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Post by copperx on Feb 21, 2023 14:33:58 GMT -6
For those of you who have used the Missing Link, can you help me understand something?
The copy on CAPI's site states that the output is always at unity gain, so if I understand correctly, does that mean that if I push the fader knob up, saturation increases but the output stays at the same level?
I want to use the ML before my channel strip as an insert to add a bit of transformer/opamp tone to some tracks. Right now I'm using an 1073 clone on line mode for the same purpose, but I would put the ML at the beginning of the chain, then EQ, compressor, and finally the 1073 clone. Does it sound like a good idea?
I've heard the VP28 has a bit more character (plus it's an extra preamp), but CAPI has been out of stock for a long time, so I think I'm going for the ML. The filters seem cool, too.
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Post by gwlee7 on Feb 21, 2023 15:38:36 GMT -6
I have recently acquired a pair but don’t have much experience with them other than to say that I like them a lot. Bat Lanyard can tell you way more about them as I believe a pair lives on his tracking chains. |
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Feb 21, 2023 22:28:19 GMT -6
I have recently acquired a pair but don’t have much experience with them other than to say that I like them a lot. Bat Lanyard can tell you way more about them as I believe a pair lives on his tracking chains. The pair does live there and they are the last thing in the chain going into converters (only tracking two channels max at the same time in my setup). In my experience it's a balance between the trim and the fader. I'd recommend tweaking both at the same time if you have live signal going through them. For the filters, I kinda mess with them to see if they're helpful but usually, they're off to allow ITB choices. Just depends though. Maybe reach out to CAPI on the technicals on the output stage unity. I'm just more of a feel guy that doesn't understand a lot of what I'm using, honestly. I just try to get it to sound good and for me they have a tracking-through-console thing going on that I liked immediately and never looked back to think about. |
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Feb 21, 2023 22:37:51 GMT -6
And gwlee7 please report back on how you're putting them to use in your setup! |
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Post by Blackdawg on Feb 23, 2023 0:01:09 GMT -6
For those of you who have used the Missing Link, can you help me understand something? The copy on CAPI's site states that the output is always at unity gain, so if I understand correctly, does that mean that if I push the fader knob up, saturation increases but the output stays at the same level? I want to use the ML before my channel strip as an insert to add a bit of transformer/opamp tone to some tracks. Right now I'm using an 1073 clone on line mode for the same purpose, but I would put the ML at the beginning of the chain, then EQ, compressor, and finally the 1073 clone. Does it sound like a good idea? I've heard the VP28 has a bit more character (plus it's an extra preamp), but CAPI has been out of stock for a long time, so I think I'm going for the ML. The filters seem cool, too. No. If you turn down the fader, the output turns down. It doesn't not have auto make up gain. It's just a line level device. And doesn't sound like a bad idea. The filters are cool and handy. The real use is to use it like...well a fader. So you can push something analog, then knock it back down a bit so it's not clipping your converters. You can push hot into it and hit the input hard. But thats why the VP28 is "cooler" since you can just boost the input gain and attenuate the fader for saturation. I have a lot of the VP528's. They are cool. Not gushing with tone but do add a nice thing without getting in the way. |
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Post by copperx on Feb 23, 2023 2:36:25 GMT -6
For those of you who have used the Missing Link, can you help me understand something? The copy on CAPI's site states that the output is always at unity gain, so if I understand correctly, does that mean that if I push the fader knob up, saturation increases but the output stays at the same level? I want to use the ML before my channel strip as an insert to add a bit of transformer/opamp tone to some tracks. Right now I'm using an 1073 clone on line mode for the same purpose, but I would put the ML at the beginning of the chain, then EQ, compressor, and finally the 1073 clone. Does it sound like a good idea? I've heard the VP28 has a bit more character (plus it's an extra preamp), but CAPI has been out of stock for a long time, so I think I'm going for the ML. The filters seem cool, too. No. If you turn down the fader, the output turns down. It doesn't not have auto make up gain. It's just a line level device. And doesn't sound like a bad idea. The filters are cool and handy. The real use is to use it like...well a fader. So you can push something analog, then knock it back down a bit so it's not clipping your converters. You can push hot into it and hit the input hard. But thats why the VP28 is "cooler" since you can just boost the input gain and attenuate the fader for saturation. I have a lot of the VP528's. They are cool. Not gushing with tone but do add a nice thing without getting in the way. Thanks! So um, I fail then to see the appeal of the missing link (except for the filters and the beautiful fader switch). It seems the VP28 has more tone, can be saturated more easily, is cheaper, easier to build, and can also be used as a preamp! Am I missing something? I wonder whether the console style circuitry adds something that the VP28 doesn't. Does the missing link "compress" a bit like the VP28? The missing link is in stock, so it has that going for it. |
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Post by drbill on Feb 23, 2023 9:47:19 GMT -6
No. If you turn down the fader, the output turns down. It doesn't not have auto make up gain. It's just a line level device. And doesn't sound like a bad idea. The filters are cool and handy. The real use is to use it like...well a fader. So you can push something analog, then knock it back down a bit so it's not clipping your converters. You can push hot into it and hit the input hard. But thats why the VP28 is "cooler" since you can just boost the input gain and attenuate the fader for saturation. I have a lot of the VP528's. They are cool. Not gushing with tone but do add a nice thing without getting in the way. Thanks! So um, I fail then to see the appeal of the missing link (except for the filters and the beautiful fader switch). It seems the VP28 has more tone, can be saturated more easily, is cheaper, easier to build, and can also be used as a preamp! Am I missing something? I wonder whether the console style circuitry adds something that the VP28 doesn't. Does the missing link "compress" a bit like the VP28? The missing link is in stock, so it has that going for it. They are of course two different tools with two different uses. Do not sleep on the missing links. IMO, they are wonderful filters, and add a very nice analog vibe to the signal. I use and have both. If I could have only one or the other, it just might be the missing link. |
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Post by copperx on Feb 23, 2023 12:42:39 GMT -6
They are of course two different tools with two different uses. Do not sleep on the missing links. IMO, they are wonderful filters, and add a very nice analog vibe to the signal. I use and have both. If I could have only one or the other, it just might be the missing link. Ohh, that's interesting! Why would you pick them over the VP28, if I may ask? Because of the tone? I remember that I read a comment of yours on the purple forum saying that you used the low pass filters when tracking to soften the high end, to make mixing ITB easier. But I'm not sure if I'm recalling correctly. I think it was an older post, before the Silver Bullet was born. I ask because this was my setup as an insert: D/A -> 1073 -> eq -> compressor -> D/A Surprisingly, the 1073 didn't sound good there. I thought it was a gain staging problem, but I tried everything to no avail. I then went D/A -> eq -> compressor -> 1073 -> A/D And it sounds really, really sweet. What got me thinking was a comment of yours that stated (paraphrasing) that "API into Neve is always a good idea," and obviously I got GAS and now I want MORE tone. Here's how I would use the missing link/VP28: D/A -> eq -> compressor -> ML -> 1073 -> A/D The filters might make more sense at the beginning of the chain, but my experience with the 1073 at the beginning was not good. Would this be a good idea? |
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Post by drbill on Feb 23, 2023 13:45:47 GMT -6
They are of course two different tools with two different uses. Do not sleep on the missing links. IMO, they are wonderful filters, and add a very nice analog vibe to the signal. I use and have both. If I could have only one or the other, it just might be the missing link. Ohh, that's interesting! Why would you pick them over the VP28, if I may ask? Because of the tone? I remember that I read a comment of yours on the purple forum saying that you used the low pass filters when tracking to soften the high end, to make mixing ITB easier. But I'm not sure if I'm recalling correctly. I think it was an older post, before the Silver Bullet was born. I ask because this was my setup as an insert: D/A -> 1073 -> eq -> compressor -> D/A Surprisingly, the 1073 didn't sound good there. I thought it was a gain staging problem, but I tried everything to no avail. I then went D/A -> eq -> compressor -> 1073 -> A/D And it sounds really, really sweet. What got me thinking was a comment of yours that stated (paraphrasing) that "API into Neve is always a good idea," and obviously I got GAS and now I want MORE tone. Here's how I would use the missing link/VP28: D/A -> eq -> compressor -> ML -> 1073 -> A/D The filters might make more sense at the beginning of the chain, but my experience with the 1073 at the beginning was not good. Would this be a good idea? Yup. Re: vp28 vs ML - Tone and dimensionality. I love the ML there. I don't want to disparage the vp-28's, I just like the missing link better. The vp-28's can probably drive into the "more obvious" category.... re: your chain order.....I think you just have to try it out and see what works best for your esthetic. My instincts tend to go API into Neve on the Silver Bullets, but there are times, that just the opposite is needed. There are a LOT of guys that like N>A on the SB's although I think the majority tend to go A>N. But yeah, depends on the material and your vision. Re: the LPF - yeah, there's a lot of tracks that respond really well to having some HF rolled off, and done appropriately can really clear out some mix harshness. The Missing Link does it really elegantly. Hope that helps. Good luck! |
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Post by copperx on Feb 23, 2023 14:02:49 GMT -6
Ohh, that's interesting! Why would you pick them over the VP28, if I may ask? Because of the tone? I remember that I read a comment of yours on the purple forum saying that you used the low pass filters when tracking to soften the high end, to make mixing ITB easier. But I'm not sure if I'm recalling correctly. I think it was an older post, before the Silver Bullet was born. I ask because this was my setup as an insert: D/A -> 1073 -> eq -> compressor -> D/A Surprisingly, the 1073 didn't sound good there. I thought it was a gain staging problem, but I tried everything to no avail. I then went D/A -> eq -> compressor -> 1073 -> A/D And it sounds really, really sweet. What got me thinking was a comment of yours that stated (paraphrasing) that "API into Neve is always a good idea," and obviously I got GAS and now I want MORE tone. Here's how I would use the missing link/VP28: D/A -> eq -> compressor -> ML -> 1073 -> A/D The filters might make more sense at the beginning of the chain, but my experience with the 1073 at the beginning was not good. Would this be a good idea? Yup. Re: vp28 vs ML - Tone and dimensionality. I love the ML there. I don't want to disparage the vp-28's, I just like the missing link better. The vp-28's can probably drive into the "more obvious" category.... re: your chain order.....I think you just have to try it out and see what works best for your esthetic. My instincts tend to go API into Neve on the Silver Bullets, but there are times, that just the opposite is needed. There are a LOT of guys that like N>A on the SB's although I think the majority tend to go A>N. But yeah, depends on the material and your vision. Re: the LPF - yeah, there's a lot of tracks that respond really well to having some HF rolled off, and done appropriately can really clear out some mix harshness. The Missing Link does it really elegantly. Hope that helps. Good luck! Well, I hope you get commission because you just sold me on it. Thanks!! |
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Post by gwlee7 on Feb 23, 2023 14:11:14 GMT -6
He did way better than me  You will like them for sure. |
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