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Post by the other mark williams on Jan 1, 2023 16:43:14 GMT -6
sampura : Sam, I want to apologize to you. I had no intention of my comments coming across harshly if they did. I especially want to say sorry about my snarky comment regarding the toms in your video. I had no idea the developer would come to the thread, but it highlights for me that it doesn't matter whether the developer comes to the thread or not - the way I spoke was unkind, and that's not cool. I sincerely apologize. I can only imagine how difficult it is to be a developer in this crowded field. The last thing you need is some yay-hoo like me spouting unkind things on a forum. I do want to address a couple things below, as well as acknowledge your patient replies: I'd forgotten about this plugin. Just watched the video, and it seems weird to not have attack & release controls on an 1176. The music in the video isn't really my style, either, and I had a hard time getting past the fact that the toms sounded as if they were recorded in a different area code than the rest of the kit. I don't know, I guess I would need to demo it on some stuff that isn't quite so dense. What did you think of it, Jesse? Hey everyone! Nice to see lots of unique subjective opinions and feedback here. I’d like to touch on a few things. 99.9% of my engineer friends who use 76 style compression generally use 4:1, slowest attack, fastest release. That is the default setting for all the 76 style compressors here because this plug-in was designed to be a fast and intuitive tool to allow users to feel confident using the available variable options to quickly make tonal adjustments and move on. The simplicity of the plugin has some of my favorite mix engineers contacting me to tell me how much they love the plugin, how easy it is to dial, and that they use 30-60 instances of it during a mix session on literally every channel. If the lack of attack, release, and ratio is a feature that makes you not interested in trying the plugin, then maybe this plugin isn’t for you! And that’s totally ok!
Fair enough - I use 1176s with those settings sometimes, as well. Not all the time, of course, but those are probably more common than any other one particular setting. I still think, though, that because you're referencing such specific compressors--clearly the Revs. A, D, and F of the 1176--there ought to be an "Advanced" panel tucked away or something with ratio, attack, and release. I mean, "All Buttons In" mode is pretty dang popular, esp. in parallel. And re: Attack/Release, there may be no other compressor more popular for manipulating the envelope of a snare than an 1176. Still, I respect your reasoning. Thanks for reading/listening. The walkthrough video and peoples comments about it are funny. What sounds good to me might not sound good to you, and what is awesome is that you have the ability to make those changes to the settings to suit your subjective opinion and get the results you desire instead of following my subjective choices. It’s disappointing to see some of the seemingly unnecessary negative digs at the music and the sounds captured but hey, people like to be aggressive and combative online where I personally like to be supportive and be best friends. That’s why I’ve developed plugins that I think sound great to me in hopes that others will enjoy using them and find their workflows and end results to be more pleasing. If you don’t, then simply maybe these aren’t for you. Regardless thanks for the feedback, support, and general interest in the plugins. Happy new year to everyone! - Sam Pura You're obviously completely right about this, Sam, and I'm terribly sorry for my snarkiness. I don't honestly expect developers to post examples from 15 different genres - that would be ridiculous. And I happen to love those tom sounds in some styles of music. Mea culpa - I hope you can excuse me for the nature of our first interaction. I hope, too, that you'll come back around to this forum when you have time. I think we all benefit when we have open, good dialogue between developers and customers. So thank you for spending part of your holidays with us. I know I for one very much look forward to checking out your plugins when I have a chance. Cheers, and Happy New Year, Sam! -Mark
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Post by tkaitkai on Jan 1, 2023 17:03:20 GMT -6
Played around with this more today and it's absolutely staying. It's just as good as any other 1176 emu — in fact, I think I like it more. The ability to quickly toggle between A/D/F + variable THD gives you a TON of tonal options that are sorely lacking with most 1176s. I totally get the complaints about no ratio/time constants, but in use, I found myself not really missing them. It sounds damn good as it is. For anyone interested, I put together a VERY rough demo using the Purafied Deathwestern amp sim the other day. I don't really make this kind of music much anymore, but I had fun with it, and I have occasional clients/projects where this will be a very useful template for drum/bass/guitar tones. Rhythm guitars are all Deathwestern.
https%3A//soundcloud.com/tkaitkai/dwrough2023
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2023 18:01:28 GMT -6
sampura , there's massive low frequency noise from unstable 32-bit floating point filters in your VU plugin at 96 khz. It is using filters that are unstable at 32-bit floating point. This isn't present in your Micro Limiter plugin or for an example from another developer that uses 32-bit filters and minimum phase anti-alias filters when oversampling, U-he plugins.
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Post by sampura on Jan 1, 2023 18:23:16 GMT -6
sampura : Sam, I want to apologize to you. I had no intention of my comments coming across harshly if they did. I especially want to say sorry about my snarky comment regarding the toms in your video. I had no idea the developer would come to the thread, but it highlights for me that it doesn't matter whether the developer comes to the thread or not - the way I spoke was unkind, and that's not cool. I sincerely apologize. I can only imagine how difficult it is to be a developer in this crowded field. The last thing you need is some yay-hoo like me spouting unkind things on a forum. I do want to address a couple things below, as well as acknowledge your patient replies: I'd forgotten about this plugin. Just watched the video, and it seems weird to not have attack & release controls on an 1176. The music in the video isn't really my style, either, and I had a hard time getting past the fact that the toms sounded as if they were recorded in a different area code than the rest of the kit. I don't know, I guess I would need to demo it on some stuff that isn't quite so dense. What did you think of it, Jesse? Hey everyone! Nice to see lots of unique subjective opinions and feedback here. I’d like to touch on a few things. 99.9% of my engineer friends who use 76 style compression generally use 4:1, slowest attack, fastest release. That is the default setting for all the 76 style compressors here because this plug-in was designed to be a fast and intuitive tool to allow users to feel confident using the available variable options to quickly make tonal adjustments and move on. The simplicity of the plugin has some of my favorite mix engineers contacting me to tell me how much they love the plugin, how easy it is to dial, and that they use 30-60 instances of it during a mix session on literally every channel. If the lack of attack, release, and ratio is a feature that makes you not interested in trying the plugin, then maybe this plugin isn’t for you! And that’s totally ok!
Fair enough - I use 1176s with those settings sometimes, as well. Not all the time, of course, but those are probably more common than any other one particular setting. I still think, though, that because you're referencing such specific compressors--clearly the Revs. A, D, and F of the 1176--there ought to be an "Advanced" panel tucked away or something with ratio, attack, and release. I mean, "All Buttons In" mode is pretty dang popular, esp. in parallel. And re: Attack/Release, there may be no other compressor more popular for manipulating the envelope of a snare than an 1176. Still, I respect your reasoning. Thanks for reading/listening. The walkthrough video and peoples comments about it are funny. What sounds good to me might not sound good to you, and what is awesome is that you have the ability to make those changes to the settings to suit your subjective opinion and get the results you desire instead of following my subjective choices. It’s disappointing to see some of the seemingly unnecessary negative digs at the music and the sounds captured but hey, people like to be aggressive and combative online where I personally like to be supportive and be best friends. That’s why I’ve developed plugins that I think sound great to me in hopes that others will enjoy using them and find their workflows and end results to be more pleasing. If you don’t, then simply maybe these aren’t for you. Regardless thanks for the feedback, support, and general interest in the plugins. Happy new year to everyone! - Sam Pura You're obviously completely right about this, Sam, and I'm terribly sorry for my snarkiness. I don't honestly expect developers to post examples from 15 different genres - that would be ridiculous. And I happen to love those tom sounds in some styles of music. Mea culpa - I hope you can excuse me for the nature of our first interaction. I hope, too, that you'll come back around to this forum when you have time. I think we all benefit when we have open, good dialogue between developers and customers. So thank you for spending part of your holidays with us. I know I for one very much look forward to checking out your plugins when I have a chance. Cheers, and Happy New Year, Sam! -Mark Look at us! Best friends! I really appreciate your feedback and do see the potential value in some type of back panel with variable options etc. It is worth considering and discussing with the Purafied team so I appreciate that! The goal would be intuitive and quick workflows for all users without creating an additional and perhaps annoying workflow for "tweakers" (I don't mean that offensively) to have to use and access. Cheers! |
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Post by sampura on Jan 1, 2023 18:24:21 GMT -6
Played around with this more today and it's absolutely staying. It's just as good as any other 1176 emu — in fact, I think I like it more. The ability to quickly toggle between A/D/F + variable THD gives you a TON of tonal options that are sorely lacking with most 1176s. I totally get the complaints about no ratio/time constants, but in use, I found myself not really missing them. It sounds damn good as it is. For anyone interested, I put together a VERY rough demo using the Purafied Deathwestern amp sim the other day. I don't really make this kind of music much anymore, but I had fun with it, and I have occasional clients/projects where this will be a very useful template for drum/bass/guitar tones. Rhythm guitars are all Deathwestern.
https%3A//soundcloud.com/tkaitkai/dwrough2023
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Post by sampura on Jan 1, 2023 18:26:14 GMT -6
sampura , there's massive low frequency noise from unstable 32-bit floating point filters in your VU plugin at 96 khz. It is using filters that are unstable at 32-bit floating point. This isn't present in your Micro Limiter plugin or for an example from another developer that uses 32-bit filters and minimum phase anti-alias filters when oversampling, U-he plugins. Oh no! That's not fun to hear and I'm sorry about that! Thanks for pointing this out! Do you have any screenshots or audio files you can post for me to reference and share with the Purafied team? I know we would all appreciate any sort of detailed examples for us to recreate and measure on our end here. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2023 20:19:24 GMT -6
sampura , there's massive low frequency noise from unstable 32-bit floating point filters in your VU plugin at 96 khz. It is using filters that are unstable at 32-bit floating point. This isn't present in your Micro Limiter plugin or for an example from another developer that uses 32-bit filters and minimum phase anti-alias filters when oversampling, U-he plugins. Oh no! That's not fun to hear and I'm sorry about that! Thanks for pointing this out! Do you have any screenshots or audio files you can post for me to reference and share with the Purafied team? I know we would all appreciate any sort of detailed examples for us to recreate and measure on our end here. all images at 88.2 khz with 16x oversampling on your plugins kick up to when I would use the 1176/160/molot for knock  kick with 10 db off on rev f. note the raised low end  "silenct" passage on the kick recording  vu "silence". see the low end noise  micro limiter "silence"  molot on insane "silence". not volume matched to the others but what i am using in the mix  vu 70 hz with 10 db off in plugin doctor  vu 1 khz with 10 db off in plugin doctor. it's not frequency dependent and you can watch the filters' instability here  micro limiter 1 khz with a lot off in plugin doctor. stable filters.  symphony ecs channel strip default state at 1khz. another plugin with unstable filters in the eq and drive sections. the effect on the silent passage of the kick track is the same as vu but i closed reaper before i could take a screenshot  |
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Post by sampura on Jan 1, 2023 20:46:13 GMT -6
Do you happen to have audio examples you can provide that correlate with each screenshot?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2023 20:53:15 GMT -6
Do you happen to have audio examples you can provide that correlate with each screenshot? No. It is an unreleased recording I don't have any rights to. |
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Post by sampura on Jan 1, 2023 20:54:58 GMT -6
Ok well thanks for the data and the effort and checking out the plug-ins!
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Post by msamper on Jan 2, 2023 10:44:41 GMT -6
I just bought the Liquid Death Snare Plugin for 0.00 USD. Is it supposed to be free ??  It is damn goood !!!! |
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Post by sampura on Jan 2, 2023 14:57:19 GMT -6
Glad to hear that! It is no mistake! The plugin was our introductory plugin and collaboration with Liquid Death that we plan to keep $0 for as long as possible!
It's also a sneak peek / introduction into the tuning features of our upcoming drum library that will be available in Q1 of 2023!
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Post by schmalzy on Jan 9, 2023 6:18:54 GMT -6
Just used the Deathwestern amp sim today on a modern rock song. It was great! It's super useful on lead/texture guitars. One was a countermelody and one was a texture/density thing. Both turned out great and we'll see what the artist says.
I used the built-in cab for one track and an outside IR for the other. The amp sounded great and behaved in both situations.
Worthwhile to note: Sam makes records that stand up to anything else in the loud rock/pop rock/punk/hardcore areas. The more intense range of those styles often require aggressive processing in tracking and in mixing (especially in compression). It doesn't surprise me this compressor plugin tends to be a little more aggressive.
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Anyone checked this out? Mostly curious about the 3a…
Hey everyone!
It is damn goood !!!!