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Post by drumsound on Nov 30, 2022 12:54:38 GMT -6
We really are. I just interviewed Kirt Shearer about the making of CAKE's Fashion Nugget. They mixed that record with no automation and most mixes were done in about a half hour. That's the thing, these are just tools. We like the things we like, but we can and will make things work with whatever is in front of us. --- The world got used to the SSL sound without knowing that is what they were hearing. And the reason is the people like music. Listeners, by and large, don't care about anything but what the song and the band are telling them. Tony a very big part of your last point in the era before streaming was the fact that we were sort of trained by what made it into the radio as our sonic definition of what a record should sound like. It evolved but what was ever in heavy rotation sort of set the Sonic standards for that point in time. Oh, ABSOLUTELY! Tony a very big part of your last point in the era before streaming was the fact that we were sort of trained by what made it into the radio as our sonic definition of what a record should sound like. It evolved but what was ever in heavy rotation sort of set the Sonic standards for that point in time. YES, Eric - absolutely. That's also really what enabled particular trends to permeate so thoroughly. Like the paper-thin piccolo snare drum sound that dominated for a brief time in the 90s. "Hey, it's the Carter Beauford sound, man!!" You can define eras listening to the snare sound on the record. Cake mixes done in 30 minutes? So that’s how they afforded their rock and roll lifestyle Well Played!!! Cake mixes done in 30 minutes? So that’s how they afforded their rock and roll lifestyle You have no idea how often after 100+ mix passes people sat back and reviewed them and decided #1 was the one! Billie Jean. They mixed for like 2 weeks and had a stack of 1/4" (maybe 1/2" but I don't thing so) tapes up to the ceiling. At one point either Quincy or Bruce said "I really liked mix 2." The assistant dismantles the pile to put mix 2 back on the machine. Halfway through Q notices he, Bruce and Michael are all just bobbing their heads and loving the mix. Mix 2 is the worldwide hit we ALL know. |
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Post by copperx on Nov 30, 2022 13:02:15 GMT -6
Sound On Sound met with Solid State Logic service engineer of 25 years Karen Down for a comprehensive look at the revolutionary Solid State Logic SL 4000 E mixing console. I've been looking for something like this for years! Thanks. |
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Post by ericn on Nov 30, 2022 13:10:06 GMT -6
Sound On Sound met with Solid State Logic service engineer of 25 years Karen Down for a comprehensive look at the revolutionary Solid State Logic SL 4000 E mixing console. I've been looking for something like this for years! Thanks. I remember seeing the original manual on line somewhere years ago, some kid had found it and thought I would want to read it he didn’t like my reply “ read it ? Hell I lived it, no thanks”. |
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Post by copperx on Nov 30, 2022 13:16:59 GMT -6
I remember seeing the original manual on line somewhere years ago, some kid had found it and thought I would want to read it he didn’t like my reply “ read it ? Hell I lived it, no thanks”. Hahaha, that's funny because I have a studio nearby that has a 4000 G+, and I wanted to rent it for a day to mix a song, so I read (!) the manual for the 4000 automation system because I didn't want to be fumbling around wasting valuable time wrestling with the computer. In the end I did not rent the room because I wanted to SEE the automation system being used, otherwise I wouldn't feel confident enough, and searched YouTube and did not find any explanations. The closest I found was CLA's MWTM's videos, where he shows how he uses it, but no explanation about the operation. |
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Post by jeremygillespie on Nov 30, 2022 15:41:14 GMT -6
I sat at that same SSL 9k console and tried mixing this song to make the clients as happy about it as they were with the rough mix I did after we tracked it. I remember doing weird delay throws off faders into a pair of pcm42 that were patched in just screwing around and having fun after the band tracked it live on the floor. Never got a mix that beat my 20 min board mix on that day. Sometimes that’s just how it goes haha.
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Post by chessparov on Nov 30, 2022 19:10:09 GMT -6
No half baked Mixes here!
Chris
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Post by bchurch on Nov 30, 2022 20:03:48 GMT -6
I remember seeing the original manual on line somewhere years ago, some kid had found it and thought I would want to read it he didn’t like my reply “ read it ? Hell I lived it, no thanks”. The closest I found was CLA's MWTM's videos, where he shows how he uses it, but no explanation about the operation. How many times did he refer to himself as "CLA" though? Because only CLA gets that CLA sound. |
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Post by drumsound on Dec 3, 2022 0:20:15 GMT -6
I finally came back to this to watch the video. Damn, that is some boring shit. I thought it was going to be about the console and have someone with a personality talking about the way people pushed the envelop with the SSL. I did not make it to the end.
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Post by ericn on Dec 3, 2022 10:30:24 GMT -6
I finally came back to this to watch the video. Damn, that is some boring shit. I thought it was going to be about the console and have someone with a personality talking about the way people pushed the envelop with the SSL. I did not make it to the end. Tony I completely agree, but I thought she perfectly personified how boring it was recalling a Hugh mix or being the guy running the computer ion a 4K, and in todays DAW world this was revelatory? |
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Post by drumsound on Dec 3, 2022 11:22:52 GMT -6
I finally came back to this to watch the video. Damn, that is some boring shit. I thought it was going to be about the console and have someone with a personality talking about the way people pushed the envelop with the SSL. I did not make it to the end. Tony I completely agree, but I thought she perfectly personified how boring it was recalling a Hugh mix or being the guy running the computer ion a 4K, and in todays DAW world this was revelatory? Yeah, that stuff isn't sexy. The video title implied something different, and that is what got me to watch. It does show how much a DAW (esp PT) is meant to function like an SSL on steroids, though. |
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Post by bchurch on Dec 3, 2022 13:48:18 GMT -6
By the time I was daily-driving on an SSL, tape was becoming all but a rarity. I've certainly gone through the agony of living that video enough times, but by and large I was using SuperTrue / Ultimation / etc to save parameters for recall, not actually write mix moves. It was the long, slow slide into using consoles as more for the eq/dynamics/routing, but handling automation from the DAW.
Unless it was the artists who needed to actually see the faders snapping to feel legit.
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Post by ericn on Dec 3, 2022 14:16:38 GMT -6
By the time I was daily-driving on an SSL, tape was becoming all but a rarity. I've certainly gone through the agony of living that video enough times, but by and large I was using SuperTrue / Ultimation / etc to save parameters for recall, not actually write mix moves. It was the long, slow slide into using consoles as more for the eq/dynamics/routing, but handling automation from the DAW. Unless it was the artists who needed to actually see the faders snapping to feel legit. Those were kinds go the big days for the industry you had the PT operator, the guy driving the SSL, the AE moving mics and faders. If SSL had recognized the Place PT would take and upgrade the software/ comp in the 4K for better PT intergration rather than some third parties think of where we would be? Just like if the the Modern SSL’s had EUCON. Since they showed the little Origin everybody thinks it’s the end all till you point out it’s still HUI! |
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