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Post by gravesnumber9 on Dec 29, 2022 21:10:32 GMT -6
The Lyd48's are very popular around here, what about these two ways? I tried to do a search and they seem to be literally never mentioned. I'm one of those that sits about 4 feet from my monitors (1.2 meters if you prefer  ) and I'm just not sure a three way speaker would work in my setup. Thoughts? |
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Post by phdamage on Dec 29, 2022 21:31:12 GMT -6
I don’t think I’m too much farther from mine than you and I’m rocking LYD48s. Really dig them. They’re very compact. I’ve never felt like it was a problem I was so close
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 30, 2022 3:46:28 GMT -6
If possible demo them both, different prices, but when you hear the presence of the mid and increased bass clarity of the 48 vs a two way, other than price , be very surprised if you don’t prefer the 48’s.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 30, 2022 7:26:57 GMT -6
Launch vid from 2016
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 30, 2022 7:35:43 GMT -6
More info:
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Dec 30, 2022 9:14:11 GMT -6
Austin is not a good area for demo-ing high end stuff. It’s pretty much buy and return. Which is viable but kind of stinks.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2022 10:59:00 GMT -6
If possible demo them both, different prices, but when you hear the presence of the mid and increased bass clarity of the 48 vs a two way, other than price , be very surprised if you don’t prefer the 48’s. There's nothing wrong with a 2-way if it's done right, the Core 7's and PSI A21-M's are impressive (if not expensive). Certainly a step up from the LYD's, when it come's to the LYD 7's (because that's only other one in the range that I tested) I thought they were good. Not excellent, not reaching beyond the competition for their price but they were pretty neutral, had a phantom centre (even if the sweetspot was a bit tight) and they did the job.
Although if someone said to me do you want the LYD 7's or the 48's it wouldn't take much consideration, especially as the 48's work well up close. They're not near / midfields whatever the manual says, they work best around 1 - 1.5M.
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Post by ericn on Dec 30, 2022 11:13:43 GMT -6
If possible demo them both, different prices, but when you hear the presence of the mid and increased bass clarity of the 48 vs a two way, other than price , be very surprised if you don’t prefer the 48’s. There's nothing wrong with a 2-way if it's done right, the Core 7's and PSI A21-M's are impressive (if not expensive). Certainly a step up from the LYD's, when it come's to the LYD 7's (because that's only other one in the range that I tested) I thought they were good. Not excellent, not reaching beyond the competition for their price but they were pretty neutral, had a phantom centre (even if the sweetspot was a bit tight) and they did the job.
Although if someone said to me do you want the LYD 7's or the 48's it wouldn't take much consideration, especially as the 48's work well up close. They're not near / midfields whatever the manual says, they work best around 1 - 1.5M.
The biggest limitations of a 2 way are either LF response or Midrange distortion. It’s always a trade off. But if you go in with that in mind go go LF limited 2 way and add decent subs your golden. The only real problem is mid distortion at high SPL. Remember the majority of large studio Mains are 2 way designs with subs. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 30, 2022 11:17:38 GMT -6
True but I find the 2 way smaller boxes have a tendency towards more resonance mid rangy sound. I don’t recall hearing that quality in the lyd48’s !
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Post by ericn on Dec 30, 2022 12:02:13 GMT -6
True but I find the 2 way smaller boxes have a tendency towards more resonance mid rangy sound. I don’t recall hearing that quality in the lyd48’s ! Yeah I get that, in the pro market because in general near field 2 ways are smaller cabinets and aimed at a budget. unlike some of the pricey audiophile 2 ways you don’t see a ton of bracing in side the cabinets. There is also this myth that fiberboard doesn’t need bracing because it resonates less, it doesn’t it resonates differently. One other contributor is that over the last 20 years as Chinese driver manufacturers have taken over and actual driver dimensions have become more proprietary, there is less isolation between a driver frame and the cabinets. Yesterday I was marveling at the cork around the bolt circle of a 20 year old PAS vs the thin rubber gasket on a new Perless woofer that if you slightly over cut the opening for would be completely ineffective. When I ever get the CNC I am going to look into cutting custom driver gaskets. There is also one area even high dollar manufacturers miss quite often and ( I have embarrassed a few with this) if they are using a sealed back tweeter without its own chamber in a 2 way cabinet, there is probably no gasket a circle of acoustic caulk can make a major improvement. ( sealing all seams in a NS10 or the Pregnant JBL’s). |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Dec 30, 2022 12:29:53 GMT -6
If possible demo them both, different prices, but when you hear the presence of the mid and increased bass clarity of the 48 vs a two way, other than price , be very surprised if you don’t prefer the 48’s. There's nothing wrong with a 2-way if it's done right, the Core 7's and PSI A21-M's are impressive (if not expensive). Certainly a step up from the LYD's, when it come's to the LYD 7's (because that's only other one in the range that I tested) I thought they were good. Not excellent, not reaching beyond the competition for their price but they were pretty neutral, had a phantom centre (even if the sweetspot was a bit tight) and they did the job.
Although if someone said to me do you want the LYD 7's or the 48's it wouldn't take much consideration, especially as the 48's work well up close. They're not near / midfields whatever the manual says, they work best around 1 - 1.5M.
Floor demo pair of Lyd 8’s for $1k is tempting. Looking at BM6a as well as BM15a and Lyd 48. Woofer blown on my KRK VXT6 (from age, not from kickin’ the low end) and definitely not worth repairing. I’m in a 15’x11’ room monitoring at about 4 feet distance. Monitors two feet from treated back wall. Indie rock and singer songwriter stuff. |
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Post by Quint on Dec 30, 2022 12:38:14 GMT -6
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Dec 30, 2022 12:43:06 GMT -6
Nice! That’s gotta be new in the last year. Never seen Dynaudio there before. That’s my go-to place to try stuff out. Good find. |
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Post by Quint on Dec 30, 2022 12:48:50 GMT -6
Nice! That’s gotta be new in the last year. Never seen Dynaudio there before. That’s my go-to place to try stuff out. Good find. I was gonna rent a pair of the 48s from there to demo, but then Vintage King just sold me a pair along with a pair of the KH310s and said to just send the pair back that I didn't want to keep. I liked both, but I kept the KH310s. RnR Rentals is good though. I've rented stuff from there before. I do wish they had a more diverse guitar selection. They have a ton of Fenders, but not as much from other brands. For guitar pedals though, they have a huge selection. They have a pretty decent selection of recording gear too. |
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Post by ericn on Dec 30, 2022 13:06:06 GMT -6
There's nothing wrong with a 2-way if it's done right, the Core 7's and PSI A21-M's are impressive (if not expensive). Certainly a step up from the LYD's, when it come's to the LYD 7's (because that's only other one in the range that I tested) I thought they were good. Not excellent, not reaching beyond the competition for their price but they were pretty neutral, had a phantom centre (even if the sweetspot was a bit tight) and they did the job.
Although if someone said to me do you want the LYD 7's or the 48's it wouldn't take much consideration, especially as the 48's work well up close. They're not near / midfields whatever the manual says, they work best around 1 - 1.5M.
Floor demo pair of Lyd 8’s for $1k is tempting. Looking at BM6a as well as BM15a and Lyd 48. Woofer blown on my KRK VXT6 (from age, not from kickin’ the low end) and definitely not worth repairing. I’m in a 15’x11’ room monitoring at about 4 feet distance. Monitors two feet from treated back wall. Indie rock and singer songwriter stuff. At under a $100 I would buy a new woofer for the KRK’s www.fullcompass.com/prod/513874-krk-wofk6030m1-6-woofer-for-vxt-6-backorderedMuch easier to learn new monitors if you have the old ones. Plus you can sell the KRKs if you decide you don’t need them. Yeah the link is my old employer, not an endorsement just the first thing that popped up on Google, if your in a metropolitan area see if there is a speaker repair place there might be a less expensive recone, but at $100 I doubt you can do better with labor. Okay put another way if the recone kit was $50, I wouldn’t want anyone who would recone for less than $50 that wasn’t a friend doing it! |
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 30, 2022 15:22:03 GMT -6
@quinn deciding factor for keeping was ?
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Dec 30, 2022 16:51:51 GMT -6
Floor demo pair of Lyd 8’s for $1k is tempting. Looking at BM6a as well as BM15a and Lyd 48. Woofer blown on my KRK VXT6 (from age, not from kickin’ the low end) and definitely not worth repairing. I’m in a 15’x11’ room monitoring at about 4 feet distance. Monitors two feet from treated back wall. Indie rock and singer songwriter stuff. At under a $100 I would buy a new woofer for the KRK’s www.fullcompass.com/prod/513874-krk-wofk6030m1-6-woofer-for-vxt-6-backorderedMuch easier to learn new monitors if you have the old ones. Plus you can sell the KRKs if you decide you don’t need them. Yeah the link is my old employer, not an endorsement just the first thing that popped up on Google, if your in a metropolitan area see if there is a speaker repair place there might be a less expensive recone, but at $100 I doubt you can do better with labor. Okay put another way if the recone kit was $50, I wouldn’t want anyone who would recone for less than $50 that wasn’t a friend doing it! Good point. Part is back ordered but point remains. Not just gonna junk the KRK’s, I’ll probably re-home them to my rehearsal space. |
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Post by Quint on Dec 30, 2022 17:17:11 GMT -6
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Dec 30, 2022 18:04:06 GMT -6
Read that thread a few days ago. Very informative. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2022 18:18:02 GMT -6
There's nothing wrong with a 2-way if it's done right, the Core 7's and PSI A21-M's are impressive (if not expensive). Certainly a step up from the LYD's, when it come's to the LYD 7's (because that's only other one in the range that I tested) I thought they were good. Not excellent, not reaching beyond the competition for their price but they were pretty neutral, had a phantom centre (even if the sweetspot was a bit tight) and they did the job.
Although if someone said to me do you want the LYD 7's or the 48's it wouldn't take much consideration, especially as the 48's work well up close. They're not near / midfields whatever the manual says, they work best around 1 - 1.5M.
Floor demo pair of Lyd 8’s for $1k is tempting. Looking at BM6a as well as BM15a and Lyd 48. Woofer blown on my KRK VXT6 (from age, not from kickin’ the low end) and definitely not worth repairing. I’m in a 15’x11’ room monitoring at about 4 feet distance. Monitors two feet from treated back wall. Indie rock and singer songwriter stuff. Why not just call Gibson and get a new woofer if they're still made? |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Dec 30, 2022 22:00:56 GMT -6
Gonna be in Houston next week so, on a whim, did a little CL search for monitors. Lo and behold, a mint pair of LYD 48 for $1700. That’s about $700 or $800 off new w/tax. Take a look at the link. Pros - Leaning towards these anyway - Good price - Easy pickup - Can probably test Cons - Can’t return - Unknown of second hand houston.craigslist.org/msg/7564653782.html |
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 30, 2022 22:25:30 GMT -6
The no haggle language is a little tedious: I hate that.
While 48’s do have low extension they are not supposed to be driven hard/loud.
Make certain you can demo and just confirm if out of warranty.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Dec 30, 2022 22:28:22 GMT -6
The no haggle language is a little tedious: I hate that. While 48’s do have low extension they are not supposed to be driven hard/loud. Make certain you can demo and just confirm if out of warranty. No kidding. Eye roll on the no haggle. On the other hand seems anal enough to take care of gear. Also selling some Genelecs and Sceptres so I’m guessing it’s a downsizing/closing. |
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Post by ericn on Dec 30, 2022 22:37:28 GMT -6
Yeah I would want a demo on a used pair, their is just to much that can go wrong and look good in a photo.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Dec 30, 2022 22:45:11 GMT -6
Yeah I would want a demo on a used pair, their is just to much that can go wrong and look good in a photo. Basically what I said in my email to him. Historically I’ve just tried to blast some full frequency tracks to see if I can hear anything blown out. Seems to work. What’s the more scientific approach? Sine wave sweep? |
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