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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 9, 2023 13:14:53 GMT -6
Just looking for something I can put between my Burl DA and the speakers. I've been using a TC Level Pilot for about 6 months, but it's already scratchy and losing L/R balance occasionally...so, I guess I'm gonna have to retire it. Didn't want to spend a lot on it.
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Post by notneeson on Jan 9, 2023 13:18:42 GMT -6
Just looking for something I can put between my Burl DA and the speakers. I've been using a TC Level Pilot for about 6 months, but it's already scratchy and losing L/R balance occasionally...so, I guess I'm gonna have to retire it. Didn't want to spend a lot on it. OG Dangerous D-Box is cheap 2nd hand and still a nice jukebox whether you use the summing or DA. The Radial one seems alright-ish. Also, I have a Mackie Big Knob passive that I use in my home system and it’s been totally solid. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2023 13:20:22 GMT -6
I'll second the Mackie, had one for a while no issues. I think Drawmer made one as well? They generally make good stuff.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 9, 2023 14:25:29 GMT -6
Really talking about one I can use as a controller right in front of me. I can control digitally with the Apollo Console or the actual Apollo knob, but it's a reach over the desk. Really love the ergonomics and simplicity of the TC LP, but after doing a bunch of back and forth - besides the crackling - I think it's rolling off highs and generally degrading the sound.
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Post by ericn on Jan 9, 2023 14:37:12 GMT -6
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Post by svart on Jan 9, 2023 14:54:32 GMT -6
Just looking for something I can put between my Burl DA and the speakers. I've been using a TC Level Pilot for about 6 months, but it's already scratchy and losing L/R balance occasionally...so, I guess I'm gonna have to retire it. Didn't want to spend a lot on it. I found a pic of what's inside. It's just a multi-ganged potentiometer. Can't get a whole lot more simple than that. Unfortunately scratchiness is what comes with pot usage. You could get some pot cleaner and give it a try. |
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Post by tasteliketape on Jan 9, 2023 15:03:33 GMT -6
Just bought a Hertiage Baby Ram about a month in and it seems solid so far
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Post by ericn on Jan 9, 2023 15:14:38 GMT -6
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Post by Blackdawg on Jan 9, 2023 15:45:07 GMT -6
Go with the best of the best then.
Get a Grace. You can find an m902 used probably for a good deal I'd bet.
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Post by drsax on Jan 9, 2023 16:01:15 GMT -6
Really talking about one I can use as a controller right in front of me. I can control digitally with the Apollo Console or the actual Apollo knob, but it's a reach over the desk. Really love the ergonomics and simplicity of the TC LP, but after doing a bunch of back and forth - besides the crackling - I think it's rolling off highs and generally degrading the sound. - how about a second gen Apollo twin right on the desktop in front of you. It won’t affect your conversion / monitor quality and can sit right in front of you on your desk. |
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Post by nick8801 on Jan 9, 2023 16:10:28 GMT -6
I have had the Heritage baby Ram for a few years now, and I love it!
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Post by drbill on Jan 9, 2023 16:12:13 GMT -6
Go with the best of the best then. Get a Grace. You can find an m902 used probably for a good deal I'd bet. I've got to second the Grace. In retrospect, one of the best things I've purchased. I've got the m905. In black. Fabulous piece of gear, and worth the price - although at the time I bought it I was in serious doubt about it..... Not after I hooked it up....  |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 9, 2023 16:14:12 GMT -6
Just looking for something I can put between my Burl DA and the speakers. I've been using a TC Level Pilot for about 6 months, but it's already scratchy and losing L/R balance occasionally...so, I guess I'm gonna have to retire it. Didn't want to spend a lot on it. I found a pic of what's inside. It's just a multi-ganged potentiometer. Can't get a whole lot more simple than that. Unfortunately scratchiness is what comes with pot usage. You could get some pot cleaner and give it a try. Might just consider buying a new one. Going back and forth, I think I hear a difference (in a bad way.) But that could totally be confirmation Bias. Kind of ashamed to have a shitload of money in DA and monitors and have a Chinese pentiometer between them. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 9, 2023 16:17:12 GMT -6
Really talking about one I can use as a controller right in front of me. I can control digitally with the Apollo Console or the actual Apollo knob, but it's a reach over the desk. Really love the ergonomics and simplicity of the TC LP, but after doing a bunch of back and forth - besides the crackling - I think it's rolling off highs and generally degrading the sound. - how about a second gen Apollo twin right on the desktop in front of you. It won’t affect your conversion / monitor quality and can sit right in front of you on your desk. I’ve thought about it. They’re still in the $500 range though, right? Also - how do you connect the the two? Right now I’m using spdif out to go to my Burl DA (spdif to AES)…then I’m using the SPDIF IN for the Burl AD. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 9, 2023 16:20:40 GMT -6
Go with the best of the best then. Get a Grace. You can find an m902 used probably for a good deal I'd bet. That’s active with a DA, though, right? |
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Post by Quint on Jan 9, 2023 16:21:35 GMT -6
Johnkenn - how about a second gen Apollo twin right on the desktop in front of you. It won’t affect your conversion / monitor quality and can sit right in front of you on your desk. I’ve thought about it. They’re still in the $500 range though, right? Also - how do you connect the the two? Right now I’m using spdif out to go to my Burl DA (spdif to AES)…then I’m using the SPDIF IN for the Burl AD. They just daisy chain over TB, one Apollo to another. No other digital connections required. For that matter, if you'd only be using it as a digital volume control, and not for conversion, you could even get the first gen Twin, which would be even cheaper if you're not worried about conversion quality on the Twin (not that the first gen Twin is bad conversion). |
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Post by seawell on Jan 9, 2023 16:23:33 GMT -6
Since you already have a really high quality D/A how about a Dangerous Monitor ST?
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 9, 2023 16:30:57 GMT -6
I’ve thought about it. They’re still in the $500 range though, right? Also - how do you connect the the two? Right now I’m using spdif out to go to my Burl DA (spdif to AES)…then I’m using the SPDIF IN for the Burl AD. They just daisy chain over TB, one Apollo to another. No other digital connections required. For that matter, if you'd only be using it as a digital volume control, and not for conversion, you could even get the first gen Twin, which would be even cheaper if you're not worried about conversion quality on the Twin (not that the first gen Twin is bad conversion). What about an Arrow? Or is that not tbolt |
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Post by Quint on Jan 9, 2023 16:36:22 GMT -6
They just daisy chain over TB, one Apollo to another. No other digital connections required. For that matter, if you'd only be using it as a digital volume control, and not for conversion, you could even get the first gen Twin, which would be even cheaper if you're not worried about conversion quality on the Twin (not that the first gen Twin is bad conversion). What about an Arrow? Or is that not tbolt An Arrow ought to work too, as long as it's TB. Do they even make anything BUT a TB Arrow? I prefer an analog controller myself, but I had considered going the Twin as a controller route myself before. If you're not gonna use it for conversion, I'd get the cheapest Twin I could find. The extra UAD DSP probably might come in handy too. I was basically looking at the Twin as more or less a Satellite with a bonus digital volume control. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 9, 2023 16:37:30 GMT -6
What about an Arrow? Or is that not tbolt An Arrow ought to work too, as long as it's TB. Do they even make anything BUT a TB Arrow? I prefer an analog controller myself, but I had considered going the Twin as a controller route myself before. What’s the argument for/against digital/analog? |
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Post by Blackdawg on Jan 9, 2023 16:40:53 GMT -6
Go with the best of the best then. Get a Grace. You can find an m902 used probably for a good deal I'd bet. That’s active with a DA, though, right It'll do anything. Digital or Analog or both. You can now in the new m905 do just analog path so it'll just pass it through. See here: gracedesign.com/products/monitor-controllers/m905Or you can use it digitally before your DA. Or use it as a DA. Which won't suck either. Very versatile. Worth checking out. |
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Post by Quint on Jan 9, 2023 16:48:41 GMT -6
An Arrow ought to work too, as long as it's TB. Do they even make anything BUT a TB Arrow? I prefer an analog controller myself, but I had considered going the Twin as a controller route myself before. What’s the argument for/against digital/analog? I'm sure there are others here who could go into more technical detail, but the long standing argument was loss of bit depth. With modern 24/32 bit systems, I don't know if that's as big a deal anymore, but I also just like not having to worry about it. I also like the immediate and fool proof way of fail safe controlling volume that doesn't rely on the right software button being selected, or anything like that. I like knowing that, if shit hits the fan with some kind of monitor destroying volume, there is one single, tangible knob that I 100% always know will immediately lower the volume, without any potential digital glitchiness or otherwise. With the Twin/Arrow, you might have the big knob set to controlling preamp gain or something, which means it's NOT set to control the master volume, and now you're going to be scrambling to get the volume turned down before your monitors blow. Also I just like the one button/knob, one function operation with an analog controller that you don't typically get with a digital controller. I want to be able to reach over and just switch between mono and stereo, for example, without having to look at anything. |
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Post by ericn on Jan 9, 2023 17:09:27 GMT -6
I found a pic of what's inside. It's just a multi-ganged potentiometer. Can't get a whole lot more simple than that. Unfortunately scratchiness is what comes with pot usage. You could get some pot cleaner and give it a try. Might just consider buying a new one. Going back and forth, I think I hear a difference (in a bad way.) But that could totally be confirmation Bias. Kind of ashamed to have a shitload of money in DA and monitors and have a Chinese pentiometer between them. At this point I think everything with analog attention.but a P&G or highend ALPs is a Chinese potentiometer. |
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Post by drsax on Jan 9, 2023 17:17:52 GMT -6
If it’s just for volume control, then, with your current Apollo, a desktop, Apollo twin would be the solution that would not change anything in your sound, other than giving you volume control. Any other type of controller by crane song, dangerous, Mackie, Presonus etc… will all change what you’re hearing to some degree. Some might improve what you’re hearing, and others Can degrade what you’re hearing. But adding a desktop twin to your set up, would give you volume control without any change to what you’re currently hearing. And the Burl conversion is excellent. I hook my Burl up to my Apollo via the SPDIF as well. Furthermore, you just daisychain the twin with a thunderbolt cable to your current Apollo. It would also give you talkback and more processing power for UAD plug-ins.
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Post by drsax on Jan 9, 2023 17:21:20 GMT -6
And FWIW, I wouldn’t go with Mackie or Presonus. I’d either get a twin or invest into the high-end stuff starting at dangerous or grace or crane song.
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