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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 16, 2023 7:01:01 GMT -6
Saw a fb quote by Drew stating UA has something for dsp cooking (for Namm?! Let the speculation begin: newer sharcs, different chips, what ?
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Post by Quint on Feb 16, 2023 7:29:15 GMT -6
View AttachmentSaw a fb quote by Drew stating UA has something for dsp cooking (for Namm?! Let the speculation begin: newer sharcs, different chips, what ? That is a screen grab taken from GS. It was a discussion about the very thing you've been taking issue with (bundles/upgrades/pricing). So it sounds like UA is working on something related to bundle upgrade options to appease DSP owners like yourself. Go to the GS page: New UAD Plug-In Bundles Now Available Natively When you buy product Go to post #168
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Post by drumsound on Feb 16, 2023 8:39:48 GMT -6
Drew hinted at something in the UAD forums thread as well.
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 16, 2023 8:58:30 GMT -6
View AttachmentSaw a fb quote by Drew stating UA has something for dsp cooking (for Namm?! Let the speculation begin: newer sharcs, different chips, what ? That is a screen grab taken from GS. It was a discussion about the very thing you've been taking issue with (bundles/upgrades/pricing). So it sounds like UA is working on something related to bundle upgrade options to appease DSP owners like yourself. Go to the GS page: New UAD Plug-In Bundles Now Available Natively When you buy product Go to post #168
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 16, 2023 9:00:51 GMT -6
thx: new dsp technology I expect, remediation: no.
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Post by Quint on Feb 16, 2023 9:12:08 GMT -6
thx: new dsp technology I expect, remediation: no. Did you actually go read the conversation in that thread? Drew seems to be pretty clearly saying that something is coming in response to complaints like the ones you've been making.
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 16, 2023 9:23:46 GMT -6
No, because I was trying to turn the page by starting a new thread: find your language like appease and complaints: tedious.
We disagree, how bout we move on ?
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Post by phantom on Feb 16, 2023 12:21:00 GMT -6
Relax fellas.
Firstly I had the same impression as kcat. I thought Drew was talking about something new coming DSP wise. (And I still kind of think that).
But reading Drew's post in context, he does looks like he's talking about a special binder for DSP user. Which seems kind of boring to allude like that, but anyway.
I don't think UA is going to release UAD3 or even change the Sharcs. What I think they will do is release a new Apollo line with more power than what we have. Like 12 cores or something like that.
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Post by Quint on Feb 16, 2023 12:47:25 GMT -6
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Post by Quint on Feb 16, 2023 12:53:57 GMT -6
It does sound like some kind of "deal" is coming for previous DSP owners (of which I am one). So I certainly won't turn down any offer that may come from UA. I've got nearly most all I would want from UA, so the new bundles don't appeal to me all that much, but we'll see.
As for Apollos, yeah, I think some kind of Apollo with more DSP (maybe even an arm processor) may be coming. One of the complaints about the Apollo in the past has been it's limited routing, so a new fpga, or whatever, may help with that. I think they've probably pushed the sonics as far as they can go in this price bracket and, frankly, the x series sound great, as is, so any improvements are likely to come on the processing side or some other nifty feature we're not thinking of. UA has surprised us before. Who saw Unison coming?
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Post by copperx on Feb 16, 2023 13:11:36 GMT -6
An easy "fix" to deal with underpowered Apollos would be to release units with 2x the power without changing prices. What's the cost of a single Shark chip, after all? Around $20.
Also, get rid of the Apollo solo. Make the Apollo duo the entry level unit.
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Post by phantom on Feb 16, 2023 13:18:06 GMT -6
I'm livid! I have already punched my satellite 2 times!
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Post by phantom on Feb 16, 2023 13:18:41 GMT -6
An easy "fix" to deal with underpowered Apollos would be to release units with 2x the power without changing prices. What's the cost of a single Shark chip, after all? Around $20. Also, get rid of the Apollo solo. Make the Apollo duo the entry level unit. I think that's exactly what is going to happen. A boring solution, but a solution nonetheless.
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Post by Quint on Feb 16, 2023 13:39:38 GMT -6
An easy "fix" to deal with underpowered Apollos would be to release units with 2x the power without changing prices. What's the cost of a single Shark chip, after all? Around $20. Also, get rid of the Apollo solo. Make the Apollo duo the entry level unit. I think that's exactly what is going to happen. A boring solution, but a solution nonetheless. One thing that may indicate we won't get much or any improvements in the onboard Apollo DSP is that, with native being offered now, you won't need as much DSP. When everything had to run on the Apollo DSP, that was one thing, but now with native UADx, and more importantly now with DSP/native switching taking place automatically (for Luna users, of which I am one), there is not as much need for DSP. The six Sharcs in my x16 can totally carry the load of whatever tracks I may have armed at any given moment, and the computer will take care of the rest. So I'm not near as enticed by the idea of feeling like I'll want to upgrade to whatever the next Apollo is if the only real improvement is just extra DSP.
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 16, 2023 13:41:59 GMT -6
That wouldn’t really be a solution…it would make my x6 worth less money in resale. But I have no doubt that’s most likely what will happen. Look - I get it - everything is worth less once it’s been used. It’s just a learning moment to not early adopt and buy any more plugs until they’re on sale.
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 16, 2023 13:43:13 GMT -6
I think that's exactly what is going to happen. A boring solution, but a solution nonetheless. One thing that may indicate we won't get much or any improvements in the onboard Apollo DSP is that, with native being offered now, you won't need as much DSP. When everything had to run on the Apollo DSP, that was one thing, but now with native UADx, and more importantly now with DSP/native switching taking place automatically (for Luna users, of which I am one), there is not as much need for DSP. The six Sharcs in my x16 can totally carry the load of whatever tracks I may have armed at any given moment, and the computer will take care of the rest. So I'm not near as enticed by the idea of feeling like I'll want to upgrade to whatever the next Apollo is if the only real improvement is just extra DSP. I’m sure they’ll throw something in it that I immediately feel like I can’t live without.
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Post by Quint on Feb 16, 2023 13:50:20 GMT -6
One thing that may indicate we won't get much or any improvements in the onboard Apollo DSP is that, with native being offered now, you won't need as much DSP. When everything had to run on the Apollo DSP, that was one thing, but now with native UADx, and more importantly now with DSP/native switching taking place automatically (for Luna users, of which I am one), there is not as much need for DSP. The six Sharcs in my x16 can totally carry the load of whatever tracks I may have armed at any given moment, and the computer will take care of the rest. So I'm not near as enticed by the idea of feeling like I'll want to upgrade to whatever the next Apollo is if the only real improvement is just extra DSP. I’m sure they’ll throw something in it that I immediately feel like I can’t live without. John,
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Post by ericn on Feb 16, 2023 14:02:12 GMT -6
That wouldn’t really be a solution…it would make my x6 worth less money in resale. But I have no doubt that’s most likely what will happen. Look - I get it - everything is worth less once it’s been used. It’s just a learning moment to not early adopt and buy any more plugs until they’re on sale. I was thinking you’re going to get a coupon for x off your next plugin purchase. You know the coupon you were going to get next month anyway but; a little more off, a nice letter thanking you for your loyalty and a tease of what’s coming, it won’t say coupon it will be called a “loyalty reward “. Nah I’m not Jaded at all.
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 16, 2023 14:17:33 GMT -6
An easy "fix" to deal with underpowered Apollos would be to release units with 2x the power without changing prices. What's the cost of a single Shark chip, after all? Around $20. Also, get rid of the Apollo solo. Make the Apollo duo the entry level unit. But, quint is right there were fpga issues and psu issues related to using more powerful or more sharc chips. X did something about fpga bottlenecks bit I have never seen any data about that improvement. So, agreed a new apollo is coming, dsp will have something new and the whole apollo may be refreshed as well, different converters, better headphone amps etc., wish they’d go back to sf I/o.
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Post by schmalzy on Feb 16, 2023 15:01:53 GMT -6
...and I'll be sitting here waiting for the announcement and hoping people decide they need to get into a new interface and out of their perfectly good in-use ApolloX (hell, even a blackface Apollo 16).
I just don't care about the UAD processing much...but it's been a rock solid interface for me after doing all of my own troubleshooting and tech support and research (no thanks to UA for putting their hands up and saying "we don't know but it's someone else's fault probably").
If anyone wants to get rid of their Apollo, I'm looking for anything blackfaced or newer with 8 or more channels at a decent price!
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 16, 2023 15:54:09 GMT -6
I’d love for a new series to have better converters than my Burls. Save me a lot of money.
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Post by Quint on Feb 16, 2023 16:02:51 GMT -6
I’d love for a new series to have better converters than my Burls. Save me a lot of money. I'd love for UA to do a standalone DSP box with no conversion or analog I/o, similar to an HDX card, but with thunderbolt, and then we could use whatever converters we wanted via AES, adat, or whatever.
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Post by ericn on Feb 16, 2023 17:16:40 GMT -6
I’d love for a new series to have better converters than my Burls. Save me a lot of money. I'd love for UA to do a standalone DSP box with no conversion or analog I/o, similar to an HDX card, but with thunderbolt, and then we could use whatever converters we wanted via AES, adat, or whatever. It exists it’s called a thunderbolt to PCIE chassis, choose your card and I/O
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Post by copperx on Feb 16, 2023 17:25:05 GMT -6
I’d love for a new series to have better converters than my Burls. Save me a lot of money. I'd love for UA to do a standalone DSP box with no conversion or analog I/o, similar to an HDX card, but with thunderbolt, and then we could use whatever converters we wanted via AES, adat, or whatever. Isn't that exactly the idea behind the Satellite line?
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Post by Quint on Feb 16, 2023 17:35:55 GMT -6
I'd love for UA to do a standalone DSP box with no conversion or analog I/o, similar to an HDX card, but with thunderbolt, and then we could use whatever converters we wanted via AES, adat, or whatever. It exists it’s called a thunderbolt to PCIE chassis, choose your card and I/O But that won't work at low latency like the Apollo will. Also, DSP cards have no digital connection for conversion. They only have a TB connection for hooking it up to the computer.
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