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Post by Ward on Jan 9, 2023 7:53:28 GMT -6
At the same time, when someone asks about a $3000 compressor, there will always be those who insist the $29 plug-in is better. I see you've met the know-it=all 30-something 'veterans' of the industry who live by youtube tutorials and have a problem for every solution . . . LOL
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Post by Ward on Jan 9, 2023 7:54:19 GMT -6
400 dollar plugin compressors smokes 400 19” rack unit compressor and makes 4000 dollar compressor sound like plastic No. on the second point.
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Post by Ward on Jan 9, 2023 7:55:48 GMT -6
Why is it that when someone asks for advice regarding a purchase and they give a specific price range, invariably folks here manage to recommend gear that is double ..or even triple the price? I hate you all! Well, maybe not ..but my wife does We only want what's best for you! We truly care! P.S. What compressors do you have for stereo piano capture now? (just wondering. so I can recommend which ones you need and how I can help you buy them)
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Post by M57 on Jan 9, 2023 10:12:06 GMT -6
We only want what's best for you! We truly care! P.S. What compressors do you have for stereo piano capture now? (just wondering. so I can recommend which ones you need and how I can help you buy them) Honestly, I'm at this turning point in my musical life, and of course it's linked to and coinciding with decisions (some urgent) that I need to make about my studio. I need to replace my 2017 iMac, which is just dragging its heels. I mean like as in it takes two minutes just to boot up, forget loading a program. The good news is that I'm coming to the conclusion that the entry level Mac Studio with the basic M1 Max chip and 64GB of Unified Memory looks like it should be more than adequate for the task. Even after I purchase a nice big monitor I may have a few extra dollars for gear, which brings me to the point in my musical life part.. Long story short: I need to decide if I'm ever going to release my music on platforms other than SoundCloud or similar, and if so ..how and why. I'm a recently retired teacher turned DIY loan wolf singer/songwriter who writes songs that I would describe as anything but accessible. I wouldn't be insulted if folks were to describe me as as a full-time hobbyist. To date, I have set the bar VERY low when it comes to any expectations for expanding my listening audience (which is mostly made up of other songwriters). There's an argument to be made that the quality of my recordings have no real importance beyond that they're good enough for me. So I have a significant decision to make. With minimal desire to release/promote my work, I might want to purchase a few more pieces of analog gear to get the most out of my set-up and produce from top to bottom, including mastering, maybe throw it all up on bandcamp at $1.99/per and be done. It's a hobby, remember? So the most important thing is that I'm having fun, and I do enjoy doing it all. On the other hand, if I want to entertain the prospect of putting together an EP or similar and releasing it for sale, I might want to save up those extra dollars for mastering and promotion. I.e. whatever costs are associated with putting it out there ..artwork, maybe even a video?? Honestly, I'd really love to do this but I know it's by far the greater challenge, and I have little stomach for taking on the business side of things. As a teacher I was able to avoid it for most of my life, and as far as I'm concerned that is what has enabled me to take my music in a direction that has been personally satisfying. Also, if I want to go the latter route, I know I'll find myself spending a lot of time and energy going back through my catalog and re-mixing, re-recording a number of tracks, and hiring out for other musicians here and there. Bottom line is that I have to make this decision in order to best determine how to allocate whatever extra monetary resources I have. PS: I hope it's obvious that I started this thread much less to complain, and much more for levity's sake. I too am very appreciative of the quality of information and help to be found on this site.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2023 10:31:32 GMT -6
With minimal desire to release/promote my work, I might want to purchase a few more pieces of analog gear to get the most out of my set-up and produce from top to bottom, including mastering. It's a hobby, remember? So the most important thing is that I'm having fun, and I enjoy doing it all. On the other hand, if I want to entertain the prospect of putting together an EP or similar and releasing it for sale, I might want to save up those extra dollars for mastering and promotion. I.e. whatever costs are associated with putting it out there ..artwork, maybe even a video?? PS: I hope it's obvious that I started this thread much less to complain, and much more for levity's sake. I too am very appreciative of the quality of information and help to be found on this site. I hate to be glum but you could drop a 100K into promotion and barely scratch the surface. The ROI is so low due to streaming that you'd never recoup the costs either unless you are one of those lucky few who goes completely viral.
I love music but it's not an industry that I'd want to fight in to gain business success currently as a musician. There are a lot of talented bands out there with some fiscal backing who drowns in a sea of others, even popular acts struggle. Live is a different matter, there's still some viable traction to be made and something I'm interested in exploring again. However if the intent isn't to play to empty venue's you still need a good product behind you, even if it doesn't sell / get played en mass that's not a problem. It's simply about gaining enough interest and it might be 50 - 100 people per show but that's enough.
So, ultimately with a finite chance of any sort of success I don't even think about that side anymore. It's about what I can achieve and hopefully if I do a good enough job some may enjoy what I put out there. It happens, there's quite a few niche bands in metal that gain a small yet continuous following and if I got to that level I'd be extactic..
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Post by M57 on Jan 9, 2023 10:33:53 GMT -6
No, no.. not 100K! I'm not looking to make money. I'd simply be looking to share the music with a wider audience.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2023 10:38:51 GMT -6
I'm not looking to make money. Well that's good because you probably won't .. I've done some paid streaming upgrades etc. a couple of hundred here and there, it didn't make much of a difference. Got some good feedback though and found someone that's into the same music as me so that was cool.
For me, I'm just looking forward to creating some better music. The last time I released an actual song was about 2004 I believe..
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 9, 2023 10:41:13 GMT -6
Do what matters most to you: period. I have 8 albums on Bandcamp, does anybody know ? If you buy some better gear, you have the benefit snd fun of learning how to use it and becoming a better engineer/producer in the process. You also have an asset you could sell, if you really need the money. Hiring a pro is great for efficiency etc., but you miss the above ? If you have the money, time and interest, I’d say buy the gear.
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Post by plinker on Jan 9, 2023 10:42:49 GMT -6
At the same time, when someone asks about a $3000 compressor, there will always be those who insist the $29 plug-in is better. I see you've met the know-it=all 30-something 'veterans' of the industry who live by youtube tutorials and have a problem for every solution . . . LOL To paraphase Doc Bill's phrase, "interneting instead of interning".
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Post by drbill on Jan 9, 2023 10:46:29 GMT -6
P.S. What compressors do you have for stereo piano capture now? (just wondering. so I can recommend which ones you need and how I can help you buy them) I've only found one that works for me consistently, and unfortunately for me, right now, it's got to go into the shop for a retube and recalibration. If you've got other options, let me know please. Its the only thing I've got that elegantly catches those leading edge transients that eat up headroom and cause instantaneously, and random glitch bits of distortion. Manley VariMu.
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Post by M57 on Jan 9, 2023 11:56:32 GMT -6
I've only found one that works for me consistently, and unfortunately for me, right now, it's got to go into the shop for a retube and recalibration. If you've got other options, let me know please. Its the only thing I've got that elegantly catches those leading edge transients that eat up headroom and cause instantaneously, and random glitch bits of distortion. Manley VariMu. The Manley has ALWAYS been near or even AT the top of my dream wish-list. I'm starting to get back into recording my baby grand with a combination of LDC and SDC mics with reasonable success (it's really helping to A/B it against quality modeled VI's like pianoteq) and I just know that printing the piano submix through the Manley would take it to the place I hear. I am using three oddly configured mics right now, with the SDC over the treble strings, one LDC on the bass side (spaced maybe 10 or so inches apart), and a third (LDC) way down at the far end faced directly at the sound board, so I'm not sure how or if I would want to track through the Manley. Unlinked for starters I guess. It does do that, right?
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jan 9, 2023 12:08:39 GMT -6
Ps just reading the GL product descriptions and the eye candy, makes you want to buy 1 of everything ! gainlabaudio.com/That Empress looks like if a Pultec and a Curve Bender had a baby. And at two channels for $2k it's about 1/5 the cost per channel of either.
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Post by drbill on Jan 9, 2023 12:14:28 GMT -6
I've only found one that works for me consistently, and unfortunately for me, right now, it's got to go into the shop for a retube and recalibration. If you've got other options, let me know please. Its the only thing I've got that elegantly catches those leading edge transients that eat up headroom and cause instantaneously, and random glitch bits of distortion. Manley VariMu. The Manley has ALWAYS been near or even AT the top of my dream wish-list. I'm starting to get back into recording my baby grand with a combination of LDC and SDC mics with reasonable success (it's really helping to A/B it against quality modeled VI's like pianoteq) and I just know that printing the piano submix through the Manley would take it to the place I hear. I am using three oddly configured mics right now, with the SDC over the treble strings, one LDC on the bass side (spaced maybe 10 or so inches apart), and a third (LDC) way down at the far end faced directly at the sound board, so I'm not sure how or if I would want to track through the Manley. Unlinked for starters I guess. It does do that, right? Yes. It has totally separate controls. You can use it as two mono comps, one stereo unlinked comp, or a stereo linked comp.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jan 9, 2023 12:17:37 GMT -6
Honestly, I'm at this turning point in my musical life, and of course it's linked to and coinciding with decisions (some urgent) that I need to make about my studio. I need to replace my 2017 iMac, which is just dragging its heels. I mean like as in it takes two minutes just to boot up, forget loading a program. The good news is that I'm coming to the conclusion that the entry level Mac Studio with the basic M1 Max chip and 64GB of Unified Memory looks like it should be more than adequate for the task. Even after I purchase a nice big monitor I may have a few extra dollars for gear, which brings me to the point in my musical life part.. Long story short: I need to decide if I'm ever going to release my music on platforms other than SoundCloud or similar, and if so ..how and why. I'm a recently retired teacher turned DIY loan wolf singer/songwriter who writes songs that I would describe as anything but accessible. I wouldn't be insulted if folks were to describe me as as a full-time hobbyist. To date, I have set the bar VERY low when it comes to any expectations for expanding my listening audience (which is mostly made up of other songwriters). There's an argument to be made that the quality of my recordings have no real importance beyond that they're good enough for me. So I have a significant decision to make. With minimal desire to release/promote my work, I might want to purchase a few more pieces of analog gear to get the most out of my set-up and produce from top to bottom, including mastering, maybe throw it all up on bandcamp at $1.99/per and be done. It's a hobby, remember? So the most important thing is that I'm having fun, and I do enjoy doing it all. On the other hand, if I want to entertain the prospect of putting together an EP or similar and releasing it for sale, I might want to save up those extra dollars for mastering and promotion. I.e. whatever costs are associated with putting it out there ..artwork, maybe even a video?? Honestly, I'd really love to do this but I know it's by far the greater challenge, and I have little stomach for taking on the business side of things. As a teacher I was able to avoid it for most of my life, and as far as I'm concerned that is what has enabled me to take my music in a direction that has been personally satisfying. Also, if I want to go the latter route, I know I'll find myself spending a lot of time and energy going back through my catalog and re-mixing, re-recording a number of tracks, and hiring out for other musicians here and there. Bottom line is that I have to make this decision in order to best determine how to allocate whatever extra monetary resources I have. PS: I hope it's obvious that I started this thread much less to complain, and much more for levity's sake. I too am very appreciative of the quality of information and help to be found on this site. Hey, I happened to listen to your SoundCloud a few weeks ago actually. I don't think there's any "issue" with the quality of your recordings and the ones I was listening to were a few years old I think. As a fellow songwriter I can tell you that sometimes it's just inspiring to get that next level of quality, but your stuff is very releasable as is. So my advice would be to do what inspires you to write more songs. Your particular style of folk songwriting is not my style, but I do know that it's a lot of people's style. You would do very well at a place like Kerrville Folk Festival here in Texas for example. I have a couple very close friends that make bank touring the country as solo folk-singers doing stuff a lot like what you do. House parties, coffee shops, festivals, etc... it's its own world. Release your stuff man. Your particular audience is not on Soundcloud. They're out in real world and they actually buy CD's and records. Go find them!
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jan 9, 2023 12:20:55 GMT -6
With minimal desire to release/promote my work, I might want to purchase a few more pieces of analog gear to get the most out of my set-up and produce from top to bottom, including mastering. It's a hobby, remember? So the most important thing is that I'm having fun, and I enjoy doing it all. On the other hand, if I want to entertain the prospect of putting together an EP or similar and releasing it for sale, I might want to save up those extra dollars for mastering and promotion. I.e. whatever costs are associated with putting it out there ..artwork, maybe even a video?? PS: I hope it's obvious that I started this thread much less to complain, and much more for levity's sake. I too am very appreciative of the quality of information and help to be found on this site. I hate to be glum but you could drop a 100K into promotion and barely scratch the surface. The ROI is so low due to streaming that you'd never recoup the costs either unless you are one of those lucky few who goes completely viral.
I love music but it's not an industry that I'd want to fight in to gain business success currently as a musician. There are a lot of talented bands out there with some fiscal backing who drowns in a sea of others, even popular acts struggle. Live is a different matter, there's still some viable traction to be made and something I'm interested in exploring again. However if the intent isn't to play to empty venue's you still need a good product behind you, even if it doesn't sell / get played en mass that's not a problem. It's simply about gaining enough interest and it might be 50 - 100 people per show but that's enough.
So, ultimately with a finite chance of any sort of success I don't even think about that side anymore. It's about what I can achieve and hopefully if I do a good enough job some may enjoy what I put out there. It happens, there's quite a few niche bands in metal that gain a small yet continuous following and if I got to that level I'd be extactic..
This dovetails with what I just posted. But the thing is, for a solo performer 50 people at a show is making a living. Cuz you can tour out of your car and you usually have zero other hands in the pie. The two guys I mentioned above are dudes with like New York Times featured articles about them, not small time guys. And they only pull in 30-50 people outside of the major metro areas. But guess what? When your tour van is a Toyota Prius and your hotel is the promoter's guest house... $500/night goes a very long way.
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Post by Ward on Jan 9, 2023 12:45:38 GMT -6
P.S. What compressors do you have for stereo piano capture now? (just wondering. so I can recommend which ones you need and how I can help you buy them) I've only found one that works for me consistently, and unfortunately for me, right now, it's got to go into the shop for a retube and recalibration. If you've got other options, let me know please. Its the only thing I've got that elegantly catches those leading edge transients that eat up headroom and cause instantaneously, and random glitch bits of distortion. Manley VariMu. Honestly, yes. The D-Comp. I replaced my Manley vari-mu SLAM with one. It's a totally different thing, but the results are pretty rad! You can bring the piano right up in your face without cranking it in your mix.
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Post by bchurch on Jan 9, 2023 12:59:26 GMT -6
Promoter's guest house? I need to switch genres, because I've been lucky to get the promoter's COUCH.
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Post by drbill on Jan 9, 2023 13:26:48 GMT -6
I've only found one that works for me consistently, and unfortunately for me, right now, it's got to go into the shop for a retube and recalibration. If you've got other options, let me know please. Its the only thing I've got that elegantly catches those leading edge transients that eat up headroom and cause instantaneously, and random glitch bits of distortion. Manley VariMu. Honestly, yes. The D-Comp. I replaced my Manley vari-mu SLAM with one. It's a totally different thing, but the results are pretty rad! You can bring the piano right up in your face without cranking it in your mix. that's kind of the opposite of what I want. I want to control transients, make the piano richer sounding, not make the piano aggressive or in your face, minimally to moderately pull up the low level stuff, and not hear any pumping or artifacts. Kind of the opposite of what the D comp generally does for me. But I'll give it a whirl when the VMu goes in for a tuneup tomorrow. I suspect it will only be on the piano about 45 seconds, but if you've got some settings that will accomplish the above - please by all means share. I want to learn. Cheers,
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Post by ab101 on Jan 9, 2023 14:00:21 GMT -6
Honestly, yes. The D-Comp. I replaced my Manley vari-mu SLAM with one. It's a totally different thing, but the results are pretty rad! You can bring the piano right up in your face without cranking it in your mix. that's kind of the opposite of what I want. I want to control transients, make the piano richer sounding, not make the piano aggressive or in your face, minimally to moderately pull up the low level stuff, and not hear any pumping or artifacts. Kind of the opposite of what the D comp generally does for me. But I'll give it a whirl when the VMu goes in for a tuneup tomorrow. I suspect it will only be on the piano about 45 seconds, but if you've got some settings that will accomplish the above - please by all means share. I want to learn. Cheers, Dave Hill Titan comps.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 9, 2023 14:04:33 GMT -6
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jan 9, 2023 14:14:42 GMT -6
Promoter's guest house? I need to switch genres, because I've been lucky to get the promoter's COUCH. No kidding man. The people that run these house shows have things like guest houses. It's the NPR set. It's not my genre either. But maybe it should be!
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Post by seawell on Jan 9, 2023 14:16:16 GMT -6
P.S. What compressors do you have for stereo piano capture now? (just wondering. so I can recommend which ones you need and how I can help you buy them) I've only found one that works for me consistently, and unfortunately for me, right now, it's got to go into the shop for a retube and recalibration. If you've got other options, let me know please. Its the only thing I've got that elegantly catches those leading edge transients that eat up headroom and cause instantaneously, and random glitch bits of distortion. Manley VariMu. A pair of RS124 is the pinnacle on piano for me. I wonder how a Retro Revolver would do just to cut down on cost & rack space a bit?
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jan 9, 2023 14:17:17 GMT -6
Honestly, yes. The D-Comp. I replaced my Manley vari-mu SLAM with one. It's a totally different thing, but the results are pretty rad! You can bring the piano right up in your face without cranking it in your mix. that's kind of the opposite of what I want. I want to control transients, make the piano richer sounding, not make the piano aggressive or in your face, minimally to moderately pull up the low level stuff, and not hear any pumping or artifacts. Kind of the opposite of what the D comp generally does for me. But I'll give it a whirl when the VMu goes in for a tuneup tomorrow. I suspect it will only be on the piano about 45 seconds, but if you've got some settings that will accomplish the above - please by all means share. I want to learn. Cheers, You should listen to the new Daniel Lanois album for sonic inspiration. It's a piano album and his idea was to get the piano to sound like pre-pop/jazz when the style was soft attack and saturated beauty.
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Post by drbill on Jan 9, 2023 14:19:04 GMT -6
Never used one. Could be great? Dunno. For me, visually, it's too busy. I like the classic elegant look of the Manley. Easy for me to visualize without a dozen LED's looking back.
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Post by drbill on Jan 9, 2023 14:20:00 GMT -6
Will check those out. [edit]. Checked em out. I personally am looking for a tube vibe vs. VCA tonality, but I'm sure they are awesome!! Hope to hear them at some point. Price wise, they are pushing close to a Manley too.... Also, I really like the one unit / stereo aspect of the Manley. Very easy to me to use in stereo (which I mostly do), but equally adept at dual mono if needed..... Thanks for the tip.
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