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Post by ericn on Dec 30, 2022 22:55:36 GMT -6
Yeah I would want a demo on a used pair, their is just to much that can go wrong and look good in a photo. Basically what I said in my email to him. Historically I’ve just tried to blast some full frequency tracks to see if I can hear anything blown out. Seems to work. What’s the more scientific approach? Sine wave sweep? On the quick yeah a sine wave sweep, a bit of clean music and a bit of dynamic music you know. Simple phone App and a line out adaptor. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2022 1:17:32 GMT -6
The biggest limitations of a 2 way are either LF response or Midrange distortion. It’s always a trade off. But if you go in with that in mind go go LF limited 2 way and add decent subs your golden. The only real problem is mid distortion at high SPL. Remember the majority of large studio Mains are 2 way designs with subs. I know, although you wouldn't run close nearfields at high SPL unless you want to go deaf and the lowest frequency range required is a personal requirement. In my room the Core 59's placed up against a boundary stretch down to about 31Hz, that amount of bass in some locations could cause more headaches than it's worth. I'm long past the small room / small speakers myth but there is a limit to that hypothesis. You can always check the low end on headphones and LMF / mid's are generally more critical.
In a 15X11 room there's no reason not to get a full range 3-way system, both the ATC SCM 25's and Core 59's worked best in a room not much bigger than gravesnumber9's. The biggest issue with 3-ways is their listening distance vs. summation, I've said before that the 59's which are midfields wouldn't even sum at the OP's distance. That's why you should always read the manual and try them in your own space. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 31, 2022 2:43:01 GMT -6
Actually, Reading between the lines, i wondered about cya, misleading the reader about hiw the monitors were used: how large is that room in the pic?
There is a yt video of a guy in a good studio talking about how he had to get his lyd repaired on his dime as Dyn felt he had defeated the extension setting and overdriven them.
Demo for sure !
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Post by ericn on Dec 31, 2022 9:54:03 GMT -6
The biggest limitations of a 2 way are either LF response or Midrange distortion. It’s always a trade off. But if you go in with that in mind go go LF limited 2 way and add decent subs your golden. The only real problem is mid distortion at high SPL. Remember the majority of large studio Mains are 2 way designs with subs. I know, although you wouldn't run close nearfields at high SPL unless you want to go deaf and the lowest frequency range required is a personal requirement. In my room the Core 59's placed up against a boundary stretch down to about 31Hz, that amount of bass in some locations could cause more headaches than it's worth. I'm long past the small room / small speakers myth but there is a limit to that hypothesis. You can always check the low end on headphones and LMF / mid's are generally more critical.
In a 15X11 room there's no reason not to get a full range 3-way system, both the ATC SCM 25's and Core 59's worked best in a room not much bigger than gravesnumber9's. The biggest issue with 3-ways is their listening distance vs. summation, I've said before that the 59's which are midfields wouldn't even sum at the OP's distance. That's why you should always read the manual and try them in your own space. Gee Danny you can tell we might talk to much your repeating all my stuff about acoustical summation my friend😁 The the part about LF in small rooms and the Myth of speaker size vs room size. The thing is between DSP and room treatments we can deal with a lot of the problems in LF response it also helps that they are predictable! The size Myth, well what do we mean ? Cabinet size? Nominal LF driver size? Actual radiating surface of LF driver ( we do have a spec for that)? Really back to your thing about LF performance and room limitations we should be looking at LF response vs room size and DSP capacity. |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Dec 31, 2022 10:55:37 GMT -6
Actually, Reading between the lines, i wondered about cya, misleading the reader about hiw the monitors were used: how large is that room in the pic? There is a yt video of a guy in a good studio talking about how he had to get his lyd repaired on his dime as Dyn felt he had defeated the extension setting and overdriven them. Demo for sure ! Dude was way nicer in e-mail than he was in the posting. I’m gonna check them out in his studio on Tuesday. So we’ll see! |
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 31, 2022 11:33:00 GMT -6
Excellent: fingers crossed!
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 31, 2022 11:45:38 GMT -6
Ps I’m jaf, cus I’m being a good boy and starting to pay off my tax debt, lyd48’s would be a lot mo fun !  |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Dec 31, 2022 12:02:04 GMT -6
Ps I’m jaf, cus I’m being a good boy and starting to pay off my tax debt, lyd48’s would be a lot mo fun ! This is actually kind of a reward. Waited until my monitors crapped out and I'm using some licensing money to pay for them. So going old school "buy only what you can afford" style. Go figure. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2022 17:11:52 GMT -6
You can tell we might talk to much your repeating all my stuff about acoustical summation my friend😁 What can I say? You give good advice and I find it true in the real world. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2023 14:45:13 GMT -6
The Lyd48's are very popular around here, what about these two ways? I tried to do a search and they seem to be literally never mentioned. I'm one of those that sits about 4 feet from my monitors (1.2 meters if you prefer  ) and I'm just not sure a three way speaker would work in my setup. Thoughts? This might tickle ya, so I've rotated the baffle on the 59's, sat them horizontally (10cm from wall up against treatment, 60 degree angle), desk setting with wall boundary and moved it back into my old smaller room, they're in full summation at 110CM that's less than 4ft away. Rew and Arc is happy plus they sound mind blowing. I've got a another 3M behind me to mess around with but I'm happy here..
I could not get them to do that originally, so turns out these 26KG (each) nearly 4 foot long behemoth's are pretty cool even right up close. Food for thought aye?
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jan 3, 2023 14:53:31 GMT -6
The Lyd48's are very popular around here, what about these two ways? I tried to do a search and they seem to be literally never mentioned. I'm one of those that sits about 4 feet from my monitors (1.2 meters if you prefer ) and I'm just not sure a three way speaker would work in my setup. Thoughts? This might tickle ya, so I've rotated the baffle on the 59's, sat them horizontally (10cm from wall up against treatment, 60 degree angle), desk setting with wall boundary and moved it back into my old smaller room, they're in full summation at 110CM that's less than 4ft away. Rew and Arc is happy plus they sound mind blowing. I've got a another 3M behind me to mess around with but I'm happy here..
I could not get them to do that originally, so turns out these 26KG (each) nearly 4 foot long behemoth's are pretty cool even right up close. Food for thought aye?
There was a hot second when I considered the Core 59's under some sort of fever brain logic that I can't even recall. But they are big boy speakers physically, not just cost wise. Interesting that they're faring so well in what is really a near field scenario. Just goes to show, you don't really know until you set 'em up. I ended up pulling the trigger on a set of KH 310's from Vintage King. If I hate 'em, I can rent some LYD 48's here in town to A/B test and maybe return for the LYD's. But I have a feeling I'm going to like these Neumann's. And if so, happy to be done with Monitors for a while. In fact, I'm feeling pretty great about my overall setup. I don't really feel like I'm missing anything that I could reasonably make justifiable use of both in terms of cost/value and (maybe even moreso) space. No really. This time for real. I mean it this time! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2023 15:00:45 GMT -6
There was a hot second when I considered the Core 59's under some sort of fever brain logic that I can't even recall. But they are big boy speakers physically, not just cost wise. Interesting that they're faring so well in what is really a near field scenario. Just goes to show, you don't really know until you set 'em up. I ended up pulling the trigger on a set of KH 310's from Vintage King. If I hate 'em, I can rent some LYD 48's here in town to A/B test and maybe return for the LYD's. But I have a feeling I'm going to like these Neumann's. And if so, happy to be done with Monitors for a while. In fact, I'm feeling pretty great about my overall setup. I don't really feel like I'm missing anything that I could reasonably make justifiable use of both in terms of cost/value and (maybe even moreso) space. No really. This time for real. I mean it this time!
Lol, this time. This time.. I like the KH310's even if Dan doesn't  .. I will say, some find the KH310's misleading because they're a bit soft but I personally adapted to them without much issue. The Core 59's though sheesh, they're a no brainer for those who hate their bank account. Besides ATC SL's or upper end PSI there ain't much like them..
I will warn you though I'm in a detached house, you cannot use these in an apartment, semi or terrace. The bass just shakes your teeth..
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jan 3, 2023 17:07:06 GMT -6
There was a hot second when I considered the Core 59's under some sort of fever brain logic that I can't even recall. But they are big boy speakers physically, not just cost wise. Interesting that they're faring so well in what is really a near field scenario. Just goes to show, you don't really know until you set 'em up. I ended up pulling the trigger on a set of KH 310's from Vintage King. If I hate 'em, I can rent some LYD 48's here in town to A/B test and maybe return for the LYD's. But I have a feeling I'm going to like these Neumann's. And if so, happy to be done with Monitors for a while. In fact, I'm feeling pretty great about my overall setup. I don't really feel like I'm missing anything that I could reasonably make justifiable use of both in terms of cost/value and (maybe even moreso) space. No really. This time for real. I mean it this time!
Lol, this time. This time.. I like the KH310's even if Dan doesn't .. I will say, some find the KH310's misleading because they're a bit soft but I personally adapted to them without much issue. The Core 59's though sheesh, they're a no brainer for those who hate their bank account. Besides ATC SL's or upper end PSI there ain't much like them..
I will warn you though I'm in a detached house, you cannot use these in an apartment, semi or terrace. The bass just shakes your teeth..
In my quest to avoid financial comfort, I really did almost go for the Core 59's. But in the end I realized they would be kind of absurdly large for a 15'x11' room. Like forebodingly large. A looming force of sonic criticism casting a shadow across the room. On the Neumann's, I kind of hope they are a bit soft. I tend to mix a bit light on the high end because I have very sensitive high freq hearing (and very poor low freq hearing, reverse slope hearing disorder) so that might not be the worst thing for me. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2023 17:15:56 GMT -6
Lol, this time. This time.. I like the KH310's even if Dan doesn't .. I will say, some find the KH310's misleading because they're a bit soft but I personally adapted to them without much issue. The Core 59's though sheesh, they're a no brainer for those who hate their bank account. Besides ATC SL's or upper end PSI there ain't much like them..
I will warn you though I'm in a detached house, you cannot use these in an apartment, semi or terrace. The bass just shakes your teeth..
In my quest to avoid financial comfort, I really did almost go for the Core 59's. But in the end I realized they would be kind of absurdly large for a 15'x11' room. Like forebodingly large. A looming force of sonic criticism casting a shadow across the room. On the Neumann's, I kind of hope they are a bit soft. I tend to mix a bit light on the high end because I have very sensitive high freq hearing (and very poor low freq hearing, reverse slope hearing disorder) so that might not be the worst thing for me. Hate to say it chief but my current room is 15X13 and in my 26 X 17 room they did not work all that well in the latter (mainly due to room treament and the associated costs). So, we're not miles apart.. If you can get the 59's over the KH310's or LYD 48's don't hesitate. I've also got a ring in my ears (I'm very sensitive to high frequencies) and they sound natural as heck to me (unless the songs sucks)..
Sorry to pull threads but ha, there really isn't much comparison between the two. For the recent cost of the KH310's I wouldn't even consider them, they were fine when they cost nearly $2K less but at 4.5 - 4.9K or whatever there's no chance..
*Push, push hehehehe... I need someone else to extole the virtue's of the 59's.. Do it, do it, doooo it...
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jan 3, 2023 17:28:51 GMT -6
In my quest to avoid financial comfort, I really did almost go for the Core 59's. But in the end I realized they would be kind of absurdly large for a 15'x11' room. Like forebodingly large. A looming force of sonic criticism casting a shadow across the room. On the Neumann's, I kind of hope they are a bit soft. I tend to mix a bit light on the high end because I have very sensitive high freq hearing (and very poor low freq hearing, reverse slope hearing disorder) so that might not be the worst thing for me. Hate to say it chief but my current room is 15X13 and in my 26 X 17 room they did not work all that well in the latter (mainly due to room treament and the associated costs). So, we're not miles apart.. If you can get the 59's over the KH310's or LYD 48's don't hesitate. I've also got a ring in my ears (I'm very sensitive to high frequencies) and they sound natural as heck to me (unless the songs sucks)..
Sorry to pull threads but ha, there really isn't much comparison between the two. For the recent cost of the KH310's I wouldn't even consider them, they were fine when they cost nearly $2K less but at 4.5 - 4.9K or whatever there's no chance..
*Push, push hehehehe... I need someone else to extole the virtue's of the 59's.. Do it, do it, doooo it...
Maybe your room is less crowded than mine, I'm gear to the gills up in here as it is. You did manage to tempt me enough to check the financing options though. Thanks to VK's 48 months no interest, it's about half the monthly payment for the Neumann's as if I did the 24 month no interest I could do on the Core's. My super sound financial logic on the 310's was that I could cancel enough recurring crap I was paying for but not using and basically get new monitors for "free". Maybe when I can finally move my mixing room out of my house and into a detached space on my property. Man... you guys are the worst. Oh yeah, I also threw in a Tegeler Creme RC into the mix. I don't know. Maybe shopping on NYE isn't so smart! |
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Post by EmRR on Jan 4, 2023 22:35:18 GMT -6
Yeah I would want a demo on a used pair, their is just to much that can go wrong and look good in a photo. Basically what I said in my email to him. Historically I’ve just tried to blast some full frequency tracks to see if I can hear anything blown out. Seems to work. What’s the more scientific approach? Sine wave sweep? Dynamic solo piano will point out driver problems better than anything. |
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Post by ericn on Jan 5, 2023 8:04:55 GMT -6
Basically what I said in my email to him. Historically I’ve just tried to blast some full frequency tracks to see if I can hear anything blown out. Seems to work. What’s the more scientific approach? Sine wave sweep? Dynamic solo piano will point out driver problems better than anything. I always try to use some very clean male and female voices because for me they point out mid and lower tweeter problems very quickly. One thing I have noticed on a couple of EBay listings lately is guys try to sell mid level speakers with non appropriate generic replacement drivers. |
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Post by mcirish on Jan 5, 2023 11:17:27 GMT -6
In my quest to avoid financial comfort, I really did almost go for the Core 59's. But in the end I realized they would be kind of absurdly large for a 15'x11' room. Like forebodingly large. A looming force of sonic criticism casting a shadow across the room. On the Neumann's, I kind of hope they are a bit soft. I tend to mix a bit light on the high end because I have very sensitive high freq hearing (and very poor low freq hearing, reverse slope hearing disorder) so that might not be the worst thing for me. Hate to say it chief but my current room is 15X13 and in my 26 X 17 room they did not work all that well in the latter (mainly due to room treament and the associated costs). So, we're not miles apart.. If you can get the 59's over the KH310's or LYD 48's don't hesitate. I've also got a ring in my ears (I'm very sensitive to high frequencies) and they sound natural as heck to me (unless the songs sucks)..
Sorry to pull threads but ha, there really isn't much comparison between the two. For the recent cost of the KH310's I wouldn't even consider them, they were fine when they cost nearly $2K less but at 4.5 - 4.9K or whatever there's no chance..
*Push, push hehehehe... I need someone else to extole the virtue's of the 59's.. Do it, do it, doooo it...
Stop all this talk about the 59's! I've wanted them since they came out. I'm on LYD48's and love them but the extra something that the 59's have would really be nice. I just wish they were not so expensive. Then again, I'm looking at a mandocello right now that would cost me $5200, so I think my priorities must be messed up. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 5, 2023 11:52:21 GMT -6
Ha, guess cus of this thread: have been out demoing lower priced monitors: mackie,yamaha, krk, adam, gen and today finally a pair of dyn lyd-7.
For my money the best: clear smooth top, detailed and linear mids, tight and clear bass.
Good dsp control.
Store was supposed to have a pair of discounted lyd-7, but can’t seem to find them: drag.
Would still like to redemo the lyd-48’s, not many stores have them in stock: drag.
Anyway, bet the lyd-8 sound great, but with more lower bass presence.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jan 5, 2023 12:20:29 GMT -6
Ha, guess cus of this thread: have been out demoing lower priced monitors: mackie,yamaha, krk, adam, gen and today finally a pair of dyn lyd-7. For my money the best: clear smooth top, detailed and linear mids, tight and clear bass. Good dsp control. Store was supposed to have a pair of discounted lyd-7, but can’t seem to find them: drag. Would still like to redemo the lyd-48’s, not many stores have them in stock: drag. Anyway, bet the lyd-8 sound great, but with more lower bass presence. Check your PMs |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2023 15:07:55 GMT -6
Stop all this talk about the 59's! I've wanted them since they came out. I'm on LYD48's and love them but the extra something that the 59's have would really be nice. I just wish they were not so expensive. Then again, I'm looking at a mandocello right now that would cost me $5200, so I think my priorities must be messed up. Nope, I'm hoping that Dynaudio will pay me a dollar everytime I say Dynaudio. You see the Dynaudio Core 59's are "end game" monitors, so blow off that worthless mandocello (unless it's made by Dynaudio obviously) and go to your local Dynaudio specialist center ASAP. Right, I'll send Dynaudio an invoice for $6.00..
Joking aside, you know my stance on it. They're great monitors but it's not like you can't do excellent work on the KH310's or LYD 48's, I wouldn't cripple myself fiscally for them.. Although again, with the price hikes on the 310's recently I wouldn't skip past PSI or the Core 59's either.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 6, 2023 13:09:42 GMT -6
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Post by ericn on Jan 6, 2023 16:08:04 GMT -6
Well big would have been the custom HQ 410’s that are no longer on EBAY with the volt mid, but not bad the price pre insanity inflation feels high. But now probably about right.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 6, 2023 16:13:37 GMT -6
I just meant price vs OP’s ask: almost double ! |
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 7, 2023 7:14:53 GMT -6
Many peeps dream ! |
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