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Slate vsx
Nov 25, 2022 6:49:52 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 25, 2022 6:49:52 GMT -6
Anyone using it here, lots buzz over 3.0 update and Essential at $299.
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Post by viciousbliss on Nov 25, 2022 7:06:50 GMT -6
I have to try the 3.0 update today. Ever since I got the Aurora N, I went back to just using my K701 without VSX. VSX has the same issues all closed headphones have and I agree with this comment I saw on YouTube or some forum where a guy talked about how it has this comb filtering problem and makes you mix as if there’s more reverb than there actually is. Still, it’s probably helpful if you don’t have to access to a headphone setup with objectively good conversion and appropriate amplification. Maybe 3.0 will be a game changer.
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Slate vsx
Nov 25, 2022 7:47:23 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 25, 2022 7:47:23 GMT -6
Thx, I have the aurora n too and think the headphone out sounds great.
Curious about slate but don’t like gimmicks, would rather buy better cans or good monitors again.
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Post by mitchkricun on Nov 25, 2022 17:04:12 GMT -6
Yes, it’s gimmicky. It’s also the best purchase I’ve made in recent memory. I have spent a small fortune on monitors and room treatment. I’m at the point where I think my only options to upgrade would be Trinnov or speakers that calibrate themselves to the room like Dutch Audio or Kii, or of course hiring an acoustic consultant.
I was very skeptical too, but a very high profile recording engineer that I used to assist for told me they were the real deal, so I tried them. Glad I did.
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Post by RealNoob on Nov 25, 2022 19:59:48 GMT -6
I had it and sold it. It didn't really help me pretending to being other rooms. Better help for me is the DT1990's with Sonarworks. In the end, it is about differing references points. If you have a few, its a wash.
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Post by viciousbliss on Nov 25, 2022 22:18:42 GMT -6
This new update definitely sounds a lot less messy. But it still has a way more narrow sense of width when compared to the K701 and those closed back headphone resonances or whatever the sound of closed back headphones is called.
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Post by robo on Nov 25, 2022 23:03:30 GMT -6
I find it very helpful, and the new update is an improvement except one of my favorite rooms has messed up low end (Archon, getting fixed soon).
I only use it when mixing, and then about half of the time. I’m much more confident how my mixes translate because I’ve heard them in a some dramatically different places before sending them off to clients/mastering. I always find some small tweaky improvements I wouldn’t have otherwise.
In the grand scheme of audio work, it’s very much worth the investment. I do not feel the same about Sonarworks.
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 26, 2022 0:35:52 GMT -6
I had it and sold it. It didn't really help me pretending to being other rooms. Better help for me is the DT1990's with Sonarworks. In the end, it is about differing references points. If you have a few, its a wash. That’s exactly how i intuitively feel about this product. If the studios in Essential were two that are good. i presume Steve’s room is flat then I could see that working. I have seen multiple references to the phasy sound issue being fixed in this update. Sonarworks is also on sale so I’ll mull this over, bit I have tried it before and it didn’t stick for me. |
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Post by viciousbliss on Nov 26, 2022 3:07:37 GMT -6
I feel like this product can keep improving, but there is such a variation in the stats on interface headphone outs that it’s probably very tough for VSX to make things sound right across the board. I wish the Aurora N had selectable amplification like the O2 amp. Feels like it has one high gain setting meant for the expensive and demanding stuff out there and it’s luck if the less demanding stuff doesn’t get overwhelmed. Most people just describe the N’s headphone out as “good”.
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Slate vsx
Nov 26, 2022 4:24:30 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 26, 2022 4:24:30 GMT -6
you can adjust a lot in the aurora have you checked the manual? Sorry got to laugh that peeps would describe anything on the N as just good  but guess its all relative! |
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Post by thehightenor on Nov 26, 2022 5:51:07 GMT -6
Why not just mix on monitors?
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 26, 2022 6:50:04 GMT -6
I have had a variety of good monitors and although my room is treated, I ended up preferring not using monitors, take the room out of the equation,
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Post by viciousbliss on Nov 26, 2022 7:42:23 GMT -6
I didn’t know the N had ways of adjusting the headphone output to any real degree. I’ve read the manual a couple times and checked the menus and all. Can you tell me more about what you’re referring to?
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Slate vsx
Nov 26, 2022 8:24:27 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 26, 2022 8:24:27 GMT -6
Me neither, but I was just diving deep yesterday in settings setting up my horizontal metres for mastering with my outboard, pg 23 and noticed there is a phones selection?
After reading your comment I wondered if there is any deeper functionality in the settings ?
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Slate vsx
Nov 26, 2022 8:27:41 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 26, 2022 8:27:41 GMT -6
What about phone’s source page 35 advanced settings ?
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Post by robo on Nov 26, 2022 10:29:34 GMT -6
Why not just mix on monitors? Because most of us are mixing in compromised rooms, and switching rooms (virtually) is a more powerful reference than a second pair of monitors. |
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Post by thehightenor on Nov 26, 2022 11:25:55 GMT -6
Why not just mix on monitors? Because most of us are mixing in compromised rooms, and switching rooms (virtually) is a more powerful reference than a second pair of monitors. Isn't mixing on headphones a compromise too? |
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 26, 2022 12:31:32 GMT -6
i think what matters is how well calibrated you are to what ever you mix on/in, how well do you know your : room, monitors, cans, its about your sonic judgement and what informs it ?
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Post by robo on Nov 26, 2022 13:01:20 GMT -6
Because most of us are mixing in compromised rooms, and switching rooms (virtually) is a more powerful reference than a second pair of monitors. Isn't mixing on headphones a compromise too? That’s what this technology is looking to cure! In my experience, even before this update, it did a good job. Of course, there are advantages too. You can travel and always have a familiar virtual environment to work in. Also, they compensate for the loudness curve, so you don’t need to crank the volume to hear a proportional frequency balance. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 26, 2022 13:04:13 GMT -6
How much better, do you simply find the headphones themselves in terms detail and flatness: thx !
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Post by robo on Nov 26, 2022 15:42:41 GMT -6
How much better, do you simply find the headphones themselves in terms detail and flatness: thx ! I wouldn’t use the headphones without the software. They aren’t really designed for that, though they don’t sound awful or anything. There is a profile in the software that basically turns them into perfectly flat cans without any spatial stuff. That can be a handy reference. |
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Slate vsx
Nov 26, 2022 16:46:52 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 26, 2022 16:46:52 GMT -6
K, is it called linear or something like that, sort of an internal reference check?
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Post by robo on Nov 26, 2022 20:55:15 GMT -6
K, is it called linear or something like that, sort of an internal reference check? Yes can’t remember the name but yeah it is very detailed and forensic. I’ve switched to it once or twice hunting down a weird resonance or something. |
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Post by viciousbliss on Nov 26, 2022 21:03:12 GMT -6
Some monitors make everything sound awesome, which is why I stopped using the LSR-305s. When I first got VSX, I noticed that I didn’t make a lot of changes to some that I did on the K701 and the Twin. Will have to reread the N’s manual when I get back. Some stuff I did on VSX sounded awful on computer speakers. What I do with the N is listen to classic album tracks and try to get a feel for what stuff is supposed to sound like. The more experienced I get, the more I can sort of reverse engineer an album and figure out what sort of things they did.
Mainly in terms of fx usage and settings, how much compression, bass guitar level. Basic stuff.
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Post by viciousbliss on Nov 27, 2022 14:40:19 GMT -6
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but guess its all relative!
