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Post by Quint on Apr 7, 2023 12:16:45 GMT -6
Anybody heard of or are using Danmark monitor stands? vintageking.com/danmark-xlnt-j2-1644-pairThey seem nearly identical to Sound Anchors, so much so that it almost comes off as some sort of "ex partner left after a disagreement and has started their own company" kind of thing. Anyway, they are a few $100 cheaper than Sound Anchors, and unless there is some demonstrable deficiency in their construction, I'd be interested in them. |
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Post by ericn on Apr 7, 2023 12:42:10 GMT -6
There is no genius to Soundanchors, Hell I would still check with my local welding shop, because ask JK the shipping kills you !
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Post by Quint on Apr 7, 2023 13:35:16 GMT -6
There is no genius to Soundanchors, Hell I would still check with my local welding shop, because ask JK the shipping kills you ! I hear you, but I don't have time to deal with all of that right now. I just want a finished product to show up at my door. I've mostly done all the DIY studio stuff I care to do for a while. |
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Post by notneeson on Apr 7, 2023 14:05:03 GMT -6
So what are we looking for in monitor stands? A high degree of mass and rigidity? Steel better than wood?
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Post by ericn on Apr 7, 2023 17:21:20 GMT -6
There is no genius to Soundanchors, Hell I would still check with my local welding shop, because ask JK the shipping kills you ! I hear you, but I don't have time to deal with all of that right now. I just want a finished product to show up at my door. I've mostly done all the DIY studio stuff I care to do for a while. Pretty easy draw a design in Sketchup and take it to a welder. |
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Post by ericn on Apr 7, 2023 17:22:45 GMT -6
So what are we looking for in monitor stands? A high degree of mass and rigidity? Steel better than wood? If you fill with sand, the advantage of steel is size vs rigidity and no worries about termites. |
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Post by Quint on Apr 7, 2023 18:52:39 GMT -6
I hear you, but I don't have time to deal with all of that right now. I just want a finished product to show up at my door. I've mostly done all the DIY studio stuff I care to do for a while. Pretty easy draw a design in Sketchup and take it to a welder. Yeah, but I'm not even looking for "pretty easy" right now. I'm looking for "already done". I've done a ton of DIY over the years, but I'm just kind of full up right now. I don't want any other DIY on my plate for the foreseeable future. |
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Post by ericn on Apr 7, 2023 19:05:07 GMT -6
Pretty easy draw a design in Sketchup and take it to a welder. Yeah, but I'm not even looking for "pretty easy" right now. I'm looking for "already done". I've done a ton of DIY over the years, but I'm just kind of full up right now. I don't want any other DIY on my plate for the foreseeable future. I get it, and if there delivery time is decent go with the new guy, Sound Anchors are built to order, so if the dealer doesn’t have stock it can be a while. |
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Post by Quint on Apr 7, 2023 19:16:32 GMT -6
Yeah, but I'm not even looking for "pretty easy" right now. I'm looking for "already done". I've done a ton of DIY over the years, but I'm just kind of full up right now. I don't want any other DIY on my plate for the foreseeable future. I get it, and if there delivery time is decent go with the new guy, Sound Anchors are built to order, so if the dealer doesn’t have stock it can be a while. Vintage King has them both in stock, so it really just comes down to whether or not anyone gives me any negative (or positive) reviews of the Danmark. I know the SAs are solid, but the Danmark are an unknown. That said, they look damn near identical, so unless the Danmark is made with smaller gauge steel or something, it's hard for me to feel like there'd be much of a difference. I imagine they're both filled with sand. They have the exact same dimensions for all parts. They both use a 1/4" thick piece of aluminum for the speaker platform. They both come with Sorbothane pads to rest the monitor on. Very, very similar. |
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Post by chipbuttie on Apr 7, 2023 21:24:17 GMT -6
The only difference I see is the Danmarks have the vertical post bolted on to the base where as on the sound anchors it’s welded, whether this makes any real world difference in terms of rigidity or resonance I’m not sure. If there is a difference it’s probably minimal, they both look good.
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Post by Quint on Apr 7, 2023 23:13:45 GMT -6
The only difference I see is the Danmarks have the vertical post bolted on to the base where as on the sound anchors it’s welded, whether this makes any real world difference in terms of rigidity or resonance I’m not sure. If there is a difference it’s probably minimal, they both look good. The SAs bolt the vertical posts onto the base too. It's bolted on in a slightly different way, but they're definitely bolted on, not welded. |
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Post by indiehouse on Apr 8, 2023 5:58:33 GMT -6
Doesn’t say that they are filled? The SA’s are filled. Wonder what the weight difference is.
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Post by drbill on Apr 8, 2023 9:27:04 GMT -6
For whatever it's worth - my Sound Anchors are DEFINITELY welded on the base. And they did not come filled with anything. I filled them with sand after I got them. I've had them for quite a few years though.
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Post by Quint on Apr 8, 2023 9:47:56 GMT -6
For whatever it's worth - my Sound Anchors are DEFINITELY welded on the base. And they did not come filled with anything. I filled them with sand after I got them. I've had them for quite a few years though. That's interesting, because the current product description for the SAs indicates that they are filled, though they have some blah blah blah about proprietary this and that, even though it's just sand, as far as I'm aware. Which, I don't understand why they wouldn't just continue to make them user fillable, just as they had before? It costs a lot to ship sand, and that's not something that is out of the realm of the typical user to do when they get them, just as you did. That's also interesting that yours are welded. The video I posted pretty clearly shows that you assemble the upright pillars and base, so I wonder if they went this route at some point because it's easier to ship if the base isn't sticking out from the pillars at a 90 degree angle. I bet they had enough returns from the base getting bent to make a design change. The instruction manual below clearly shows that you bolt it together now. So a design change was made at some point. www.soundanchors.com/s/ADJ1-ADJ2-Instructions-4.pdfwww.soundanchors.com/s/ADJ2-Specification-Sheet.PDF |
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Post by Quint on Apr 8, 2023 10:10:12 GMT -6
Doesn’t say that they are filled? The SA’s are filled. Wonder what the weight difference is. If you look at the Pro Audio LA site for these Danmark stand, it does indicate that they are filled. |
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Post by indiehouse on Apr 8, 2023 10:33:52 GMT -6
My SA’s shipped pre-filled. And I had to assemble the bases.
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Post by ericn on Apr 8, 2023 10:46:17 GMT -6
For whatever it's worth - my Sound Anchors are DEFINITELY welded on the base. And they did not come filled with anything. I filled them with sand after I got them. I've had them for quite a few years though. That's interesting, because the current product description for the SAs indicates that they are filled, though they have some blah blah blah about proprietary this and that, even though it's just sand, as far as I'm aware. Which, I don't understand why they wouldn't just continue to make them user fillable, just as they had before? It costs a lot to ship sand, and that's not something that is out of the realm of the typical user to do when they get them, just as you did. That's also interesting that yours are welded. The video I posted pretty clearly shows that you assemble the upright pillars and base, so I wonder if they went this route at some point because it's easier to ship if the base isn't sticking out from the pillars at a 90 degree angle. I bet they had enough returns from the base getting bent to make a design change. The instruction manual below clearly shows that you bolt it together now. So a design change was made at some point. www.soundanchors.com/s/ADJ1-ADJ2-Instructions-4.pdfBecause people are idiots? Seriously it makes sense if you discount the cost of shipping, people tend to buy dirty cheap sand full of bugs moisture and crap vs more expensive clean sand. |
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Post by christopher on Apr 8, 2023 10:57:32 GMT -6
I can’t imagine a competitor in this space dropping the ball so bad to make them not work.
Since some DIY was mentioned, are there downsides to stacking some pavers from Lowes, wrapping them with a nice exterior and top? Seems like I could save 90% while possibly looking cooler.. or am I missing something?
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Post by Tbone81 on Apr 8, 2023 11:19:58 GMT -6
I can’t imagine a competitor in this space dropping the ball so bad to make them not work. Since some DIY was mentioned, are there downsides to stacking some pavers from Lowes, wrapping them with a nice exterior and top? Seems like I could save 90% while possibly looking cooler.. or am I missing something? Thats essentially what I did. Pavers were a little too fancy for me so i went with good ol’fashion cinder blocks!  They work great and are surprisingly steady even though they just sit on top each other freely. The only problem is they’re heavier than shit. You gotta make sure you have them setup in the perfect position because once they’re setup you’re not going to want to move them. Also, hauling them from the back of my truck, up stairs into my 2nd floor studio was literally back breaking lol. |
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Post by Quint on Apr 8, 2023 11:23:33 GMT -6
That's interesting, because the current product description for the SAs indicates that they are filled, though they have some blah blah blah about proprietary this and that, even though it's just sand, as far as I'm aware. Which, I don't understand why they wouldn't just continue to make them user fillable, just as they had before? It costs a lot to ship sand, and that's not something that is out of the realm of the typical user to do when they get them, just as you did. That's also interesting that yours are welded. The video I posted pretty clearly shows that you assemble the upright pillars and base, so I wonder if they went this route at some point because it's easier to ship if the base isn't sticking out from the pillars at a 90 degree angle. I bet they had enough returns from the base getting bent to make a design change. The instruction manual below clearly shows that you bolt it together now. So a design change was made at some point. www.soundanchors.com/s/ADJ1-ADJ2-Instructions-4.pdfBecause people are idiots? Seriously it makes sense if you discount the cost of shipping, people tend to buy dirty cheap sand full of bugs moisture and crap vs more expensive clean sand. Yeah, RSPE had the SAs for about $200 cheaper than what I could get them for at VK, but then RSPE quoted me $250! for shipping, so once you considered that VK has free shipping, VK actually came out a little cheaper. I would happily be willing to pour some sand into my stands if it knocked $100 or more off the shipping cost. |
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Post by Quint on Apr 8, 2023 11:29:01 GMT -6
I can’t imagine a competitor in this space dropping the ball so bad to make them not work. Since some DIY was mentioned, are there downsides to stacking some pavers from Lowes, wrapping them with a nice exterior and top? Seems like I could save 90% while possibly looking cooler.. or am I missing something? Thats essentially what I did. Pavers were a little too fancy for me so i went with good ol’fashion cinder blocks! They work great and are surprisingly steady even though they just sit on top each other freely. The only problem is they’re heavier than shit. You gotta make sure you have them setup in the perfect position because once they’re setup you’re not going to want to move them. Also, hauling them from the back of my truck, up stairs into my 2nd floor studio was literally back breaking lol. Yeah, that's why I want SA type stands. If I've gotta move a pile of cinder blocks around multiple times until I find the right position, I'm gonna end up just not doing it because it's too much trouble. At least with these stands, I can move the whole thing in one motion. Speaking of cinder blocks, Colt whatever his name is posted a video a while back and his testing seemed to indicate that cinder blocks didn't perform as well as people think they do, if his video is to be believed. I had a bit of skepticism that this video was performed in a fully scientifically rigorous manner, but those were the results from the video anyway. |
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Post by ericn on Apr 8, 2023 11:33:40 GMT -6
I can’t imagine a competitor in this space dropping the ball so bad to make them not work. Since some DIY was mentioned, are there downsides to stacking some pavers from Lowes, wrapping them with a nice exterior and top? Seems like I could save 90% while possibly looking cooler.. or am I missing something? The advantage of a sound Anchor open frame vs pavers stacked is you are extending the Baffle and will some what change LF performance with large pavers. |
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Post by Quint on Apr 8, 2023 12:31:19 GMT -6
I can’t imagine a competitor in this space dropping the ball so bad to make them not work. Since some DIY was mentioned, are there downsides to stacking some pavers from Lowes, wrapping them with a nice exterior and top? Seems like I could save 90% while possibly looking cooler.. or am I missing something? The advantage of a sound Anchor open frame vs pavers stacked is you are extending the Baffle and will some what change LF performance with large pavers. Yeah, there's that too. |
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Post by 79sg on Apr 8, 2023 12:44:08 GMT -6
I have 2 sets of SA’s, both came prefilled. Both pairs are welded at the bottom, bolt at the top as the video shows.
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Post by Quint on Apr 8, 2023 13:04:02 GMT -6
I have 2 sets of SA’s, both came prefilled. Both pairs are welded at the bottom, bolt at the top as the video shows. The video shows bolting at the bottom too. |
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