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Post by lpedrum on Dec 20, 2022 17:54:00 GMT -6
Much as I like some of my verb plugins I just don't get jazzed by them. Maybe I'm chasing something that doesn't exist, fed in part by the reality that my stereo spring reverb set up blows away any spring plugin I've tried. It's been voiced on RGO that OTB reverbs have an extra thing that's missing from plugins. If you're of that belief, what "affordable" ones do you use? I'm intrigued by the 90s Roland SRV 330. Any users out there? I got a chance to use the OTO BAM verb a couple of weeks ago in Boston. I liked it but I'm a bit put off by the fact that it's not line level.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2022 18:04:35 GMT -6
Alesis MIDIVerb II
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Post by copperx on Dec 20, 2022 18:48:10 GMT -6
I can't say I have a favorite because I only have one, the Kurzweil Rumour. It uses the algorithms of the KSP8. It's fantastic. I bought the unit a decade ago because Fletcher of the purple forum raved about the plates, and he wasn't wrong. I've experimented with recreating the sounds with the top plugins (Lexicon, UAD, Exponential, etc.) because it would be easier to use a plugin, but I can't. On the vocal plate setting that I like, it "gels" much better to the vocal than any plugin  It cost me $350 a decade ago. Here are some demos: |
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Post by tasteliketape on Dec 20, 2022 19:10:05 GMT -6
I have the Srv330 . For the price it’s a great reverb . I picked mine up several years ago it was recommended to me by Ray Kennedy Room & Board studios .
It’s not a Lexicon, but still very useable .
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Post by robo on Dec 20, 2022 19:38:22 GMT -6
Guitar pedals? If you’re looking for something unique and characterful I think this is the way to go. I have an Earthquaker Labs Afterneath patched in pretty frequently along with others.
If you’re looking for realistic spaces or expensive-sounding verbs, I think there’s plenty to choose from in pluginland.
I will say that when I bother patching in my old Behringer V-Verb or ART FXR Elite I usually find something useful. Pretty sure those can be found cheaply.
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Post by prene1 on Dec 20, 2022 20:06:18 GMT -6
CXM1978
Spectular Tempest
OTO BAM
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Post by mattbroiler on Dec 20, 2022 20:08:28 GMT -6
Alesis Microverbs 1 2 and 4
Lexicon MX200
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Post by subspace on Dec 21, 2022 8:14:24 GMT -6
Lexicon NuVerb, technically not OTB I guess, but it is in a different, much older box. Used to be considered kind of a hassle to keep a spare Nubus Mac around to run it, then as other outboard fx started to get noisy, displays started flickering and encoders started to fail, looked around and only the NuVerb was running like new. If the Mac fails, pull the card and stick it in another freebie 'vintage' putty-colored tower.
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Post by anders on Dec 21, 2022 8:32:15 GMT -6
I have a Klark Technik DN-50 from around 1980, which is really nice for vocals and guitar, or if you want a splashy drum sound. Stereo spring with 2 band bax eq and limiters. It can be run as two completely independent units, or be fed with a Y cable input like I do. Picks up a little hum, and due to the limited amount of space within a 2U box, it isn't exactly the largest reverb tanks. But it adds lots of warmth and vibe.
Most famous users; probably early Eurythmics; Sweet Dreams, etc.
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Post by Omicron9 on Dec 21, 2022 10:40:05 GMT -6
For affordable OTB, either the Kurzweil Rumour, or a PCM-91. No idea what a 91 is going for now, but last time I looked a couple of years ago, they were pretty reasonable.
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Post by drumsound on Dec 21, 2022 10:43:42 GMT -6
I'm still a big fan of the TC M3000 that I've been using since before I owned my own room. I think it sounds great and I love the simplicity of the user interface. The Lexicon PCM60 is also super simple and cool sounding. You could have them both at today's prices for about a grand.
I still kinda want a Dynachord, but that's just so I can have a preset called "Hot Chicken Mix."
I've never used the Kurzweil Rumor, but I have a Mangler and it's super cool too. Plus, it has a preset called "Ned Flangers."
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Post by bchurch on Dec 21, 2022 10:45:36 GMT -6
I still love my crummy old SPX-90 ii for it's loveably grainy plates and halls. Realistic? No. But I like what it adds.
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Post by bossanova on Dec 21, 2022 11:38:05 GMT -6
Along those same lines I have a Yamaha REX50 with the SPX algorithms plus some terrifyingly dated digital guitar distortion presets.
The halls, plates, and delays are all pretty solid, the Vocal Plate sounds surprisingly good on vocals, plus it has the classic Symphonic and Pitch Shift effects.
I don't use mine very often because it runs on Japanese voltage and it's a pain to have patched in, but when I do it's a nice and distinct if not essential alternative to my ITB options.
Bonus: the converters sound like demonic soup if you don't hit it with enough signal and get to hear mid-level sounds get swallowed by the digital bog quantization before getting sucked away by the noise gate at the very bottom.
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Post by the other mark williams on Dec 21, 2022 12:26:09 GMT -6
I actually like the Lexicon MX200 on some things. I think I picked mine up 3 years ago for like $90?
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Post by Tbone81 on Dec 21, 2022 12:40:10 GMT -6
I've been using my Axe Fx3 as a glorified pedal board/outboard reverb and delay...its pretty glorious. I was close to selling it a few months back and I'm so glad I didn't. The fx sound awesome. Maybe not what you want for a realistic room verb, or for your typical plate, but it does over-the-top delay, shimmer, rev delay etc beautifully
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Post by seawell on Dec 21, 2022 12:47:11 GMT -6
For me, the most affordable outboard reverb that is going to give you that clear advantage over plugins is a Lexicon PCM70.
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Post by ericn on Dec 21, 2022 13:23:06 GMT -6
Very cheap Lexicon ALex, Yamaha REV series and SPX and TC M1.
Move up a bit Lexicon LXP15, downside noise, Yamaha pro3r, TC m2000 and M3000.
You can find some nice deals on TC M5000’s but you need one with I/O cards that work for your setup.
The PCM 80 and 90 were in reasonable land for a bit but remember moving up to 81 and 91 give you all the presets on the various cards built in.
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Post by chessparov on Dec 21, 2022 13:45:45 GMT -6
Gotcha all beat.
The mighty Nanoverb!
It actually has a cool Plate (#1)
IMHO excellent for Rockabilly/kookie Early Brit Invasion ala Swinging Blue Jeans
"You're No Good".
Vintage 16 Bit. LOL!
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Post by ericn on Dec 21, 2022 13:53:10 GMT -6
Gotcha all beat. The mighty Nanoverb! It actually has a cool Plate (#1) IMHO excellent for Rockabilly/kookie Early Brit Invasion ala Swinging Blue Jeans "You're No Good". Vintage 16 Bit. LOL! Chris If we are going Alesis don’t forget the Wedge, yeah it’s a desk top, yeah you probably want a custom snake, but for a cheap little Alesis it ain’t bad and gives the feeling of having a LARC. |
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Post by jmoose on Dec 21, 2022 18:58:06 GMT -6
If we are going Alesis don’t forget the Wedge, yeah it’s a desk top, yeah you probably want a custom snake, but for a cheap little Alesis it ain’t bad and gives the feeling of having a LARC. Yet with all the tone of a Quadraverb! Truly a miracle! I think if this goes on long enough eventually everyone's just gonna name their favorite boxes and lets face it. They all have at least a couple decent sounds. How are we going to define "affordable"? Few hundred bucks? In the budget Alesis world I liked the midiverb 4. Cleanest & most usable of the bunch. Had one for a long time... I used #8 echo a lot. Most things were at least passable. Rarely used mine for actual reverb unless it was a "special effect" 20 second space piano. Oddball? Knew a guy years ago who had a killer rack & sold it all. Lex 224 w/Larc TC2290 H3000... pair of PCM42's... Cashed out replaced it all with an Apollo & UAD plugs. Dedicated a rig just to that. Sends from the desk aux 1 to input 1 etc and then out back to the desk line inputs. Lexicon MPX1 is probably the best of the lower end but I'm biased, I own two! One an OG I bought back in the day. Reverb? Yes though not as often anymore. The gold in these, and really most of the old rack gear? Multi FX. Panned echo's w/modulation AND a hall reverb. Gated reverb w/flange. That kinda thing. I don't find a lot of those sounds in plugs. I dig that axe FX mention. That sounds rad. Remember a friend years ago was like, if I could only find a delay plugin that sounds like my eventide timefactor I'd be set. Well why don't you just plug it in and use it? It had never occurred to him... I'll say the new Eventide H90 looks sweet... I may well end up with one sooner then later. www.eventideaudio.com/pedals/h90/Really Don't need more FX and it'd probably never go on a pedalboard but a mini table top H3000 killer? With that DNA? Seriously tempting. So many times as a freelancer I wind up at studios these days that don't have ANY sort of external FX box. Its all plugs. Favorite pedal verb & delay? EHX memory man hazarai. The digital one. Goes full wet, great delays and a nice stereo verb. Killer reverse echos too. I've put drums, vocals, all sorts of stuff through that one. |
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Post by bchurch on Dec 21, 2022 20:22:45 GMT -6
I hesitated on also throwing in "the other yamaha" which is an FX900 guitar fx processor I bought in.... 93 or 94? Just right when I was beginning to build up my own 'serious' gear. On guitar, as you probably imagine, it is horrible. But the compression and modulation are deliciously degenerative. I've got both in a flight case I can pull out of a storage area with a db25 on the back, alongside two other antiquated miscreants that will likely be worth 10x the purchase price once the 'vintage digital' thing takes root.
If you've got a Roland d50 or original Wavestation, hang on to those - they're gonna be worth Moog money soon.
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Post by ericn on Dec 22, 2022 9:09:22 GMT -6
One thing we haven’t discussed is a lot of boxes are judged based on the presets only, while a plugin is much easier to dive into, on some of the cheaper boxes diving in and programming your own presets can lift even a lowly ART box to a new level.
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Post by 79sg on Dec 22, 2022 9:33:07 GMT -6
I'll say the new Eventide H90 looks sweet... I may well end up with one sooner then later. www.eventideaudio.com/pedals/h90/Really Don't need more FX and it'd probably never go on a pedalboard but a mini table top H3000 killer? With that DNA? Seriously tempting. So many times as a freelancer I wind up at studios these days that don't have ANY sort of external FX box. Its all plugs. I bought two H90’s, 1 for my guitars and synths and 1 that is patched into a RND 5060 for mixing. The routing on these is great. You can run 2 algorithms at once or you can run it dual sending 1 algorithm to one place and the other somewhere else. I also opted for 2 so I can patch 1 into the other and run 4 algorithms (might be fun). It also has either 2 mono inserts or 1 stereo insert. You can run the inserts in series or parallel, etc, etc. Plus I really like the SP2016 algorithm. Use it all the time ITB. I believe they are backordered now. |
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Post by Omicron9 on Dec 22, 2022 10:47:58 GMT -6
I forgot to mention the Lex MPX-1. I have one of those in the racks and use it daily for adding reverb to the headphone mixes. I wouldn't be afraid to actually print mixes with it; a couple of the hall reverbs are surprisingly good, and if memory serves, sound better than my old PCM-91 in some cases. No idea what the MPX-1 is going for now, but I think I paid $250-300 for mine, but that's been 15 years ago? Great units tho. Stereo ins/outs, too. AND! An actual IEC cable. No ^#@^&@ wall wart.
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Post by ericn on Dec 22, 2022 11:23:53 GMT -6
I forgot to mention the Lex MPX-1. I have one of those in the racks and use it daily for adding reverb to the headphone mixes. I wouldn't be afraid to actually print mixes with it; a couple of the hall reverbs are surprisingly good, and if memory serves, sound better than my old PCM-91 in some cases. No idea what the MPX-1 is going for now, but I think I paid $250-300 for mine, but that's been 15 years ago? Great units tho. Stereo ins/outs, too. -09 Omnicron Brings up a good point here that you need to research on any EFX box and I’m not sure where the MPX-1 falls. Is it true stereo or doses it fold left and right together and then split them out ? If you want true stereo dive deep into some manuals at any price point to make sure your getting true stere. |
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