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Post by tonycamphd on Jun 24, 2014 19:46:09 GMT -6
generally shielded twisted wire does pretty darn good at blocking stuff out, the double shielded redco looks extremely bullet proof? i'm a mogami guy myself, but if i need more, i'm going the redco route, it's 1/2 the price.
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Post by jimwilliams on Jun 25, 2014 10:22:00 GMT -6
For bays I used to use the Mogami "small console wire". It has a stranded shield with a drain wire, pure copper and easy to work. It's the same stuff used in their snakes.
I stopped using that by 1989. The digital AES/EBU 110 ohm version sounds much more open, something to think about if running more than about ten feet. Users report it sounds much more open with far less top end losses. That also comes in 9 pair snakes.
All of my interconnects are LAN network data cable, AES cable or a 3 braid Kimber copper or pure silver. The Kimber 3 braid has never had an rfi pickup problem.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Jun 25, 2014 13:46:25 GMT -6
I use Belden Media Twist for all balanced connections between gear.
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Post by fishnmusician on Jun 25, 2014 14:53:10 GMT -6
For bays I used to use the Mogami "small console wire". It has a stranded shield with a drain wire, pure copper and easy to work. It's the same stuff used in their snakes. I stopped using that by 1989. The digital AES/EBU 110 ohm version sounds much more open, something to think about if running more than about ten feet. Users report it sounds much more open with far less top end losses. That also comes in 9 pair snakes. All of my interconnects are LAN network data cable, AES cable or a 3 braid Kimber copper or pure silver. The Kimber 3 braid has never had an rfi pickup problem. THe last couple years any new interconnects I buy are AES cable. Analog sounds better to me going thru them, and I dont know why. Btw it's nice to see a cable thread without any flames! |
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Jun 25, 2014 16:43:07 GMT -6
Why is lots lower capacitance.
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Post by svart on Jun 25, 2014 17:24:19 GMT -6
Why is lots lower capacitance. Lower series impedance too. |
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Post by tonycamphd on Jun 25, 2014 20:48:00 GMT -6
For bays I used to use the Mogami "small console wire". It has a stranded shield with a drain wire, pure copper and easy to work. It's the same stuff used in their snakes. I stopped using that by 1989. The digital AES/EBU 110 ohm version sounds much more open, something to think about if running more than about ten feet. Users report it sounds much more open with far less top end losses. That also comes in 9 pair snakes. All of my interconnects are LAN network data cable, AES cable or a 3 braid Kimber copper or pure silver. The Kimber 3 braid has never had an rfi pickup problem. THe last couple years any new interconnects I buy are AES cable. Analog sounds better to me going thru them, and I dont know why. Btw it's nice to see a cable thread without any flames! can you recommend a good source for purchase? Thanx T |
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Jun 25, 2014 20:57:49 GMT -6
Redco!
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Post by tonycamphd on Jun 25, 2014 21:26:26 GMT -6
Thanx Bob, i meant "brand" for purchase 8/ Do you really think using the aes 110 ohm cable can make a diff on normal routing cables? It's really not that expensive if it gives me a better end result. |
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Jun 25, 2014 21:28:36 GMT -6
Belden is very good. I'd look at the Redco and Markertek sites.
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Post by fishnmusician on Jun 26, 2014 2:08:10 GMT -6
I havent tried AES cable for a mic yet. I dont have one long enough. I guess plugging 2 or 3 together would give me an idea how aes cable works for a mic cable?
Just looked at Redco site and the prices for aes raw cable and also custom built cables seems very good.
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Post by jimwilliams on Jun 26, 2014 10:27:00 GMT -6
Try a run of General Cable 8014 or Belden 9182 LAN network cable for a microphone cable. 22 awg, FEP teflon design, 8 pf per foot capacitance and 150 ohm impedance, perfect for a mic. More open sounding than any AES cable I've heard.
I brought some runs up to Ray Kimber's factory and it sounded very good next to his $$$ AGSS pure silver 3 braid cable. The difference was the noise floor, all that background grunge we are all are conditioned to hear disappears, almost like a noise gate is applied, but you hear everything including low level details that are absorbed by lesser cables. Ray's stuff is so good, many would not be comfortable with all the extra sonic information it reveals. Most would not be comfortable with the price either.
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Post by tonycamphd on Jun 26, 2014 10:49:12 GMT -6
jimwilliams , i met your wife at the supermarket the other day by chance, super nice, what a totally cool lady you got there, she told me her hubby was a musician, i asked "what's his name?", she said Jim Williams...do you know him?.., i said do i know him! blah blah blah blah lol!
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Post by tonycamphd on Jun 26, 2014 11:10:09 GMT -6
Try a run of General Cable 8014 or Belden 9182 LAN network cable for a microphone cable. 22 awg, FEP teflon design, 8 pf per foot capacitance and 150 ohm impedance, perfect for a mic. More open sounding than any AES cable I've heard. I brought some runs up to Ray Kimber's factory and it sounded very good next to his $$$ AGSS pure silver 3 braid cable. The difference was the noise floor, all that background grunge we are all are conditioned to hear disappears, almost like a noise gate is applied, but you hear everything including low level details that are absorbed by lesser cables. Ray's stuff is so good, many would not be comfortable with all the extra sonic information it reveals. Most would not be comfortable with the price either. jim, i notice this only comes in spools? if you have a spool, would you be into selling me some lengths of this? Thanx T |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jun 26, 2014 12:14:29 GMT -6
jimwilliams , i met your wife at the supermarket the other day by chance AKA scanning the isles trying to pick up babes and came across a married one?  |
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Post by mulmany on Jun 26, 2014 16:36:51 GMT -6
Try a run of General Cable 8014 or Belden 9182 LAN network cable for a microphone cable. 22 awg, FEP teflon design, 8 pf per foot capacitance and 150 ohm impedance, perfect for a mic. More open sounding than any AES cable I've heard. I brought some runs up to Ray Kimber's factory and it sounded very good next to his $$$ AGSS pure silver 3 braid cable. The difference was the noise floor, all that background grunge we are all are conditioned to hear disappears, almost like a noise gate is applied, but you hear everything including low level details that are absorbed by lesser cables. Ray's stuff is so good, many would not be comfortable with all the extra sonic information it reveals. Most would not be comfortable with the price either. , is that Belden part number correct. This is 2 conductor, foil shield, with a fhdpe insulation? Are you using it for everything? |
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 26, 2014 17:11:15 GMT -6
jimwilliams , i met your wife at the supermarket the other day by chance AKA scanning the isles trying to pick up babes and came across a married one? Man I'd be more concerned about confirming her resistance seriously I am getting a bit lost in all of this. I do have a patchbay and would like to make some cables from the patchbay to my HW and for the actual patching, so what is the consensus here ? |
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Post by ericn on Jun 30, 2014 17:24:58 GMT -6
OK I retired from one of there competitors, but I still buy from Redco! They always have stock and even with best friend prices they are always competitive !
The Dirt Cheap Mogami instal AES/EBU (3159) is what I use for everything but Mic cables, for that Canare Starquad for the color choices durability and flexibility !
As far as Switchcraft VS Neutrik , This is a House of Neutrik !
One thing to remember is that there is no true XLR standard for the size of pins so one brand may not like another !
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Post by svart on Jun 30, 2014 19:50:08 GMT -6
OK I retired from one of there competitors, but I still buy from Redco! They always have stock and even with best friend prices they are always competitive ! The Dirt Cheap Mogami instal AES/EBU (3159) is what I use for everything but Mic cables, for that Canare Starquad for the color choices durability and flexibility ! As far as Switchcraft VS Neutrik , This is a House of Neutrik ! One thing to remember is that there is no true XLR standard for the size of pins so one brand may not like another ! Good info! Thanks! (this is also a house of Neutrik) |
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Post by lee on Oct 26, 2023 11:18:28 GMT -6
Resurrecting this zombie thread. I'm looking for bulk mic cable. Mogami has come down somewhat from the insane pandemic price increases. Are we still feeling good about the Redco product? It's significantly cheaper still. Mogami W2549 is about 90 cents a foot (less if you look around, or buy lots). I hear Sommer cable is pretty good, but I can't figure out their product line at all. Which one is their 2549 equivalent? Canare Star Quad is still good of course. Any other recommendations? I'm just looking to make a bunch of mic cables for low-traffic studio use and can't go premium, just a cable with dignity.
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Post by mike on Oct 26, 2023 11:26:04 GMT -6
Resurrecting this zombie thread. I'm looking for bulk mic cable. Mogami has come down somewhat from the insane pandemic price increases. Are we still feeling good about the Redco product? It's significantly cheaper still. Mogami W2549 is about 90 cents a foot (less if you look around, or buy lots). I hear Sommer cable is pretty good, but I can't figure out their product line at all. Which one is their 2549 equivalent? Canare Star Quad is still good of course. Any other recommendations? I'm just looking to make a bunch of mic cables for low-traffic studio use and can't go premium, just a cable with dignity. You may already be aware, but since you used the words Zombie and Mogami in your post it reminded me of Zen Pro's choose your own cable, length and connector at a price less than stock Mogami. www.zenproaudio.com/zombie-cable-microphone |
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Post by lee on Oct 26, 2023 11:28:11 GMT -6
Resurrecting this zombie thread. I'm looking for bulk mic cable. Mogami has come down somewhat from the insane pandemic price increases. Are we still feeling good about the Redco product? It's significantly cheaper still. Mogami W2549 is about 90 cents a foot (less if you look around, or buy lots). I hear Sommer cable is pretty good, but I can't figure out their product line at all. Which one is their 2549 equivalent? Canare Star Quad is still good of course. Any other recommendations? I'm just looking to make a bunch of mic cables for low-traffic studio use and can't go premium, just a cable with dignity. You may already be aware, but since you used the words Zombie and Mogami in your post it reminded me of Zen Pro's choose your own cable, length and connector at a price less than Mogami. www.zenproaudio.com/zombie-cable-microphoneSee what I did there? It must have been on my subconscious. I'll check it out, thank you. I do like to make them myself, but this could be a good option if I can get over myself. |
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Post by recordingengineer on Oct 26, 2023 11:30:44 GMT -6
I’m all about Canare L-2T2S. Rolls and feels great!
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Post by lee on Oct 26, 2023 11:58:27 GMT -6
I’m all about Canare L-2T2S. Rolls and feels great! Good price, good option. |
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Post by ericn on Oct 26, 2023 12:29:14 GMT -6
For Mic cable Canare L4-e6s all the way, Nothing is as flexible or has a better Shield from RF or EMI. By the foot Markertek has the best price.
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