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Post by indiehouse on Jan 24, 2023 19:48:56 GMT -6
What’s best practices when tracking electric guitars when it comes to effects? Track dry and add ITB? Sometimes I track wet but end up wanting to dial it back later but it’s too late.
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Post by EmRR on Jan 24, 2023 19:52:09 GMT -6
Always wet here except maybe reverb, I usually shoot for the middle on reverb if it's a good spring in a Fender, then I can put the whole thing into a stereo whatever for more. So like that, also depends on whether things need to be stereo.
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Post by notneeson on Jan 24, 2023 20:08:03 GMT -6
For anything remotely shoegaze or psych oriented I always track wet. For my personal stuff I tend to track dry and add effects after, oddly enough.
It can be hard with inexperienced bands in those genres in the studio, but then, they don't remotely sound like themselves if you take their pedals away and I would never do that to an artist.
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Post by drumsound on Jan 24, 2023 20:26:50 GMT -6
If the player uses effects they are tracked. If the player is a plug 'n play type, then it's amp, mic, pre, PT.
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Post by donr on Jan 24, 2023 20:31:24 GMT -6
I like to print FX, especially when the song is going to rely on echo tempos, etc. I just have to be mindful that the FX level will come forward with mix and mastering compression.
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Post by robo on Jan 24, 2023 20:41:47 GMT -6
If it is a spacey part I sometimes track it dry and then add echo/verb ITB so that I can make it stereo, automate, etc.
I’ve also gotten in the habit of tracking a DI track on guitar. Sometimes I reamp it later for a different sound, or sometimes I blend it in for a more exotic tone.
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Post by svart on Jan 24, 2023 20:41:56 GMT -6
I always take 3 things:
1: dry DI.
2: wet DI.
3: amp if we're using one.
That way I can change anything except the player and their guitar.
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Post by RealNoob on Jan 24, 2023 23:59:24 GMT -6
If I had a killer room, it'd be 57 and royer up close, close room and far room. In reality, dry because making my favorite fake rooms can take a couple of trys.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jan 25, 2023 0:33:17 GMT -6
For electric guitar, I never found ITB effects that feel like the effects they're mimicking. As much as I can, I print it the way I want it to sound. On occasion I might add something, a little delay maybe, or an additional reverb.
I always want the amp to sound right because I adjust my playing to what I'm hearing. Re-amping doesn't do it for me because I adjusted my playing for the amp I was using.
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Post by thehightenor on Jan 25, 2023 1:11:11 GMT -6
There's a huge difference between pedals (especially analog) pre amp input and in an amp FX loop let alone added in post.
Having spent a small fortune (to me) on boutique analog FX pedals and my amps having glorious tube driven spring reverb and tremelo
Then I definitely print wet if the pedals/ amp FX are part of the sound.
Sometimes, I'll monitor though a Soundtoys or UAD FX if it;s unique and it'll get added in post.
Sometimes I use pedals at the mix using a couple of re-amp boxes (on more than just guitar)
I love guitar FX :-)
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Post by drbill on Jan 25, 2023 10:50:04 GMT -6
My personal definitive answer : It depends. I'll do things both ways. Depends totally on the guitarist, the track and the vision of what I'm after. You can hit serious dead ends both ways.
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Post by jaba on Jan 25, 2023 18:55:56 GMT -6
I tend to lean wet but there's a big difference in end result between adding after the fact and having the effects push through the same mic as the dry.
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Post by donr on Jan 25, 2023 19:12:38 GMT -6
I tend to lean wet but there's a big difference in end result between adding after the fact and having the effects push through the same mic as the dry. Indeed. Can't think of any reason you'd deny a player whatever is preceding his/her amp jack. Then you can always hedge your bet with something like the Locomotive ZCAR. (which I magically just saw a banner ad for on RGO!) www.locomotiveaudio.com/zcar |
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Post by srb on Jan 25, 2023 20:57:59 GMT -6
For my own personal needs, dry.
But for another guitarist in the studio tracking live with a band, he'll get what he wants, with care taken on time-based effects to make sure nothing squirrely gets captured we can't deal with later.
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Post by Ward on Jan 26, 2023 6:45:15 GMT -6
I track tone only. Guitars amps overdrives boosts wah
Microphones and cabinets.
All effects are better in the mix. Only exception would be spring reverb from an amp and then it’s a hard call on how much to use.
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Post by indiehouse on Jan 26, 2023 8:56:10 GMT -6
I've gone back to tracking through tube amps, but I'm using a Suhr RL IR with some York IR's. I run out of the Suhr into a Zod DI, then into a Zulu to take the edge off the top. I love using pedals and have a very nice collection. It is noticeably different using ITB effects vs using effects in front of the amp.
Frustratingly, I can't take a split out of the Zod, even though it has a thru out. When using that, it destroys my tone.
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Post by Ward on Jan 26, 2023 9:39:56 GMT -6
SNIP Frustratingly, I can't take a split out of the Zod, even though it has a thru out. When using that, it destroys my tone. Interesting. How does it destroy the tone? I haven't tried doing that and am curious. |
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Post by indiehouse on Jan 26, 2023 10:25:53 GMT -6
SNIP Frustratingly, I can't take a split out of the Zod, even though it has a thru out. When using that, it destroys my tone. Interesting. How does it destroy the tone? I haven't tried doing that and am curious. Here’s what Dan said about it: “ The Thru is basically a direct mult (not Buffered) so you are weighing down the input impedance of the main signal. In order for that to not be the issue you would have to use a buffer.” |
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Post by mcirish on Jan 26, 2023 10:58:26 GMT -6
If the sound is integral to the song, I will track with effects and paint myself into a corner. One less thing to think about later. If there is any possibility of wanting to change anything later, I will record dry. lately, I have been recording the amp through a load box so I can change cabinets later. Everything else is cooked in.
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Post by theshea on Jan 26, 2023 11:17:42 GMT -6
Myself: i always record with effects. its the sound i want with carefully choosen guitar, pedals, amp and ampeffect (mostly spring reverb).
when recording others: same. if the guitarist has found „the“ sound. if he is unexperienced/unsecure without effects. but i don‘t like this method. a guitarist should do his homework.
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Post by ericn on Jan 26, 2023 12:05:08 GMT -6
You know me both! I am always trying to get a players real sound, but every time I have taken a split and printed a clean version of that great take where some where down the road everyone wonders if we played around with amp tone could we make it better? Well that simple clean split makes me look like Audio Einstein!
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Post by anders on Jan 27, 2023 15:54:11 GMT -6
In my experience: If you're going to do any editing or timing adjustments to distorted/effected guitar, it is easier to do it on a dry DI signal, and then reamp. The signal can of course be tapped off ahead of the guitar player's preferred tone, and both can be recorded. But the algorithms will have an easier time finding transients, string noises won't trigger so many edit points, edits will be a lot cleaner, and distortion, reverb, etc will tend to cover time stretch artefacts.
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