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Post by tackhouse on Jan 7, 2023 14:06:45 GMT -6
This February, I am scheduled to track a rock band in their basement rehearsal space at the bassist’s home. Full drum kit, eight foot ceiling. I’m planning to drag along eight acoustic panels to temporarily treat the space and control reflections. I’m using rolling clothes racks like this to setup makeshift gobos. I would like to use a couple of panels to build a cloud over the drum kit to control ceiling reflections, but I’m stumped on solutions for temporarily suspending acoustic panels over the drum kit. Drilling holes is out, and I don’t trust 3M Command adhesive strips. Any suggestions? Thanks! |
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Post by notneeson on Jan 7, 2023 14:23:59 GMT -6
This February, I am scheduled to track a rock band in their basement rehearsal space at the bassist’s home. Full drum kit, eight foot ceiling. I’m planning to drag along eight acoustic panels to temporarily treat the space and control reflections. I’m using rolling clothes racks like this to setup makeshift gobos. I would like to use a couple of panels to build a cloud over the drum kit to control ceiling reflections, but I’m stumped on solutions for temporarily suspending acoustic panels over the drum kit. Drilling holes is out, and I don’t trust 3M Command adhesive strips. Any suggestions? Thanks! My old studio partner did a session like this with an old pro who spent his career working for a well known folk rocker. This session was a side gig for a German artist. They used a pop up canopy over the drums to tame the early reflections. I haven’t heard the tracks, but it might be worth a shot. |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jan 7, 2023 14:29:55 GMT -6
This February, I am scheduled to track a rock band in their basement rehearsal space at the bassist’s home. Full drum kit, eight foot ceiling. I’m planning to drag along eight acoustic panels to temporarily treat the space and control reflections. I’m using rolling clothes racks like this to setup makeshift gobos. I would like to use a couple of panels to build a cloud over the drum kit to control ceiling reflections, but I’m stumped on solutions for temporarily suspending acoustic panels over the drum kit. Drilling holes is out, and I don’t trust 3M Command adhesive strips. Any suggestions? Thanks! Basically you can build a little drum tent. Find something heavy enough to support it (lighting stands?) and then lay your gobos across the top. Or if they’re not big enough, the moving blanket trick. Thing is you have to really get it close to the ceiling otherwise you’re causing more problems than you’re solving. Another trick would be to overdub cymbals later. Not unheard of but depends on the songs. |
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Post by carymiller on Jan 7, 2023 14:39:35 GMT -6
This February, I am scheduled to track a rock band in their basement rehearsal space at the bassist’s home. Full drum kit, eight foot ceiling. I’m planning to drag along eight acoustic panels to temporarily treat the space and control reflections. I’m using rolling clothes racks like this to setup makeshift gobos. I would like to use a couple of panels to build a cloud over the drum kit to control ceiling reflections, but I’m stumped on solutions for temporarily suspending acoustic panels over the drum kit. Drilling holes is out, and I don’t trust 3M Command adhesive strips. Any suggestions? Thanks! If you're using panels around the kit, I think a moving blanket canopy over the kit would be enough. Don't over stress it. Worry more about how you're going to mic it, and getting good sounds on the way in. |
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Post by jmoose on Jan 7, 2023 16:19:44 GMT -6
If I thought it was an issue I'd hang tapestries or some light sheets over the kit... thumbtacks. Nothing crazy.
Who knows, you might find the reflections actually help the overall sound and put some life into the room. Kinda depends on what's happening. Like is the floor bare concrete or carpeted? Don't overthink it in advance.
I'd be far more concerned about what my own space is going to sound like & treat that first. Gotta have a solid "control room" somehow or other.
Have you been able to check out the bands space in advance & do a walk through? I always find that valuable if there's a way to make it happen.
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Post by ericn on Jan 7, 2023 18:18:41 GMT -6
On the cheap temporary room treat, simple find the nearest used office furniture dealer walk in with cash and buy a bunch of miss match cubicle dividers. They probably already have feet. Then you can easily use your panels for over head and be fire code compliant.
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Post by jeremygillespie on Jan 8, 2023 15:33:05 GMT -6
8x10 easy up. Leave the top off and lay some panels up there on top or a few packing blankets. There are usually stops built in to adjust the height so you’d be able to fit it in there.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jan 8, 2023 16:15:16 GMT -6
On the cheap temporary room treat, simple find the nearest used office furniture dealer walk in with cash and buy a bunch of miss match cubicle dividers. They probably already have feet. Then you can easily use your panels for over head and be fire code compliant. Where I live offices are closing left and right. Do a search on Craigslist and you can buy anything one might find in an office in any quantity for very cheap. $500 desk chairs for $80. Monitor stands. Crappy Dell laptops. And yes, cubicles and dividers. Galore. I bet it's the same in most metro areas. So Eric's advice is easier to follow than ever. Do a CL search and you can have a load of cubicles in your truck/van within two hours assuming you don't live in the middle of nowhere. And if you DO live in the middle of nowhere, why track in the basement?? Find a barn! |
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Post by ericn on Jan 8, 2023 17:22:29 GMT -6
On the cheap temporary room treat, simple find the nearest used office furniture dealer walk in with cash and buy a bunch of miss match cubicle dividers. They probably already have feet. Then you can easily use your panels for over head and be fire code compliant. Where I live offices are closing left and right. Do a search on Craigslist and you can buy anything one might find in an office in any quantity for very cheap. $500 desk chairs for $80. Monitor stands. Crappy Dell laptops. And yes, cubicles and dividers. Galore. I bet it's the same in most metro areas. So Eric's advice is easier to follow than ever. Do a CL search and you can have a load of cubicles in your truck/van within two hours assuming you don't live in the middle of nowhere. And if you DO live in the middle of nowhere, why track in the basement?? Find a barn! Yeah 2 blocks down the Street BOK closed an office, everyday I walk by an empty office with an Aeron sitting there, Ian keeping a $100 cash in my wallet to bribe who ever ends up throwing it and any others in the dumpster! |
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Post by Ward on Jan 9, 2023 7:51:20 GMT -6
If I thought it was an issue I'd hang tapestries or some light sheets over the kit... thumbtacks. Nothing crazy. Who knows, you might find the reflections actually help the overall sound and put some life into the room. Kinda depends on what's happening. Like is the floor bare concrete or carpeted? Don't overthink it in advance. I'd be far more concerned about what my own space is going to sound like & treat that first. Gotta have a solid "control room" somehow or other. Have you been able to check out the bands space in advance & do a walk through? I always find that valuable if there's a way to make it happen. +1 |
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Post by svart on Jan 9, 2023 9:28:54 GMT -6
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Post by ericn on Jan 9, 2023 10:02:36 GMT -6
If this seams appealing in the world of theater there is always 2in iron pipe hung from the ceiling using aircraft cable, all available at Home Depot. |
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Post by plinker on Jan 10, 2023 9:19:54 GMT -6
You can do all kinds of things with cheap PVC pipe.
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Post by Ward on Jan 10, 2023 9:23:07 GMT -6
You can do all kinds of things with cheap PVC pipe. Are you building DIY flugal horns again? how about the Sousa's? |
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Post by plinker on Jan 10, 2023 9:36:50 GMT -6
Butt trumpets
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Post by plinker on Jan 10, 2023 9:38:41 GMT -6
Haha! the forum won't let me post the name of that particular, three-button horn.
...so I'll say "Butt Trombone" instead.
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Post by svart on Jan 10, 2023 9:40:39 GMT -6
If this seams appealing in the world of theater there is always 2in iron pipe hung from the ceiling using aircraft cable, all available at Home Depot. The cost of iron pipe.. whew boy that's stuff is expensive these days. |
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Post by ericn on Jan 10, 2023 10:17:32 GMT -6
If this seams appealing in the world of theater there is always 2in iron pipe hung from the ceiling using aircraft cable, all available at Home Depot. The cost of iron pipe.. whew boy that's stuff is expensive these days. I think I helped a theater where who the original consultant did a grid with truss do a basic 8 bars about 6 months ago what was it $2.50 a foot at Lowe’s? |
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Post by svart on Jan 10, 2023 10:22:34 GMT -6
The cost of iron pipe.. whew boy that's stuff is expensive these days. I think I helped a theater where who the original consultant did a grid with truss do a basic 8 bars about 6 months ago what was it $2.50 a foot at Lowe’s? Heck no. I just bought 6ft of 3/4 at lowes for a project and it was 40$. |
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Post by ericn on Jan 10, 2023 10:28:52 GMT -6
I think I helped a theater where who the original consultant did a grid with truss do a basic 8 bars about 6 months ago what was it $2.50 a foot at Lowe’s? Heck no. I just bought 6ft of 3/4 at lowes for a project and it was 40$. [bri I hate this inflation, your right I just checked on line and my notes it was 11 months ago and it was $2.75 from some source the theatre had. |
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Post by jmoose on Jan 10, 2023 10:49:41 GMT -6
Ok. Some of these suggestions seem pretty goofy to me...
Iron pipe? No way would I suspend that over someone's head and gear without proper support which means drilling holes through the overhead joists... which they said is no bueno.
Office dividers? Who's gonna pay for all those? And bigger... transport and store them after the session? Add in a U Haul or trailer rental...
Its a rock band recording in a basement. Not the hit factory. And just like, IMO... if the space sounds that bad that it needs a bunch of heavy treatment to be "somewhat passable" then why are we even tracking there in the first place??
Maybe all this effort would be better spent in finding a hipper spot to record..?
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Post by ericn on Jan 10, 2023 13:18:13 GMT -6
Ok. Some of these suggestions seem pretty goofy to me... Iron pipe? No way would I suspend that over someone's head and gear without proper support which means drilling holes through the overhead joists... which they said is no bueno. Office dividers? Who's gonna pay for all those? And bigger... transport and store them after the session? Add in a U Haul or trailer rental... Its a rock band recording in a basement. Not the hit factory. And just like, IMO... if the space sounds that bad that it needs a bunch of heavy treatment to be "somewhat passable" then why are we even tracking there in the first place?? Maybe all this effort would be better spent in finding a hipper spot to record..? Treat is always cheaper than real estate! Add in finding a place that will let you play at hours that work for you it’s almost impossible. I know a guy who tried to find a rehearsal space and ended up redoing his basement after he showed his wife he would spend more in a year on rent, and that’s hiring an acoustician and having a contractor do all the work. He did find on space but in KC it would have been an hour each way. Plus his kids are old enough that as long as someone is in the house they don’t need a babysitter. |
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Post by plinker on Jan 10, 2023 13:25:32 GMT -6
You can do all kinds of things with cheap PVC pipe. PVC is a lot cheaper and safer than iron pipe!
Also, much easier to work with and disassemble.
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Post by ericn on Jan 10, 2023 13:42:03 GMT -6
You can do all kinds of things with cheap PVC pipe. PVC is a lot cheaper and safer than iron pipe!
Also, much easier to work with and disassemble.
But PVC isn’t load rated and excepted as a support. In other words use PVC in your home as a support even for something unrelated and you have an insurance claim, your policy could be null and void. |
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Post by plinker on Jan 10, 2023 15:18:57 GMT -6
Oh no! The blanket just fell on the drummer's head!!!
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