, pick your reasons why. |
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Jun 30, 2014 10:21:22 GMT -6
The norm is people not considering new recordings worth owning! I attribute a lot of this to a massive decline in emotional quality. Sure there are still lowest common denominator "competent" hits like there've always been but there could be so much more if young artists were willing to take chances the way they once needed to. Somebody undoubtedly will figure this out but meanwhile we're in a massive race to the bottom.
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Post by kevinnyc on Jun 30, 2014 10:27:58 GMT -6
Couldn't agree more....
Though I can't see a way to overcome the trend other than to continue to do my thing, however non-commercial it may be and whether or not anyone else cares....
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Post by tonycamphd on Jun 30, 2014 10:28:02 GMT -6
I too lament the state of affairs but other than turning back the hands of time what is the solution to what has become the norm? imo there is no solution, we're too far down the rabbit hole, people are too dumb to know the diff these days, i know that sounds cynical, but videos of kitty's and puppies, kardashians and housewives rule the day, when you're driving, glance at other people when they drive, everyones looking at their cell phone and texting....while they're driving! it's about the single dumbest thing a human can do, proven to cause death! Depth and thoughtfulness have NOTHING to do with our culture anymore, superficial narcissism festers ubiquitous, it's a cultural personality disorder IMV, and losing our positive historical cultural values is just the beginning of this movie. have a nice day  lol |
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Post by kevinnyc on Jun 30, 2014 10:30:43 GMT -6
I take solace in my personal enjoyment in bucking that system whenever possible... |
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Post by Ward on Jun 30, 2014 10:47:10 GMT -6
I think I'm down to 4 to 6 artists/groups a year who really want to make great music. Otherwise, a lot of crap that takes the joy out of the music.
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lol