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Post by copperx on Feb 1, 2023 17:33:06 GMT -6
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Post by teejay on Feb 1, 2023 22:52:24 GMT -6
Considering. Would someone be interested in building one for me? They're pre-built cost adds a fair amount.
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Post by thehightenor on Feb 2, 2023 6:37:39 GMT -6
I’ve yet to be fully convinced by any 500 series tube compressors.
When I think about the size and number of transformers and tubes in my full sized vari mu tube compressors - the high voltages and current needed to get these things hot and really doing their thing ….
I’ve toyed with an IGS LA500 (for space saving reasons) and when I’ve taken a close listen it just does have the gravitas of the 19” rack units.
Still it’s very clever how they fit it all into such a tiny space and the price of 500 series tube compressors is very appealing.
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Post by copperx on Feb 2, 2023 15:23:52 GMT -6
Considering. Would someone be interested in building one for me? They're pre-built cost adds a fair amount. I would, if only to try it out! Let me know if interested. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 2, 2023 15:46:32 GMT -6
By the time you factor in time and shipping is it really cheaper?
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Post by teejay on Feb 2, 2023 16:03:37 GMT -6
By the time you factor in time and shipping is it really cheaper? It's basically $300 USD more assembled. It would all depend on what someone wants to charge for the labor. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 2, 2023 16:08:51 GMT -6
If someone has not built one before, it would certainly be a number of hours. Not something you would want to rush, no fun, throwing the power switch the first time and nothing happens !  ! Have you built and tested any gear ? |
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Post by ericn on Feb 2, 2023 16:18:23 GMT -6
I saw it yesterday and was thinking; interesting maybe someday when I have time mine and board, but I still would like to hear someone else try it first😎.
Who knows, maybe JK will look at the built price think it’s a bargain sell the Sta, buy one and of course decide he needs another Sta😜
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Post by teejay on Feb 2, 2023 17:26:49 GMT -6
If someone has not built one before, it would certainly be a number of hours. Not something you would want to rush, no fun, throwing the power switch the first time and nothing happens ! ! Have you built and tested any gear ? Me? Ha! I can barely change polarity on an XLR cable without melting the wire casing. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 2, 2023 17:53:31 GMT -6
All good, good builders who have built a kit before can be quick .
Did you check if they have a build thread on their website, mighr be someone there who could help?
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Post by plinker on Feb 3, 2023 9:04:57 GMT -6
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Post by keymod on Feb 3, 2023 10:27:02 GMT -6
I'm a Sound Skulptor fan boy, so I will definitely build a pair of these when budget allows.
FWIW, the people that build any kits to re-sell really bug me. They seem to buy up everything before those of us who want to build our own have the chance to get the kits we want. CAPI is the best example of this. No offense to the person on this site who is one of the biggest offenders.
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Post by ericn on Feb 3, 2023 11:07:09 GMT -6
I'm a Sound Skulptor fan boy, so I will definitely build a pair of these when budget allows. FWIW, the people that build any kits to re-sell really bug me. They seem to buy up everything before those of us who want to build our own have the chance to get the kits we want. CAPI is the best example of this. No offense to the person on this site who is one of the biggest offenders. I’m not in complete disagreement but let me point something out, the builders are a big part of the kit companies hitting the quantities that keep the kit prices down. What I’m saying is you have to take the good with the bad. |
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Post by keymod on Feb 3, 2023 11:56:15 GMT -6
I'm a Sound Skulptor fan boy, so I will definitely build a pair of these when budget allows. FWIW, the people that build any kits to re-sell really bug me. They seem to buy up everything before those of us who want to build our own have the chance to get the kits we want. CAPI is the best example of this. No offense to the person on this site who is one of the biggest offenders. I’m not in complete disagreement but let me point something out, the builders are a big part of the kit companies hitting the quantities that keep the kit prices down. What I’m saying is you have to take the good with the bad. That's one way to look at it, but it still bugs me. |
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Post by plinker on Feb 3, 2023 12:02:59 GMT -6
I'm a Sound Skulptor fan boy, so I will definitely build a pair of these when budget allows. FWIW, the people that build any kits to re-sell really bug me. They seem to buy up everything before those of us who want to build our own have the chance to get the kits we want. CAPI is the best example of this. No offense to the person on this site who is one of the biggest offenders. If they were reselling them at the same, or greater, cost. That would bug me too.
However, building and selling at a discount is a service.
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Post by EmRR on Feb 3, 2023 12:16:20 GMT -6
I'm a Sound Skulptor fan boy, so I will definitely build a pair of these when budget allows. FWIW, the people that build any kits to re-sell really bug me. They seem to buy up everything before those of us who want to build our own have the chance to get the kits we want. CAPI is the best example of this. No offense to the person on this site who is one of the biggest offenders. If they were reselling them at the same, or greater, cost. That would bug me too.
Certainly a problem with the AML kits, there's lots for sale at huge markups over what you can buy them prebuilt. OTOH, buying a kit some mystery builder put together is asking for problems, as I've learned multiple times. "Works" and "works correctly" are different, but usually not to the seller. |
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Post by keymod on Feb 3, 2023 13:32:59 GMT -6
I'm a Sound Skulptor fan boy, so I will definitely build a pair of these when budget allows. FWIW, the people that build any kits to re-sell really bug me. They seem to buy up everything before those of us who want to build our own have the chance to get the kits we want. CAPI is the best example of this. No offense to the person on this site who is one of the biggest offenders. If they were reselling them at the same, or greater, cost. That would bug me too.
However, building and selling at a discount is a service.
I think their service should be: " you buy a kit and send it to me, and I'll build it for you" NOT "I'll buy up as many of these kits as I can, and then try to sell them" |
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Post by the other mark williams on Feb 3, 2023 13:39:47 GMT -6
If they were reselling them at the same, or greater, cost. That would bug me too.
However, building and selling at a discount is a service.
I think their service should be: " you buy a kit and send it to me, and I'll build it for you" NOT "I'll buy up as many of these kits as I can, and then try to sell them" I’m glad you’ve been able to clearly state your opinion here. I happen to hold a different opinion on the matter. |
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Post by ericn on Feb 3, 2023 14:50:35 GMT -6
I’m not in complete disagreement but let me point something out, the builders are a big part of the kit companies hitting the quantities that keep the kit prices down. What I’m saying is you have to take the good with the bad. That's one way to look at it, but it still bugs me. Oh I get it, it’s like the guys from Ticketmaster complaining about “ the bots” yeah umm without them how much of a bigger risk would you be taking? That secondary market? Well that’s why I paid less than $30 for Jeff Beck, Fleetwood Mac, Paul Macartney, and Springsteen and Live Nation sold them at face value. The thing with Steiger and company not getting parts has more to do with the fact that they are still tiny to most of their parts suppliers, example I know Siemens uses Grayhill switches in a bunch of products, who do you think gets them first Siemens at least $1mill a year or CAPI? The fact that the builders exist is why Jeff is probably even seeing a trickle. The guy who is truly screwed is the guy who is trying to get a new company off the ground; the rep probably managed to get him a sample for protype at lightning speed, guy designed his product around a Grayhill then found out the switches are 6-12 months out and in reality double that. |
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Post by EmRR on Feb 3, 2023 14:55:03 GMT -6
If they were reselling them at the same, or greater, cost. That would bug me too.
However, building and selling at a discount is a service.
I think their service should be: " you buy a kit and send it to me, and I'll build it for you" NOT "I'll buy up as many of these kits as I can, and then try to sell them" It's not dissimilar to the grind ebay flippers subject themselves too, or really, any kind of scavenger type. The upside being many get tired of it and quit. The downside...there's always another coming on line behind them that hasn't experienced the grind. More of the kit companies could decide to sell prebuilt themselves and shut those people down if they wanted, but then, that changes the liability/warrantee dynamic. |
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Post by Quint on Feb 3, 2023 15:11:03 GMT -6
That's one way to look at it, but it still bugs me. Oh I get it, it’s like the guys from Ticketmaster complaining about “ the bots” yeah umm without them how much of a bigger risk would you be taking? That secondary market? Well that’s why I paid less than $30 for Jeff Beck, Fleetwood Mac, Paul Macartney, and Springsteen and Live Nation sold them at face value. The thing with Steiger and company not getting parts has more to do with the fact that they are still tiny to most of their parts suppliers, example I know Siemens uses Grayhill switches in a bunch of products, who do you think gets them first Siemens at least $1mill a year or CAPI? The fact that the builders exist is why Jeff is probably even seeing a trickle. The guy who is truly screwed is the guy who is trying to get a new company off the ground; the rep probably managed to get him a sample for protype at lightning speed, guy designed his product around a Grayhill then found out the switches are 6-12 months out and in reality double that. Man, don't get me started on Ticketmaster or resellers. Scum of the earth, as far as I'm concerned. The bots are out of control and Ticketmaster just profits from it even more. Not that it's just Ticketmaster doing it. |
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Post by ericn on Feb 3, 2023 15:27:49 GMT -6
Oh I get it, it’s like the guys from Ticketmaster complaining about “ the bots” yeah umm without them how much of a bigger risk would you be taking? That secondary market? Well that’s why I paid less than $30 for Jeff Beck, Fleetwood Mac, Paul Macartney, and Springsteen and Live Nation sold them at face value. The thing with Steiger and company not getting parts has more to do with the fact that they are still tiny to most of their parts suppliers, example I know Siemens uses Grayhill switches in a bunch of products, who do you think gets them first Siemens at least $1mill a year or CAPI? The fact that the builders exist is why Jeff is probably even seeing a trickle. The guy who is truly screwed is the guy who is trying to get a new company off the ground; the rep probably managed to get him a sample for protype at lightning speed, guy designed his product around a Grayhill then found out the switches are 6-12 months out and in reality double that. Man, don't get me started on Ticketmaster or resellers. Scum of the earth, as far as I'm concerned. The bots are out of control and Ticketmaster just profits from it even more. Oh they do, but they hate them because they feel they should have a piece of the profits of the secondary market, they don’t realize secondary market is their protection and players come and go because of the inherent risk as well as the fact Stubhubs numbers are what is going to keep them from an anti trust suite. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 3, 2023 15:30:20 GMT -6
Well, if the company is truly trying to support the diy Community, as opposed to a revenue sideline of a handful of individual builders, it could control the number it sells to any one individual ?
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Post by Quint on Feb 3, 2023 15:36:29 GMT -6
Man, don't get me started on Ticketmaster or resellers. Scum of the earth, as far as I'm concerned. The bots are out of control and Ticketmaster just profits from it even more. Oh they do, but they hate them because they feel they should have a piece of the profits of the secondary market, they don’t realize secondary market is their protection and players come and go because of the inherent risk as well as the fact Stubhubs numbers are what is going to keep them from an anti trust suite. Oh, I think there's some credible evidence that Ticketmaster (and by extension, Live Nation) IS in on the game and IS getting a piece of the of the profits from the secondary market. It may be that Ticketmaster IS the reseller themselves, at least some of the time, under a shell corporation. "Verified Reseller". Seen that? Resellers are just selling on Ticketmaster's website, out in the open, and Ticketmaster gets a cut of that too, of course. I also watched a special on this a while back. It might have been 60 Minutes, but I forget. Anyway, that special went into how Ticketmaster is totally gaming the system. I hate resellers. I hate that all of the tickets are basically purchased by reseller bots before I even get a chance to try to get a ticket and that I then have to buy from a reseller, which makes me want to vomit, on principle. What I hate even more is the idea that Ticketmaster is in on it. The DOJ needs to shut that down. The whole system needs to be blown up. |
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Post by ericn on Feb 3, 2023 16:48:22 GMT -6
Well, if the company is truly trying to support the diy Community, as opposed to a revenue sideline of a handful of individual builders, it could control the number it sells to any one individual ? You could, but in the end you have to pay your bills, plus here is the biggie go ask any DIY Kit designer / seller how man inquiries they get for “ how much to have you build one?”. Having a third party do it means you don’t have to deal with the BS and under value your time. Now with the new IRS Payment service 1099 rules, I’ll bet you see 2 things happen feb of 2024: 1, a bunch of builders drop out 2, those that stay in the game raise their prices. Suddenly the cost of doing what they do will go up. The guys like Sound Skullpture’s build prices will suddenly be justified because they have been calculated with the real cost of doing business. |
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