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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jan 9, 2023 21:25:53 GMT -6
Wanna buy an x4? I’d give you a good price. Not like giving it away price but better than market.
It’s sitting in a drawer waiting for me to get motivated to properly sell it.
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Jan 9, 2023 22:08:20 GMT -6
Used Burl B26
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 9, 2023 22:09:54 GMT -6
And FWIW, I wouldn’t go with Mackie or Presonus. I’d either get a twin or invest into the high-end stuff starting at dangerous or grace or crane song. Yeah. Probably the right route. |
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Post by the other mark williams on Jan 9, 2023 22:15:18 GMT -6
I've heard good stuff about the Heritage units, including the passive one, which from my understanding is *not* just a pot.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 10, 2023 2:10:21 GMT -6
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Post by raddistribution on Jan 10, 2023 8:31:07 GMT -6
I've heard good stuff about the Heritage units, including the passive one, which from my understanding is *not* just a pot. correct, it uses a 24 position switch with resistors matched l/r under .1db in each position. |
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Post by the other mark williams on Jan 10, 2023 9:00:13 GMT -6
I've heard good stuff about the Heritage units, including the passive one, which from my understanding is *not* just a pot. correct, it uses a 24 position switch with resistors matched l/r under .1db in each position. Boom, there you go, Johnkenn. |
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Post by RealNoob on Jan 10, 2023 9:58:22 GMT -6
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Jan 10, 2023 10:15:19 GMT -6
correct, it uses a 24 position switch with resistors matched l/r under .1db in each position. Boom, there you go, Johnkenn . That's the one my bandmate uses. He loves it. |
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Post by matt on Jan 10, 2023 10:25:25 GMT -6
I've owned a Dangerous ST for years and it's great, 100% reliable. However the desk controller is not the smallest one around. If I had to replace it I'd go with a Grace M905. In black, of course.
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Post by Quint on Jan 10, 2023 10:27:04 GMT -6
That's the one my bandmate uses. He loves it. I have the MC2.1, which is basically the same thing in a different form factor. Had this new "flat" model been around when I bought my MC2.1, I would have gotten this new one instead, simply because I think I like the flat form factor better. Regardless, I think, for the price point, Drawmer hit it out of the park with this entire series of monitor controllers. I don't think it would fit in these newer models, but I had considered modding my older MC2.1 to swap the pot for a Goldpoint or something like that. I didn't realize the Heritage had a stepped switch. I'll have to check that one out. Edit: I thought you were talking about the Drawmer, not the Heritage. Edit 2:. Those Heritage controllers, the Baby RAM and the RAM 2000, both look pretty cool, and I do like that they have proper stepped attenuators. |
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Post by Quint on Jan 10, 2023 10:32:35 GMT -6
Also, if John doesn't need quite as much functionality or I/O, there is the smaller CMC2 Compact, which goes for about half the price of the CMC3 Compact. |
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Post by javamad on Jan 10, 2023 10:51:33 GMT -6
Audient Nero has a nice feel tothe level knob
It has moni/dim and some other tricks.
However I can’t reccommend it as I am getting a loud pop in my speakers when I turn it off … so I leave it on.
Imust get round to reporting this to see is it my issue or generalized.
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Post by raddistribution on Jan 10, 2023 11:07:57 GMT -6
That's the one my bandmate uses. He loves it. I have the MC2.1, which is basically the same thing in a different form factor. Had this new "flat" model been around when I bought my MC2.1, I would have gotten this new one instead, simply because I think I like the flat form factor better. Regardless, I think, for the price point, Drawmer hit it out of the park with this entire series of monitor controllers. I don't think it would fit in these newer models, but I had considered modding my older MC2.1 to swap the pot for a Goldpoint or something like that. I didn't realize the Heritage had a stepped switch. I'll have to check that one out. Edit: I thought you were talking about the Drawmer, not the Heritage. Edit 2:. Those Heritage controllers, the Baby RAM and the RAM 2000, both look pretty cool, and I do like that they have proper stepped attenuators. the ram2000 actually does it in a slightly way to the same effect. the baby ram uses a 24 position switch while the ram2000 uses an encoder and microcontroller to control relays with the same resistor values. that allows the ram2000 to have some fancy features like recall and memory that the baby ram obviously cant have. they will sound exactly the same though. thats one of the cool things about the ram system monitor controllers, all models across the line sound exactly the same. you therefor pay for the model that has the feature set that matches you needs instead of paying more for better sound quality. |
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Post by Quint on Jan 10, 2023 11:21:25 GMT -6
I have the MC2.1, which is basically the same thing in a different form factor. Had this new "flat" model been around when I bought my MC2.1, I would have gotten this new one instead, simply because I think I like the flat form factor better. Regardless, I think, for the price point, Drawmer hit it out of the park with this entire series of monitor controllers. I don't think it would fit in these newer models, but I had considered modding my older MC2.1 to swap the pot for a Goldpoint or something like that. I didn't realize the Heritage had a stepped switch. I'll have to check that one out. Edit: I thought you were talking about the Drawmer, not the Heritage. Edit 2:. Those Heritage controllers, the Baby RAM and the RAM 2000, both look pretty cool, and I do like that they have proper stepped attenuators. the ram2000 actually does it in a slightly way to the same effect. the baby ram uses a 24 position switch while the ram2000 uses an encoder and microcontroller to control relays with the same resistor values. that allows the ram2000 to have some fancy features like recall and memory that the baby ram obviously cant have. they will sound exactly the same though. thats one of the cool things about the ram system monitor controllers, all models across the line sound exactly the same. you therefor pay for the model that has the feature set that matches you needs instead of paying more for better sound quality. Behringer did the same thing with relays in one or more of their monitor controllers, and I always thought that was a cool approach, at least in theory, but I've never given any of these relay operated controllers a listen. There's no reason a solution like this can't or shouldn't be completely transparent, but the implementation is always the key. I'd trust Heritage to do it correctly before I'd trust Behringer though....  Thanks for this bit of info. I didn't know that about the RAM 2000. |
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Post by ericn on Jan 10, 2023 11:27:33 GMT -6
the ram2000 actually does it in a slightly way to the same effect. the baby ram uses a 24 position switch while the ram2000 uses an encoder and microcontroller to control relays with the same resistor values. that allows the ram2000 to have some fancy features like recall and memory that the baby ram obviously cant have. they will sound exactly the same though. thats one of the cool things about the ram system monitor controllers, all models across the line sound exactly the same. you therefor pay for the model that has the feature set that matches you needs instead of paying more for better sound quality. Behringer did the same thing with relays in one or more of their monitor controllers, and I always thought that was a cool approach, at least in theory, but I've never given any of these relay operated controllers a listen. There's no reason a solution like this can't or shouldn't be completely transparent, but the implementation is always the key. I'd trust Heritage to do it correctly before I'd trust Behringer though.... Thanks for this bit of info. I didn't know that about the RAM 2000. You used the B word😜 |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 10, 2023 11:38:47 GMT -6
Since you already have a really high quality D/A how about a Dangerous Monitor ST? Just overkill. I guess all I’m really looking for is a pentiometer that works. Or is it called a potentiometer? |
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Post by ericn on Jan 10, 2023 11:48:59 GMT -6
Since you already have a really high quality D/A how about a Dangerous Monitor ST? Just overkill. I guess all I’m really looking for is a pentiometer that works. Or is it called a potentiometer? I think the pent- is only if you are recording stuff with hidden messages recorded backwards, of course I will miss spell spelling at any given moment ( try typing with spikes of neuropathic pain shooting through your hand)😁 |
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Post by the other mark williams on Jan 10, 2023 12:39:33 GMT -6
Since you already have a really high quality D/A how about a Dangerous Monitor ST? Just overkill. I guess all I’m really looking for is a pentiometer that works. Or is it called a potentiometer? Yeah, that's why I mentioned the Heritage Baby RAM piece: It's a passive set of matched resistors. It's not a pot that gets scratchy or loses L/R translation. It happens to have a couple other features, as well, but the main thing you're looking for is the main thing it does. |
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Post by bikescene on Jan 10, 2023 12:57:53 GMT -6
Just overkill. I guess all I’m really looking for is a pentiometer that works. Or is it called a potentiometer? Yeah, that's why I mentioned the Heritage Baby RAM piece: It's a passive set of matched resistors. It's not a pot that gets scratchy or loses L/R translation. It happens to have a couple other features, as well, but the main thing you're looking for is the main thing it does. I’ve had a Baby Ram for about 2 years now. It’s nice to be able switch between 2 sets of monitors with 1 click. There are no balance issues that are associated with a dual gang pot design. A picture of the innards that I found online shows that it is indeed selecting different resistors on each click.  I’m not a fan of the TRS jacks that are used on my particular unit. All were hard to plug in at first, but now cables can slide straight out of a few of them. I’ve seen some complaints online about this. I don’t move the unit, so I accept it for what it is. I hope the jacks are better on newer units. |
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Post by ericn on Jan 10, 2023 13:12:03 GMT -6
Just overkill. I guess all I’m really looking for is a pentiometer that works. Or is it called a potentiometer? Yeah, that's why I mentioned the Heritage Baby RAM piece: It's a passive set of matched resistors. It's not a pot that gets scratchy or loses L/R translation. It happens to have a couple other features, as well, but the main thing you're looking for is the main thing it does. And that Mark is why I linked to the used one at GC😁 The only complaint with switched resistor array is this: if you’re picky about your monitoring level (me) it can be frustrating because your preferred level might fall between the switch points. OK you can probably adjust the gain somewhere else but what if you also have a preference for a particular lower or higher SPL as well? It gets to be a pain! |
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Post by Quint on Jan 10, 2023 13:23:05 GMT -6
Yeah, that's why I mentioned the Heritage Baby RAM piece: It's a passive set of matched resistors. It's not a pot that gets scratchy or loses L/R translation. It happens to have a couple other features, as well, but the main thing you're looking for is the main thing it does. And that Mark is why I linked to the used one at GC😁 The only complaint with switched resistor array is this: if you’re picky about your monitoring level (me) it can be frustrating because your preferred level might fall between the switch points. OK you can probably adjust the gain somewhere else but what if you also have a preference for a particular lower or higher SPL as well? It gets to be a pain! I could see 24 steps maybe leaving you with wishing there was in between positions when it comes to the Baby RAM, but the RAM 2000 has 64 steps. I'd like to think I could find a volume level that works somewhere in 64 steps. I guess you get what you pay for. |
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Post by ericn on Jan 10, 2023 13:37:35 GMT -6
And that Mark is why I linked to the used one at GC😁 The only complaint with switched resistor array is this: if you’re picky about your monitoring level (me) it can be frustrating because your preferred level might fall between the switch points. OK you can probably adjust the gain somewhere else but what if you also have a preference for a particular lower or higher SPL as well? It gets to be a pain! I could see 24 steps maybe leaving you with wishing there was in between positions when it comes to the Baby RAM, but the RAM 2000 has 64 steps. I'd like to think I could find a volume level that works somewhere in 64 steps. I guess you get what you pay for. Hey I don’t even like the steps in the Mytek ( 100+ I believe) so some of us are just picky and I admit I’m one of them😎. I was going to point JK to a company that sells a pair of Matched P&G faders but they only sell them with pigtails, but they track well and are smooooth! |
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Post by jaba on Jan 10, 2023 14:14:05 GMT -6
The Heritage Baby RAM looks nice. Just what I need feature wise and hard to beat the price.
Is it as transparent as they claim? Would it be on par with the Coleman LS3 in that regard?
I once tried the Radial MC3 (active) and was shocked how much it colored the sound, despite its claims of transparency and higher price tag.
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Post by seawell on Jan 10, 2023 15:13:35 GMT -6
Since you already have a really high quality D/A how about a Dangerous Monitor ST? Just overkill. I guess all I’m really looking for is a pentiometer that works. Or is it called a potentiometer? Gotcha. Considering how good their other products are built, the Radial Engineering MC3 may be worth a look. www.radialeng.com/product/mc3 |
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