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Post by indiehouse on Nov 23, 2022 9:50:57 GMT -6
Anyone have any luck using Melodyne to tighten timing on finger picked acoustics? I don’t need to change tuning, it’s just slightly off here and there, timing wise. I can retrack if needed, but that would take some effort. I tried elastic audio, but got weird artifacts.
I originally tracked to a click, but after adding and quantizing a cajone, it isn’t as tight as I want it. Hoping to cheat only to save time, which is in precious short supply.
Also, I have Melodyne 4. Is Melodyne 5 worth the upgrade?
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Post by sean on Nov 23, 2022 10:04:40 GMT -6
If you get weird artifacts with elastic audio you can try deleting the unused analysis markers and sometimes that will help
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Post by thehightenor on Nov 23, 2022 10:33:25 GMT -6
Anyone have any luck using Melodyne to tighten timing on finger picked acoustics? I don’t need to change tuning, it’s just slightly off here and there, timing wise. I can retrack if needed, but that would take some effort. I tried elastic audio, but got weird artifacts. I originally tracked to a click, but after adding and quantizing a cajone, it isn’t as tight as I want it. Hoping to cheat only to save time, which is in precious short supply. Also, I have Melodyne 4. Is Melodyne 5 worth the upgrade? I thought the upgrade to 5 was worth it, I only upgrade though when they have a sale on. |
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Post by Ward on Nov 23, 2022 10:55:44 GMT -6
I'LL TELL YOU ONE THING: Vocal Align does NOT work at this.
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Post by tkaitkai on Nov 23, 2022 11:06:21 GMT -6
Melodyne is decent for this, but not perfect. Generally, the more complex the playing, the harder it is to get transparent results. If it's just single-note/monophonic stuff, you can absolutely go to town. I'm also interested in finding better tools for the job. I've heard good things about Luna's time-stretching algorithms, but alas, I no longer own an Apollo.
Another one I've been meaning to check out is Serato's Pitch 'n Time. Looks to be more of a DJ tool, so I'm not sure how useful it would be for in-depth editing, but I feel like I remember someone recommending it for this exact purpose. |
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Post by ericn on Nov 23, 2022 11:22:18 GMT -6
Most of the pitch tuning software really seam’s designed for vocals, Melodyne can work for instruments, if used gently, but I can see a really good finger picker confusing the hell out of it.
Honestly for something like this old Eventide hardware and doing it manually is probably best, but you want it fast and that never was fast.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Nov 23, 2022 12:02:53 GMT -6
I know this can be done using Logic, but I've never tried it.
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Post by svart on Nov 23, 2022 12:21:33 GMT -6
I forget which algorithm to use in melodyne, but one of them is specifically for this kind of work, but I've never personally done it.
I also upgraded to 5 from 4 and it trashed my install and I had to not only redo the install again, but I lost my saved presets and I had to reinstall Amplitube 4 to get it to work again.
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Post by indiehouse on Nov 23, 2022 12:26:28 GMT -6
I’ll try Melodyne. I’m not asking for it to do much. Just a little nudge here and there.
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Post by sean on Nov 23, 2022 14:59:46 GMT -6
Also sometimes changing the plugin Pro Tools uses for TC/E makes a difference.
Serato Pitch N Time does work well and I think it has a 30 day demo
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Post by indiehouse on Nov 23, 2022 15:20:48 GMT -6
Also sometimes changing the plugin Pro Tools uses for TC/E makes a difference. Serato Pitch N Time does work well and I think it has a 30 day demo I tried polyphonic, rhythmic, etc. All produced varying degrees of artifacts/warbling. |
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Post by bchurch on Nov 23, 2022 15:47:48 GMT -6
I doubt that you would want to try a completely different DAW for this, but holy moly, the native pitch and time correction in Cubase Pro is unbelievably good. I was an avowed Pitch n Time fan before that.
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Post by jeremygillespie on Nov 23, 2022 16:19:22 GMT -6
When I’ve had this problem in the past I simply go through and edit by hand in pro tools, nudge things around and then pull back the audio and give a small cross fade. Stretching acoustic guitars or cymbals never sounds right to me. It would have to be quite out of time for this approach to not work. Time consuming yes but it’ll get the job done.
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Post by notneeson on Nov 23, 2022 16:30:11 GMT -6
I wouldn’t be afraid of to steal bars from better played sections and fly them in, given that it’s rubbing against something that’s already quantized.
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Post by indiehouse on Nov 23, 2022 16:52:31 GMT -6
The acoustic is such a temperament beast to track. An inch this way or that and it’s different enough to give me troubles when comping/copy/pasting.
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Post by tkaitkai on Nov 23, 2022 16:59:39 GMT -6
The acoustic is such a temperament beast to track. An inch this way or that and it’s different enough to give me troubles when comping/copy/pasting. 1000%. I hate tracking acoustic guitars. Such a pain in the ass. Probably has more to do with the fact that I’m just kind of okay as a player, but I prefer to blame the gear.  But yeah there are some good suggestions in this thread. I’ve also heard great things about Cubase for time stretching, and I will second the recommendation to manually cut/nudge/fade by hand. I almost always end up going that route. |
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Post by notneeson on Nov 23, 2022 17:13:02 GMT -6
The acoustic is such a temperament beast to track. An inch this way or that and it’s different enough to give me troubles when comping/copy/pasting. Interesting, I can’t say I’ve ever had that problem in a meaningful way. Guess I’m good at holding still while I play? |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 23, 2022 18:17:18 GMT -6
When I’ve had this problem in the past I simply go through and edit by hand in pro tools, nudge things around and then pull back the audio and give a small cross fade. Stretching acoustic guitars or cymbals never sounds right to me. It would have to be quite out of time for this approach to not work. Time consuming yes but it’ll get the job done. +1 |
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Post by Ward on Nov 23, 2022 20:27:47 GMT -6
When I’ve had this problem in the past I simply go through and edit by hand in pro tools, nudge things around and then pull back the audio and give a small cross fade. Stretching acoustic guitars or cymbals never sounds right to me. It would have to be quite out of time for this approach to not work. Time consuming yes but it’ll get the job done. +2 |
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Post by spindrift on Nov 23, 2022 21:00:28 GMT -6
Have you tried some quality time with good ol Beat Detective? I’ve had good results with tightening acoustic parts up with it.
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Post by mrgkeys on Nov 23, 2022 22:16:36 GMT -6
If you just want to move the polyphonic audio around and not change the pitch, Studio One pro from V3 on up does an amazing job. I just finished taking a 25 y.o Vox/gtr demo not recorded with a click and dragging it to a common speeded up tempo and adding bass and drums to it. Best of anything I've ever used, including Beat Detective and Melodyne. Mostly a by hand piece of work, but for 30 min time, its perfect. Yours should be a piece of cake.
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Post by tkaitkai on Nov 23, 2022 22:56:32 GMT -6
If you just want to move the polyphonic audio around and not change the pitch, Studio One pro from V3 on up does an amazing job. I just finished taking a 25 y.o Vox/gtr demo not recorded with a click and dragging it to a common speeded up tempo and adding bass and drums to it. Best of anything I've ever used, including Beat Detective and Melodyne. Mostly a by hand piece of work, but for 30 min time, its perfect. Yours should be a piece of cake. That’s great to know. Any specific algorithm in S1 you recommend? |
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Post by gwlee7 on Nov 24, 2022 7:21:16 GMT -6
If you just want to move the polyphonic audio around and not change the pitch, Studio One pro from V3 on up does an amazing job. I just finished taking a 25 y.o Vox/gtr demo not recorded with a click and dragging it to a common speeded up tempo and adding bass and drums to it. Best of anything I've ever used, including Beat Detective and Melodyne. Mostly a by hand piece of work, but for 30 min time, its perfect. Yours should be a piece of cake. Are you talking about the normal time stretch function in S1 or something more specific. I use S1 exclusively but also have to sheepishly admit that I know practically nothing about its features. |
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Post by Ward on Nov 24, 2022 9:34:22 GMT -6
Have you tried some quality time with good ol Beat Detective? I’ve had good results with tightening acoustic parts up with it. Tell me more. Cos I've never gotten decent results out of it. But I can learn! |
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Post by spindrift on Nov 24, 2022 12:02:22 GMT -6
Have you tried some quality time with good ol Beat Detective? I’ve had good results with tightening acoustic parts up with it. Tell me more. Cos I've never gotten decent results out of it. But I can learn! Highlight the clip you want to BD, make sure you start on a grid point and not between a 1/4 note per se. Go to BD, (Cmd NumKey8). Go to split, capture selection, set 1/8 or 1/16 not subdivisions, analyze. Separate, go to the next one (conform), conform with about 85-90 set on the top slider so it’s not too robotic sounding, then click conform, then do the 5msec crossfade in the next section. Then go listen….and drag out any fills or errors that sound funny. Mess with different options. On drums, it can be helpful to set a 5 or 10ms pretrigger in the separate section. Most of the time after fussing with it and options….and the analyze strength…I can get pretty good results with it. If not, it’s time for a murderously tedious editing session which I loathe. |
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