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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2022 10:32:53 GMT -6
Hey guys my Krk v6 finally kicked the bucket and I need new monitors asap. I’m on backup JBL LSR 305 mk II and they don’t have enough volume, have an awful 200 hz ish resonance pissing me off, and the hornflare in the high end sucks. Raw Tracks recorded at reasonable analof volumes to not clip or overdrive at like -20 to -30 dbfs peaks on modern 24-bit converters aren’t loud enough on them. These JBLs and tiny speakers are all like throw the faders up into the red with a bunch of bus processing and hope it sounds good speakers. I only want to spend a few thousand. I’m considering:
neumann Kh120. Boxy with low mid issues and not enough volume but it’s cheap. I can get this today.
bag end pm-6. There’s a pair for 1200 online but the older version without the limiters. I’m afraid I’ll blow em up in a week or two.
Geithain rl906. These would be cool but 103 db max isn’t inspiring. Would come end of January giving me a month of suicidal ideation from working on the JBLs and HD 25s like a 2015 sound cloud dj.
ATC SCM12. I only have a Jim Williams modded Adcom 545. Will I be able to get enough volume out of it in the low end without blowing the drivers? I’m concerned I might need a much better power amp and woudl blow these sky high with my 100w into 8ohms amp.
proac sm100: same concerns as the atc scm12
dynaudio BM6a. The 90s techno and trance speakers. Have volume but plate amps with some junky parts and a bass bump. They are Chinese owned and use suscon caps or something and the caps are sus of course. If these will give me a volume edge over the ATCs, I will do it.
suffer and save for something insane but I figure I can do this anyway with something good and just flip it later with a loss to not hate myself right now.
otherwise it’s trolling eBay and reverb but all these losers think they’re broken speakers are worth 50% of msrp for used Yamaha MSP7 or Quested H108 or they took it out of the box so want you to pay 100 bucks off msrp for a passive speaker because it says Atc or Proac on it when you have no idea what went through it. It’s like driving a car off the lot.
Dan
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 16, 2022 11:32:10 GMT -6
What about the amphion one 15’s in classified, would sound very natural with a Jim modded Ad on and void cables.
I have a lead on some focal solob six, a few year’s old, excellent shape and half price, pm if you want the deets.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 16, 2022 11:38:18 GMT -6
PS there’s a set of ATC 12s right now at enay auction, ends tomorrow they’re in the UK but atc has a refurb service: might be handy!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2022 11:44:41 GMT -6
No thanks on the Amphions or Focals. Maybe the dyn core 7s could be cool. Insane headroom. Pascal modules. Right price. If only I can get some to demo ugh.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2022 11:44:55 GMT -6
I don’t think the tiny ATCs will have the volume
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Post by nick8801 on Dec 16, 2022 12:41:56 GMT -6
I've always wanted to check out the Dyna cores. You don't think the ATC 12's will have enough volume? How big is you room again? Mine get plenty loud in my smallish room. Although if you're looking for PA volume playback, then no, definitely not.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2022 13:04:43 GMT -6
I've always wanted to check out the Dyna cores. You don't think the ATC 12's will have enough volume? How big is you room again? Mine get plenty loud in my smallish room. Although if you're looking for PA volume playback, then no, definitely not. I have a rectangular room maybe like 12 x 20 ft? The JBLs don’t have enough volume for raw stuff recorded at clean analog levels, which are lower than digital. Neither do the Neumanns. VK told me I wouldn’t get to rhe volume out of the 2 way ATCs |
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Post by the other mark williams on Dec 16, 2022 13:12:40 GMT -6
No thanks on the Amphions or Focals. Maybe the dyn core 7s could be cool. Insane headroom. Pascal modules. Right price. If only I can get some to demo ugh. I think Dyns should be in the picture for you to at least give a listen. |
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Post by the other mark williams on Dec 16, 2022 15:56:08 GMT -6
@tomegatherion, I appreciated parts of your Guitar Center rant. Made me chuckle.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Dec 16, 2022 15:57:54 GMT -6
This is definitely the "no fun" answer... but since you've been using the KRK V6's for so long, why not just grab another pair on the used market? I don't know what series you had but there's tons of S4 on Reverb and I see these in my local Craigslist from time to time as well.
Least sexy choice, but maybe fastest way to get back to work?
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Dec 16, 2022 16:10:41 GMT -6
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Post by christophert on Dec 16, 2022 16:59:18 GMT -6
If you know anyone with PSI A21m, I would suggest trying them.
No DSP / all analog amps - really great low extension, punchy, accurate with excellent transient detail.
I come from various Dynaudios, Quested, NS10,s KRK V8's(V1) & V6's, Opals.
Tried the ATC's - not enough low end for some genres.
The PSI A21m are powerful,super vibey, accurate and fun to mix on - the most important elements.
(I also have the A17m's in my production room and they have all the same qualities, but smaller.)
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Post by wiz on Dec 16, 2022 18:06:01 GMT -6
Well, I have mixed on only 2 sets of monitors since the early 90s…..8)
Alesis Monitor ones…with amp….
And
Adam A7s (active)
I rate the Adams for the size of the room you are talking about…..especially with sound id running….
I get pretty good results.
Cheers
Wiz
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2022 18:46:06 GMT -6
@tomegatherion , I appreciated parts of your Guitar Center rant. Made me chuckle. Yeah I hate them all but don’t want to targeted by some angry employee. Horrible practices. I hate them. Selling used gear as new with no warranty. Fake insurance on used gear they won’t fix or give you your money back on. Drugged out employees in many stores. Selling broken and unplayable equipment to novices. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2022 18:49:32 GMT -6
This is definitely the "no fun" answer... but since you've been using the KRK V6's for so long, why not just grab another pair on the used market? I don't know what series you had but there's tons of S4 on Reverb and I see these in my local Craigslist from time to time as well. Least sexy choice, but maybe fastest way to get back to work? Gibson’s quality control sucks ass has different monitors have different gains in the amplifiers. But the v6s4 is a coherent top to bottom speaker unlike any Focal. I could do that. But it’s 1200 dollars and they have to fix my old pair and then what I do? Sell it for 500 bucks and be out 700 because Gibson are horrible? I am contacting Gibson of course because these have a 3 year warranty but I’ve never had KRKs last 3 years. |
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Post by bchurch on Dec 17, 2022 8:46:12 GMT -6
When I was last demo-ing monitors, I took a particular shine to the EVE SC207's. They can definitely push client-giggle SPL's when needed if that's on order. I didn't love the fact there was an on-board vol. adjustment on the front - something about that reduced them (visually) to a cheap pair of logitech laptop speakers (with 10W subwoofer!!!) - but the sonics and performance could piss in the tall weeds with bigger dogs. It's so subjective. People love NS10's - though I don't want to inadvertently spark a debate between the relative merits between one- and two-ply kleenex (vs. Puffs or Kirkland) over the HF drivers. If you like NS-10's, get the CLA edition for no other reason than that they have "CLA" written on them.  |
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Post by ab101 on Dec 17, 2022 12:05:18 GMT -6
What about the Yamaha HS8 speakers? I think Warren at Zenproaudio does a mod on them if you get them there.
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Post by octalsocket on Dec 17, 2022 12:14:39 GMT -6
Just for info sake, I have a pair of SCM12's, and I'm driving them with a GFA-535 (60 watts into 8 ohms, I think), and I'm getting soft clip lights at 96 db-c on heavy rock material.
Just as you thought.
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Post by Quint on Dec 17, 2022 12:23:25 GMT -6
Just a thought. Do you have to achieve all of this with one pair of monitors? If you require something that can pump out the decibels for client playback, couldn't you just get a cheaper, decent, larger pair of monitors/speakers for this purpose, even if they're not the highest fidelity ever, and then spend most of your money on a smaller, high quality pair of monitors for doing the bulk of your actual mixing?
High quality AND high decibels always equals $$$$.
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Post by bchurch on Dec 17, 2022 14:08:57 GMT -6
Just a thought. Do you have to achieve all of this with one pair of monitors? If you require something that can pump out the decibels for client playback, couldn't you just get a cheaper, decent, larger pair of monitors/speakers for this purpose, even if they're not the highest fidelity ever, and then spend most of your money on a smaller, high quality pair of monitors for doing the bulk of your actual mixing? High quality AND high decibels always equals $$$$. I had that thought, too. I used to run a pair of Equator q12's about 2.5m from my mix position. If someone needed to "really hear it" (the irony is not lost on me) I'd pop in some foam plugs and lett'er rip. I'd check on them occasionally, but it was like an old pair of Urei 813's or something. Just... loud. |
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Post by bgrotto on Dec 17, 2022 14:19:37 GMT -6
Hey guys my Krk v6 finally kicked the bucket and I need new monitors asap. I’m on backup JBL LSR 305 mk II and they don’t have enough volume, have an awful 200 hz ish resonance pissing me off, and the hornflare in the high end sucks. Raw Tracks recorded at reasonable analof volumes to not clip or overdrive at like -20 to -30 dbfs peaks on modern 24-bit converters aren’t loud enough on them. These JBLs and tiny speakers are all like throw the faders up into the red with a bunch of bus processing and hope it sounds good speakers. I only want to spend a few thousand. I’m considering: neumann Kh120. Boxy with low mid issues and not enough volume but it’s cheap. I can get this today. bag end pm-6. There’s a pair for 1200 online but the older version without the limiters. I’m afraid I’ll blow em up in a week or two. Geithain rl906. These would be cool but 103 db max isn’t inspiring. Would come end of January giving me a month of suicidal ideation from working on the JBLs and HD 25s like a 2015 sound cloud dj. ATC SCM12. I only have a Jim Williams modded Adcom 545. Will I be able to get enough volume out of it in the low end without blowing the drivers? I’m concerned I might need a much better power amp and woudl blow these sky high with my 100w into 8ohms amp. proac sm100: same concerns as the atc scm12 dynaudio BM6a. The 90s techno and trance speakers. Have volume but plate amps with some junky parts and a bass bump. They are Chinese owned and use suscon caps or something and the caps are sus of course. If these will give me a volume edge over the ATCs, I will do it. suffer and save for something insane but I figure I can do this anyway with something good and just flip it later with a loss to not hate myself right now. otherwise it’s trolling eBay and reverb but all these losers think they’re broken speakers are worth 50% of msrp for used Yamaha MSP7 or Quested H108 or they took it out of the box so want you to pay 100 bucks off msrp for a passive speaker because it says Atc or Proac on it when you have no idea what went through it. It’s like driving a car off the lot. Dan Not sure if this is a long shot or not, but, I am selling a pair of ProAc Studio 100s and a Bryston 4b if you're interested. Shipping won't be cheap, but it's a great-sounding setup. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2022 15:21:30 GMT -6
What about the Yamaha HS8 speakers? I think Warren at Zenproaudio does a mod on them if you get them there. Dude, I had a buzzing defective pair next to the current Rokit 5 G4 and heard another pair next to the HS5. The smaller monitors had better mids. |
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Post by RealNoob on Dec 17, 2022 15:43:37 GMT -6
If you know anyone with PSI A21m, I would suggest trying them. No DSP / all analog amps - really great low extension, punchy, accurate with excellent transient detail. I come from various Dynaudios, Quested, NS10,s KRK V8's(V1) & V6's, Opals. Tried the ATC's - not enough low end for some genres. The PSI A21m are powerful,super vibey, accurate and fun to mix on - the most important elements. (I also have the A17m's in my production room and they have all the same qualities, but smaller.) Yes, the A21M's are KILLER. They reveal everything. I am still considering selling something and getting some 14's - that's my budget presently. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2022 16:10:44 GMT -6
Just for info sake, I have a pair of SCM12's, and I'm driving them with a GFA-535 (60 watts into 8 ohms, I think), and I'm getting soft clip lights at 96 db-c on heavy rock material. Just as you thought. Thanks there’s no way I’ll get clean at well over 100 db with my 545. Ugh. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2022 16:36:26 GMT -6
Okay my tech friend who is an engineer says the ti chip amp based class d modules in the KRKs dying probably had nothing to do with iffy capacitors if it turns on. All class D amps and thus switch mode power supplies are on a death march from the moment they’re turned on. There’s nothing “greener” about them. 5 years is the absolute maximum lifespan and a couple years is the average according to him. Expensive monitors with them are not worth buying.
When I showed him a picture of the Pascal based plate amps and dsp module in the Dynaudio Core 7 his response was “Craptacular”
“Class D amps begin to die the moment they're powered on. High frequency switching transistors in power applications causes gate degradation.
I'm big on serviceability since I've been raped by so many manufacturers. Class D just isn't something I can recommend because there is nobody who can fix that so you're at the mercy of the manufacturer once it goes down. Doesn't help they like to kamikaze themselves either. Once China stops making that amp module, it's over.”
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