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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 24, 2022 19:02:53 GMT -6
The Hedd Type 20's and the quested h208's are definitely intriguing to me. Wish I could find a pair of those H208's. I'll have to keep an eye out, thanks! That linked pair of 208's is for sale, no?
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Post by noob on Dec 24, 2022 19:27:46 GMT -6
The Hedd Type 20's and the quested h208's are definitely intriguing to me. Wish I could find a pair of those H208's. I'll have to keep an eye out, thanks! That linked pair of 208's is for sale, no? I don't think so, unless I'm missing something. The website says "product out of stock."
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Post by ericn on Dec 24, 2022 19:31:29 GMT -6
The Hedd Type 20's and the quested h208's are definitely intriguing to me. Wish I could find a pair of those H208's. I'll have to keep an eye out, thanks! That linked pair of 208's is for sale, no? Yes they are and have me thinking humm how much could I get for mine? How much could I sell my DIY tweaked version as kits?
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Post by noob on Dec 24, 2022 19:32:59 GMT -6
I just contacted them, in case I am reading the site wrong
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 24, 2022 19:45:10 GMT -6
That linked pair of 208's is for sale, no? I don't think so, unless I'm missing something. The website says "product out of stock." Ahh, I scrolled down and saw that East Coast pickup was preferred. Didn't see the Out of Stock. Keeps me from buying them. haha
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2022 0:36:27 GMT -6
I'm not keen on the Focals or Nuemann's - I personally can't trust what those monitors are telling me - 310's too polite and a bit too soft for my ears - Focal's are too bright for me. I've not tried the Core's but Shadowk rates then highly so I'd definitely demo a pair of those. I'm considering a pair of cheaper Dynaudio's for my writing room. Yeah Focals are now either way too bright or underwater sounding. I don’t like the translation of the tweeters in their monitors. The old Solo 6 and CMS are beyond muddy too. People are talking about Dynaudio low mids here like they’re a problem. Focal tends to be that x 10. I was comparing the LYD's to monitors costing 2 - 5 times as much, probably not that fair really. I just had a look and the Neumann's are expensive at the moment, I like them but I don't think they're worth $4.4K! (4.9K on Sweetwater), when I was looking they cost about $3700.. (That's obviously a loose translation currency wise).
The Core's are excellent but they're also very expensive, the pick of the group for me are the 7's and 59's but we're talking $4.2K and $6.3K. They 7's only have a bass response of 44Hz and after considering a couple of sub's you might as well just go for the Core 59.
That's about the time you realise that the LYD 48's are a massive bargain, the Footprint 01's are a bargain as well if you like them of course.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 25, 2022 5:06:20 GMT -6
The law ( and cost) of diminishing returns or the premium for that next level sound.
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Post by noob on Dec 25, 2022 11:24:25 GMT -6
The law ( and cost) of diminishing returns or the premium for that next level sound. Yeah, the more I read online honestly, the more I think if I just save up 6 more months I could grab some used ATC SCM25's. Worth it?
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 25, 2022 11:30:58 GMT -6
At that price point, there is something to be said for a new warranty, although atc quality is great and it does have its refurb service,if you ship them overseas
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 25, 2022 11:32:24 GMT -6
Did you rule out lyd48 after actually demoing them ?
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Post by noob on Dec 25, 2022 11:41:45 GMT -6
Did you rule out lyd48 after actually demoing them ? Not yet, I plan on going and demoing a bunch soon. I have read a lot of great things about them, but a lot of people seem to say they are fatiguing, which is a red flag for me. Still gonna give them a shot!
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Post by noob on Dec 25, 2022 11:50:21 GMT -6
Also looking at the ATC SCM20's now. The rabbit hole is deep....
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Post by RealNoob on Dec 25, 2022 12:04:38 GMT -6
Did you rule out lyd48 after actually demoing them ? Not yet, I plan on going and demoing a bunch soon. I have read a lot of great things about them, but a lot of people seem to say they are fatiguing, which is a red flag for me. Still gonna give them a shot! I have the LYD 48's. Not fatiguing at all. Now my Genelec 8330As, a tad fatiguing.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 25, 2022 12:11:36 GMT -6
A dynaudio tweeter fatiguing sounds like a contradiction in terms ? Have fun !
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Post by noob on Dec 25, 2022 12:20:19 GMT -6
A dynaudio tweeter fatiguing sounds like a contradiction in terms ? Have fun ! Yeah I did think that could be the case, as I've used BM6's in the past and they weren't fatiguing at all. As always, speakers are very subjective, which is why I'm trying to collect as many opinions as possible before I narrow it down. At first I was very set on the Barefoots, but the more I read on them, the more I am swayed towards ATC, pairing them with a sub.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 25, 2022 12:30:00 GMT -6
Well, its unusual for a soft dome tweeter to be characterized as fatiguing ?
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Post by noob on Dec 25, 2022 12:38:08 GMT -6
Well, its unusual for a soft dome tweeter to be characterized as fatiguing ? Sorry, maybe I didn't communicate that right. I meant to say that I agree with you, I thought it was a weird thing for someone to say about dynaudio. Yet, this was someone who had previously been using S8's - so I too found that interesting, and a weird observation. It's good to know that others don't have that issue with them.
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Post by drumsound on Dec 25, 2022 14:52:13 GMT -6
I had someone bring in Dyn BM15s a couple of times. They sound good, and the low end it really nice, but the were very hard to listen to over time. I felt beat up after working for a few hours. They didn't SOUND harsh like NS10s or something, but I felt a similar sense of fatigue when I hit stop and took a little break.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 25, 2022 15:01:02 GMT -6
Those are older speakers now and don’t have current tweeters, thunk the represent an older perspective on high end ?
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 25, 2022 15:43:34 GMT -6
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Post by thehightenor on Dec 25, 2022 18:23:30 GMT -6
Also looking at the ATC SCM20's now. The rabbit hole is deep.... The 20's and their new sub would be a nice system but then you're into 25's money so it's a tricky one. The advantage of a 2.1 ATC system is you can build it it two parts, first buy the 20's then you can add the sub.
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Post by noob on Dec 25, 2022 18:30:45 GMT -6
Also looking at the ATC SCM20's now. The rabbit hole is deep.... The 20's and their new sub would be a nice system but then you're into 25's money so it's a tricky one. The advantage of a 2.1 ATC system is you can build it it two parts, first buy the 20's then you can add the sub. Yeah, if I go that route, I was definitely planning on starting out with a cheaper sub at first.
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Post by ericn on Dec 25, 2022 18:50:33 GMT -6
The 20's and their new sub would be a nice system but then you're into 25's money so it's a tricky one. The advantage of a 2.1 ATC system is you can build it it two parts, first buy the 20's then you can add the sub. Yeah, if I go that route, I was definitely planning on starting out with a cheaper sub at first. Better start with 2 cheaper subs and probably be done, ask BradD!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2022 22:51:45 GMT -6
The law ( and cost) of diminishing returns or the premium for that next level sound. Yeah, the more I read online honestly, the more I think if I just save up 6 more months I could grab some used ATC SCM25's. Worth it? There's a -1.5dB dark (tilt) switch on the back for the LYD's and Core's which allows you to take off some of the top end. Yes, the Dyn's are bright if the music is bright. What goes in comes out..
ATC vs. the Core's is a tricky one, they both have a microscopic midrange, they both sound natural and free of distortion, the phantom centre is strong, seperation is uncanny and the bass that they throw out is incredibly clean. The voicing / crossover is slightly different but there's not really much in it performance wise. So, it came down to a lot of third party factors..
ATC support is far better and I'd trust them to still have parts etc. well over a decade down the line. That's not something to take lightly IMO especially if you snag a good B-stock or second hand deal (I was offered a pair of ex-demo SCM 45's for under $9K). However, ATC is far more fussy about the room they're in.. These aren't Genelec's that can work well in just about any room, the Core's hang somewhere inbetween and the DSP correction filters do actually make a lot of difference. That being said if your room isn't properly treated that DSP isn't going to magically fix everything.
I noticed that the ATC's work better as nearfields than the Dyn's, said 59's work fine about 5.5 foot away in my 20X15 room but I wouldn't want to get any closer than that.
On the other hand the Core 59's are really a competitor to the SCM 45's, the ATC 25's physically do not produce enough bass to be in the running (without some subs) and there is quite a price difference. However if you ever decide to resell the ATC's then there's no competition, hardly anyone seems to care about the Core series.
In the end I went for the Core's because at the time because I got a good deal (I paid about $5.5K including taxes), I needed other stuff and I refit or upgrade every decade or so anyway. If my Dyn's crap out in the next 8 years I'm going to buy some ATC SCM110A's, if not I'll just keep using them indefinitely..
I will just say, both the Core's and ATC's are incredible monitors but they are also overkill. There's several mixers / musicians on this site and the other one that create some very high production, extensively competitive (in terms of fidelity) music on the LYD 48's. They're not or ever will be a barrier to decent sound tracks, unfortunately when I went down the ATC / Core path it was extremely difficult to unhear the differences. Don't get me wrong, I get a lot more information, it's easier to spot problems and they are fun to listen to but I can't say for certain whether it's worth it or not.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 26, 2022 3:06:05 GMT -6
Herein lies the rub:
“it was extremely difficult to unhear the differences. “
I’m ok with the better gear should sound better: its the price increases that cause me to question value: just for me.
The atc 25 are like what 100% more then the lyd48, will my mixes sound 100% better: I doubt it.
I’m sure, I would prefer the atc, cost aside but that cost is a huge barrier for me.
But, as said above, used atc could be very good value.
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