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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 5, 2023 20:06:37 GMT -6
Ok - maybe something’s wrong with my tv/surround sound…but what in the actual **** is going on with the live sound mix. Did they put out 500 room mics and that’s all we’re hearing? I do think it’s getting better as the show is going on - but the first several acts were a complete shit show.
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Post by teejay on Feb 5, 2023 20:16:46 GMT -6
Ok - maybe something’s wrong with my tv/surround sound…but what in the actual **** is going on with the live sound mix. Did they put out 500 room mics and that’s all we’re hearing? I do think it’s getting better as the show is going on - but the first several acts were a complete shit show. Maybe they're emulating compressed streaming on cheap earbuds so today's musical audience hears it like they're used to. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 5, 2023 20:19:04 GMT -6
I’m getting blasted on FB for posting my opinion about it. Yes, I realize it’s not easy…but holy shit, it’s “Music’s Biggest Night.” This isn’t brain surgery. Turn the ****ing house down. All I can hear are the echoes.
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Post by Chad on Feb 5, 2023 20:40:03 GMT -6
Chad says, “Oh, the Grammys are still a thing?”
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Post by stratboy on Feb 5, 2023 20:49:21 GMT -6
John, I’m watching and on my TV the sound is okay. The vocals should be more on top, but I have heard far worse, vocals buried, etc.
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Post by ericn on Feb 5, 2023 21:05:37 GMT -6
Not even watching this year.
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Post by geoff738 on Feb 5, 2023 21:25:12 GMT -6
Thé tv sound guy won a Grammy. Not for the tv sound at the Grammys.
Edit, for best immersive album. Whatever that means.
Cheers,
Geoff
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Post by geoff738 on Feb 5, 2023 21:26:21 GMT -6
I always put on a Freddie King record when the Grammys are on. It’s just a thing I do.
Cheers,
Geoff
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Post by chessparov on Feb 5, 2023 21:46:46 GMT -6
Thé tv sound guy won a Grammy. Not for the tv sound at the Grammys. Edit, for best immersive album. Whatever that means. Cheers, Geoff "Best Immersive"? Like "Yellow Submarine Revisited"? Chris |
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Post by aremos on Feb 5, 2023 23:36:53 GMT -6
Turned it on when JohnKenn posted & after awhile, after seeing not one band, just lost interest & turned it off.
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 6, 2023 1:20:28 GMT -6
So watching the replay of the Harry Styles performance on my phone, it’s a lot more discernible. I’m starting to think maybe the problem is with my sound system at home. Unless they did post on what they put out on YouTube.
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Post by sean on Feb 6, 2023 7:43:19 GMT -6
The room sound made most of the performances pretty unintelligible for me. I wonder if it was being mixed for spatial and the stereo downmix is what was sent to broadcast
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Post by svart on Feb 6, 2023 9:05:51 GMT -6
I never watch awards shows. They're just wank events for industry insiders to pat themselves on the backs and say "look at how awesome we are!".
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Post by drbill on Feb 6, 2023 9:26:48 GMT -6
Chad says, “Oh, the Grammys are still a thing?” 😂 Haha! That's kinda what I was thinking. As we were easing towards it, I just didn't have the interest like I used to..... |
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Post by sean on Feb 6, 2023 9:30:42 GMT -6
The televised award show is very much for entertainment purposes, but I will say that to pre-telecast awards have value for artist in smaller genres. It helps them get higher billing at the festivals, can take them from bars to clubs or clubs to concert halls, and get press opportunities that wouldn’t be available otherwise. And those awards aren’t voted on by “insiders” but by peers.
Also MusicCares is an incredible resource that’s available to all working musicians with financial aid in medical emergencies, help musicians get set up with affordable health insurance, and aid in other things that often times feel impossible for musicians. And if an award show raises awareness to that and generates donations, it has value.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2023 9:59:24 GMT -6
So watching the replay of the Harry Styles performance on my phone, it’s a lot more discernible. I’m starting to think maybe the problem is with my sound system at home. Unless they did post on what they put out on YouTube. If it sounds bad on your amphions, then it is bad. |
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Post by svart on Feb 6, 2023 10:05:56 GMT -6
The televised award show is very much for entertainment purposes, but I will say that to pre-telecast awards have value for artist in smaller genres. It helps them get higher billing at the festivals, can take them from bars to clubs or clubs to concert halls, and get press opportunities that wouldn’t be available otherwise. And those awards aren’t voted on by “insiders” but by peers. Also MusicCares is an incredible resource that’s available to all working musicians with financial aid in medical emergencies, help musicians get set up with affordable health insurance, and aid in other things that often times feel impossible for musicians. And if an award show raises awareness to that and generates donations, it has value. A local producer touts his grammy to get work. He was an assistant to the actual awardee. He still claims that he "won" it to his clients though. I lost a big client to him. Two years later and they still haven't finished their record with him, rather, he hasn't finished their record for them. They're nothing but popularity awards. "Peers" are no less swayed by lobbying than anyone else and if you're a voter, then you're an insider simply by being a gatekeeper. |
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Post by sean on Feb 6, 2023 10:28:28 GMT -6
The televised award show is very much for entertainment purposes, but I will say that to pre-telecast awards have value for artist in smaller genres. It helps them get higher billing at the festivals, can take them from bars to clubs or clubs to concert halls, and get press opportunities that wouldn’t be available otherwise. And those awards aren’t voted on by “insiders” but by peers. Also MusicCares is an incredible resource that’s available to all working musicians with financial aid in medical emergencies, help musicians get set up with affordable health insurance, and aid in other things that often times feel impossible for musicians. And if an award show raises awareness to that and generates donations, it has value. A local producer touts his grammy to get work. He was an assistant to the actual awardee. He still claims that he "won" it to his clients though. I lost a big client to him. Two years later and they still haven't finished their record with him, rather, he hasn't finished their record for them. They're nothing but popularity awards. "Peers" are no less swayed by lobbying than anyone else and if you're a voter, then you're an insider simply by being a gatekeeper. I’ve never had anyone lobbying me for a vote. And it doesn’t require much to be a voting member…12 credits over the course of your career. Those don’t have to be major label credits…just anything that’s available digitally. And I personally don’t vote in the televised events (you only get so many votes to sped across all the categories)…I don’t have any knowledge of most pop music but feel like I can make a well opinioned vote in Americana, folk, bluegrass, roots, country, blues, best engineered record… I’ve lost out on plenty of gigs in my life, had past clients work with other engineers and producers…and there’s nothing wrong with artist and bands wanting to try working with different people and places. But I don’t think of engineering and producing as a contest…those people are my peers and I’d rather be friendly and encourage others because there will be a time they can’t do a gig and they might suggest me, and vice versa. It’s a weird job where you spend a lot of time intimately working with people and then once the project is finish you might never ever see them again. It’s a crazy job in that regard. Sounds like this situation hasn’t worked out for that artist, which sucks. Sometimes bands and artist have the learn hard lessons. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2023 10:41:17 GMT -6
The televised award show is very much for entertainment purposes, but I will say that to pre-telecast awards have value for artist in smaller genres. It helps them get higher billing at the festivals, can take them from bars to clubs or clubs to concert halls, and get press opportunities that wouldn’t be available otherwise. And those awards aren’t voted on by “insiders” but by peers. Also MusicCares is an incredible resource that’s available to all working musicians with financial aid in medical emergencies, help musicians get set up with affordable health insurance, and aid in other things that often times feel impossible for musicians. And if an award show raises awareness to that and generates donations, it has value. A local producer touts his grammy to get work. He was an assistant to the actual awardee. He still claims that he "won" it to his clients though. I lost a big client to him. Two years later and they still haven't finished their record with him, rather, he hasn't finished their record for them. They're nothing but popularity awards. "Peers" are no less swayed by lobbying than anyone else and if you're a voter, then you're an insider simply by being a gatekeeper. Yes and usually reward awfully recorded awful music. Especially in the metal category where no good record has ever won, the grammies and majors are always decades out of touch with reality, and they haven't nominated a good album since 1991 (1916 and Badmotorfinger). |
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Post by mcirish on Feb 6, 2023 11:07:43 GMT -6
I had zero interest in it, to the point that I didn't even know it was on. I must be out of touch... :-)
I think of the Grammy's like I think of the Rock Hall of fame. Neither has any sway in my thinking about what good art is. But then again, the people I like the most rarely get any attention.
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Post by Tbone81 on Feb 6, 2023 11:30:20 GMT -6
Despite all the shit talking I’ll readily admit that Id love to win a Grammy…who wouldn’t?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2023 11:44:12 GMT -6
Despite all the shit talking I’ll readily admit that Id love to win a Grammy…who wouldn’t? you could sell it on ebay for a bottle of liquor |
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Post by teejay on Feb 6, 2023 11:52:55 GMT -6
Despite all the shit talking I’ll readily admit that Id love to win a Grammy…who wouldn’t? you could sell it on ebay for a bottle of liquor The Bourbon thread may well be the place for that. Maybe it could be renamed the "Bourbon Grammy" thread. Perhaps the initial discussion would be; "Which would you rather have? A Grammy, or a lifetime supply of your favorite Bourbon?" |
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Post by EmRR on Feb 6, 2023 11:53:32 GMT -6
I’ve never had anyone lobbying me for a vote. And it doesn’t require much to be a voting member…12 credits over the course of your career. Those don’t have to be major label credits…just anything that’s available digitally. And I personally don’t vote in the televised events (you only get so many votes to sped across all the categories)…I don’t have any knowledge of most pop music but feel like I can make a well opinioned vote in Americana, folk, bluegrass, roots, country, blues, best engineered record… ....and these are the things not known by anyone out in the styx in this decentralized non-organized industry! I figured they needed a big annual fee to be a member and vote....I coulda been voting for 20 years..... ....wait.....indy streaming releases never have correct credits since CDBaby never fills in the 'producer' line, even when artists submit it..... |
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Post by ericn on Feb 6, 2023 12:05:23 GMT -6
I’ve never had anyone lobbying me for a vote. And it doesn’t require much to be a voting member…12 credits over the course of your career. Those don’t have to be major label credits…just anything that’s available digitally. And I personally don’t vote in the televised events (you only get so many votes to sped across all the categories)…I don’t have any knowledge of most pop music but feel like I can make a well opinioned vote in Americana, folk, bluegrass, roots, country, blues, best engineered record… ....and these are the things not known by anyone out in the styx in this decentralized non-organized industry! I figured they needed a big annual fee to be a member and vote....I coulda been voting for 20 years..... ....wait.....indy streaming releases never have correct credits since CDBaby never fills in the 'producer' line, even when artists submit it..... How do you piss off someone in the St Louis Classical community? You remind them that to get all those Grammy’s they had to get everyone in the symphony league to Join the academy. The first years of the Heavy Metal category explained it all, you had a bunch of 90 year olds voting for the only name they recognized. |
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