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Post by aremos on Nov 30, 2022 9:32:14 GMT -6
Was recommended using Soothe on vocal track. Any experience or feedback out there?
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Post by M57 on Nov 30, 2022 9:56:00 GMT -6
Here's an older thread that's been bumped a few times since s2 came out.
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Post by aremos on Nov 30, 2022 11:59:39 GMT -6
Thanks. Had done a search but may have missed your thread.
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Post by aremos on Nov 30, 2022 12:28:58 GMT -6
Will be downloading free trial & also comparing it to "Smooth Operator" (Baby Audio).
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Post by tkaitkai on Nov 30, 2022 13:08:39 GMT -6
IMO, soothe is still the clear winner in that category of plugins. The only thing that comes close is TBProAudio DSEQ, which is actually pretty damn good. I was never happy with the results I got from Smooth Operator.
Some other plugins worth exploring:
Brainworx Refinement
EndeavorFX Unharsh
Goodhertz Tupe & Lossy (not exactly "anti-harshness" plugins per se, but you can work wonders with these)
TDR DeEdger
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Post by aremos on Nov 30, 2022 13:31:54 GMT -6
Is (can/should be) Soothe used after EQ ... or instead of? |
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Post by the other mark williams on Nov 30, 2022 13:45:43 GMT -6
Is (can/should be) Soothe used after EQ ... or instead of? Could be either way. I tend to use Soothe when there's a problem resonance that's not static. But there really are no rules. I've definitely used it before to take care of a problem, planning to use another EQ after, but then ended up dragging some of the EQ points around and found that's all I needed to do. I don't usually plan on it replacing an EQ, but sometimes it certainly can. I've had that happen with multi band compressors before, too. |
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Post by sirthought on Nov 30, 2022 19:52:06 GMT -6
I really like TBPro Audio DSEQ. Great developer. Affordable.
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Post by wiz on Apr 25, 2023 19:54:59 GMT -6
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Post by sentientsound on Apr 26, 2023 14:59:16 GMT -6
Soothe is really useful on all kinds of material.
Besides the obvious vocal applications it's quite useful on:
- nasty sounding drum overheads (watch out for phasing artifacts if your OHs are providing a lot of full kit sound..it tends to work better when they're mostly adding cymbals)
- smoothing out subgroups (try high selectivity but very low sharpness, attack and release around 5 or 6)
- taming bass resonances in that 60-150Hz range
- subduing the 180-350 Hz area on synth pads to keep them full but controlled
- on FX/AUX sends pre-reverb to notch out the nasties from 3-4kHz and up
+1 for TBPro Audio DSEQ too. The mixed-phase mode is really good for controlling low end stuff.
Also heard good things about Mastering The Mix Reso but have yet to try it...
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Post by javamad on Apr 27, 2023 6:57:20 GMT -6
I use it all the time on vocals for two main purposes
1. Dynamic mud/resonance removal. Generally light settings
2. Deesser .. you can get quite heavy handed without falling into vocal lisp effects. It should be noted that I will generally do my best to limit esses at source with mic chouce or a bit of toilet paper taped to the mic side of the pop screen to take energy out of esses. Then I will also edit the vocal by sooming right in to see the esses and drop them by 3-4 db .. after that Soothe 2 as a final step
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2023 7:51:49 GMT -6
It lofis stuff too easily compared to a good eq or dynamic eq. Like yeh your problem might be gone but in a way like you ran it through some junk circuit type of deal
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Post by trakworxmastering on Apr 27, 2023 10:24:21 GMT -6
I have Soothe 2 and DSEQ.
I use DSEQ more often because it's better at only kicking in when I want it to.
But when I want a more constant effect that also has a dynamic aspect, then Soothe 2 is great. It's kind of halfway between a static EQ and DSEQ in my mind.
I wouldn't want to be without both.
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Post by thehightenor on Apr 27, 2023 10:43:44 GMT -6
Was recommended using Soothe on vocal track. Any experience or feedback out there? Why would you use it on a vocal? Is it for those times you didn’t have time to pick the correct mic and pre to track the vocal? |
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Post by tkaitkai on Apr 27, 2023 11:09:46 GMT -6
Was recommended using Soothe on vocal track. Any experience or feedback out there? Why would you use it on a vocal? Is it for those times you didn’t have time to pick the correct mic and pre to track the vocal? Even if the vocal is well-recorded, there might still be some annoying resonances that pop up from time to time, especially within the context of a mix. If you use it gently, Soothe can help tuck them in without having to automate EQ bands.
It can also serve the same purpose as a multiband compressor, giving you a more balanced/controlled vocal across the frequency spectrum, but I find it's a lot easier to setup compared to a multiband.
That said, it's REALLY easy to overdo. IME, the best way to use Soothe is to push it hard and then back off the mix knob by like 50%.
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Post by trakworxmastering on Apr 27, 2023 12:07:44 GMT -6
Was recommended using Soothe on vocal track. Any experience or feedback out there? Why would you use it on a vocal? Is it for those times you didn’t have time to pick the correct mic and pre to track the vocal? Sometimes it's not the room, the mic or the pre that causes unwanted resonances. It can often be the actual voice. Or combination of voices. Whatever the reason for resonances, Soothe 2 or DSEQ can work wonders, used tastefully. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 27, 2023 13:59:48 GMT -6
Was just playing around with the Izotope Stabilizer in the Ozone 10 (and individual modules)...and I honestly think I'm getting a better result than with Soothe 2...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2023 16:09:25 GMT -6
I have Soothe 2 and DSEQ. I use DSEQ more often because it's better at only kicking in when I want it to. But when I want a more constant effect that also has a dynamic aspect, then Soothe 2 is great. It's kind of halfway between a static EQ and DSEQ in my mind. I wouldn't want to be without both. “An effect” describes soothe all too well |
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 27, 2023 17:03:46 GMT -6
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Post by sentientsound on Apr 28, 2023 11:00:07 GMT -6
Was just playing around with the Izotope Stabilizer in the Ozone 10 (and individual modules)...and I honestly think I'm getting a better result than with Soothe 2... Do you feel v10 is worth the upgrade for the Stabilizer? I'm on v9 still but have also found situations where the Spectral Shaper does a great job lightly softening the 2 - 6k range. Sounds different than Soothe but often leaves the vocal sounding less processed. I use it as the final subtle touch after clip gain/automation and traditional de-essers. |
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Apr 28, 2023 12:20:56 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 28, 2023 12:20:56 GMT -6
Was just playing around with the Izotope Stabilizer in the Ozone 10 (and individual modules)...and I honestly think I'm getting a better result than with Soothe 2... Do you feel v10 is worth the upgrade for the Stabilizer? I'm on v9 still but have also found situations where the Spectral Shaper does a great job lightly softening the 2 - 6k range. Sounds different than Soothe but often leaves the vocal sounding less processed. I use it as the final subtle touch after clip gain/automation and traditional de-essers. I do. Stabilizer is pretty awesome. |
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Post by jaba on Apr 28, 2023 12:35:02 GMT -6
I've only used Soothe2 briefly but find a dynamic EQ ususally does the trick.
Any one have experience with the TDR DeEdger?
Curious if it brings something else to the table.
I always assumed it only focused on mids and highs but the frequency goes down to 50Hz so seems it's more versatile than I thought.
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Post by sentientsound on Apr 28, 2023 21:01:58 GMT -6
Do you feel v10 is worth the upgrade for the Stabilizer? I'm on v9 still but have also found situations where the Spectral Shaper does a great job lightly softening the 2 - 6k range. Sounds different than Soothe but often leaves the vocal sounding less processed. I use it as the final subtle touch after clip gain/automation and traditional de-essers. I do. Stabilizer is pretty awesome. Thanks! I was hoping you wouldn't say that, hah! But I've now heard this 3 times in a row. Voxengo TEOTE is very good too but isn't meant for suppressing reosnances. Besides smoothing or rebalancing the full-spectrum it can add a subtle control with musical motion while restricted to the midrange. The crossovers are well-designed with extremely low phase shift and the band count control is really powerful. And it's easy to bias towards reducing harsh frequencies, just in a different way. For example om vocals, try the "apply to" mode to focus on the 2 - 8k range and set the dip frequency to the harshest area. Then fine tune with the Slope and FX amount controls. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 28, 2023 22:34:54 GMT -6
I do. Stabilizer is pretty awesome. Thanks! I was hoping you wouldn't say that, hah! But I've now heard this 3 times in a row. Voxengo TEOTE is very good too but isn't meant for suppressing reosnances. Besides smoothing or rebalancing the full-spectrum it can add a subtle control with musical motion while restricted to the midrange. The crossovers are well-designed with extremely low phase shift and the band count control is really powerful. And it's easy to bias towards reducing harsh frequencies, just in a different way. For example om vocals, try the "apply to" mode to focus on the 2 - 8k range and set the dip frequency to the harshest area. Then fine tune with the Slope and FX amount controls. I wasn’t initially bought in on all the AI learning stuff…just running it can get some not so good results. But once I started tweaking the results - sometimes dramatically - I was getting way better masters than on 9. I find the “Country” setting to be the best starting point. Then I’ll go in and tweak the stabilizer to around 50% total. On shape. Then I’ll go in and make sure the “impact” (I think thats what the module is called) is really conservative and not doing much. Need to study that one more. Than the imaging. I usually drag the low mids down to about 150Hz. Drag the upper mids to about 1khz to 6khz…leaving the top slider starting at 6khz. Then I Jack up the 6khz up to about 30, the upper mids to about 20, the lower mids to around zero and the lows I bring down a bit to make more mono. One thing I’ve liked about Ozone is the AI dynamic eq. It’s recognizing things that I don’t always recognize. Seems to help clear mid and harsh upper mids when they happen. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2023 22:43:15 GMT -6
I've only used Soothe2 briefly but find a dynamic EQ ususally does the trick. Any one have experience with the TDR DeEdger? Curious if it brings something else to the table. I always assumed it only focused on mids and highs but the frequency goes down to 50Hz so seems it's more versatile than I thought. TDR ohlhorst DeEdger is the shit. Once you hear what it does, you will use it all the time. It is better than soothe imo. Less of a special effect. Well not a special effect at all. The prob with soothe is when you set it to do anything real, it turns into the digital effect flavor of the month on vocals and overheads to the point where they need soothe live for whack rappers and pop stars just like they need autotune live |
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