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Post by geoff738 on Nov 9, 2022 20:11:40 GMT -6
I’m basically a weekend warrior. I started this recording thing with a Tascam porta-one and a 57 in 1984. Which means I’ve been doing this for a while (or maybe just old). I was most active in the 90s doing demos and the odd independent release. 24 tracks of Adats. Yahoo! Since then I’ve acquired a lot more stuff. But my dirty little secret confessional is that for the last few years I’ve done precious little recording. Of any kind. No complete songs. I got divorced, had to sell the house and became a renter so lost my space and just haven’t gotten back in the groove. Hell, I barely play guitar anymore. So, I don’t participate actively here very often anymore, although I do check in regularly as I think there’s a good group of knowledgeable folks here. So, I hope you don’t mind me hanging around, contributing when I think I have something to contribute and maybe asking a dumb question or two one in a while.
Lessee, what else? Didn’t love 1176s back in the 90s. Thought they were too aggressive/grabby. Have since learned you can turn the knobs to not do that. I like them now. Oh, favourite dynamic mic? Not that you should care, but I’ll go with M201.
Cheers, Geoff
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Post by winetree on Nov 9, 2022 21:49:40 GMT -6
Combined posts;
"Bless me father for I have . . ."
"I haven’t recorded a full drum kit since the 90s."
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Post by Ward on Nov 10, 2022 9:51:36 GMT -6
I like SM7s. Not just on screamer vocals. Kick drum. Guitar cabs. Cheers, Geoff They are great for recording guide vocal with a band live off the floor. So I also like them, in that one brief application which lasts about 4 minutes per a song's 20-100 hours of production and never make the final mix. LOL
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Post by Ward on Nov 10, 2022 9:53:35 GMT -6
Bless me father for I have . . . Your penance is one of every Audioscape product shipped to me at… I got the address wrong, sorry. They all came back.
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Post by chessparov on Nov 10, 2022 9:56:41 GMT -6
I like SM7s. Not just on screamer vocals. Kick drum. Guitar cabs. Cheers, Geoff They are great for recording guide vocal with a band live off the floor. So I also like them, in that one brief application which lasts about 4 minutes per a song's 20-100 hours of production and never make the final mix. LOL Faster than you can say "Michael Jackson"! Chris
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Post by ericn on Nov 10, 2022 10:05:02 GMT -6
Your penance is one of every Audioscape product shipped to me at… I got the address wrong, sorry. They all came back. There is some profound deeper meaning in that, but I’m so far from being awake enough to understand. That in itself maybe the meaning.
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Post by Ward on Nov 10, 2022 10:18:09 GMT -6
I got the address wrong, sorry. They all came back. There is some profound deeper meaning in that, but I’m so far from being awake enough to understand. That in itself maybe the meaning. There's a lesson in that somewhere, but I'll be damned if I'm going to take the time to learn it ?
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Post by bchurch on Nov 10, 2022 10:46:05 GMT -6
When I saw the thread title I thought it was for those seeking absolution for gear purchases hidden from spouses etc.... Diy Dave says "much easier to sneak in a new piece of gear one Mouser cart at a time". Just kidding. My wife's eyes glaze over when I get excited about adding a new thisthing or thatthing for more than five seconds... but put so much as a new rack screw in and she'll spot it before she even puts her purse down. I think I need a better door to my home studio.
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Post by ericn on Nov 10, 2022 14:40:21 GMT -6
When I saw the thread title I thought it was for those seeking absolution for gear purchases hidden from spouses etc.... Diy Dave says "much easier to sneak in a new piece of gear one Mouser cart at a time". Just kidding. My wife's eyes glaze over when I get excited about adding a new thisthing or thatthing for more than five seconds... but put so much as a new rack screw in and she'll spot it before she even puts her purse down. I think I need a better door to my home studio. Many many years ago my wife figured out how easy it is to Google how much something is worth. Since I seldom pay any where near market price, it’s just easier to show receipts and flip stuff at a profit. Even with all the receipts she is still amazed that one month I made $2k after fees just flipping mics, even better the most I paid for any of them was $350!
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Post by teejay on Nov 17, 2022 14:24:25 GMT -6
I recorded my last project on a Studio Projects C1, using a Mackie mixer into an M-Audio Delta 410 sound card and Cool Edit Pro for my DAW. A buddy mixed it and then mastered it using SoundForge. I burned the CDs, did my own artwork and printing using Mediaface software and their CD labels, and even bought their individual "shrinkwrap" packaging so I'd look professional. None of that was embarassing. My confession is, that Christmas project was released in 2003. I felt so enthused that I decided I had to upgrade equipment so the result would sound "better". Now, almost 20 years later, after buying and selling more mics and preamps than I can remember...always thinking I could create magic if I could only find that perfect combination of equipment...and spending literally hundreds and hundreds of hours "tracking" to find the holy grail, I have no recorded project to show for it. Zero. Zilch. Nada. Yes, I've got phenomenal equipment now, but I never took the time to develop mixing skills. Now my self-imposed hurdle is I keep telling myself I don't know how to mix.
I got this quote in my email today: "Do I need to spend more time searching for better information or do I need to spend more time acting on the information I already have? Is the bottleneck strategy or execution?"
So at the risk of further embarassment, I'm making every effort to get on with execution. To just record, mix the best I can in a reasonable timeframe, and release it as is. As I told a great friend and fellow artist today, I'd rather regret some mix decisions than to regret another year without a project. In this case something IS better than nothing.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2022 5:53:17 GMT -6
Am I alone here? The only time I really struggled is when I get into the realms of synthetic, fake drums, fake guitars, fake instruments, plugins and generally just cheeping out. Now I'm not saying that every sim or plug sucks, I'm not saying there aren't genre's which are defined by that style and sometimes it is well produced, I'm not even saying there isn't cheap equipment that can blow your mind (I have a few inexpensive mic's that I'd take over any Neumann for my vox). However when we talk about equipment there's a lot of variables to factor in, for a start I might not be trying to achieve the same as somebody else.
I cannot for the life of me get my OTB chain to sound like my ITB chain, I don't care about single specifics like a 1176 comp because it's the song that matters not one piece of a grand puzzle. Even in the HW realm there's too much to factor in, for example I bought an A&H Zed-R16 expecting it to instil some sort of mojo like my old 4K did. Let's just say it didn't, the difference between that and a middle of the road interface was negligible. IME HW is no guarantee of anything, it's through the process of finding what works for you that it begins to make sense..
For example the BM ML I have, with the flick of a switch I can widen a track without it causing any phase imbalances and I can add decent sounding even harmonic distortion without a chain of plugs. The SSL G-Comp doesn't cave in or expand into ear compressing annoyances like a lot of ITB VCA's do, listen to deadmau5 ghoul's n stuff for a prime example. Thing is that was a popular well renowned track and it obviously didn't bother a lot of people, so how could one ever define what's "good" or "correct" within a consensus?
Over the years I've bought into the "tools don't matter" ethos, even believed it for a while. I've tried flavour of the month HW pieces etc. and for the most part its been a negative. In many cases we're not talking about the sound of things either.. I have also considered that as a hobby music is a money pit, sometimes I look at all the shiny stuff and ask myself why did I bother? I'm not at this stage going to earn anything from it.
That being said, I was searching for a sound that I could only achieve by acquiring what I have now and its taken decades of mistakes to get there.
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Post by gwlee7 on Nov 18, 2022 6:30:54 GMT -6
I will confess to really wanting to buy something right now and not even knowing what I want or “need”.
What I do know I need is for one of my collaborators to send me the final piece of a song so I can send it out to be mixed and get it released. I struggle with waiting on others while being a procrastinator myself. 😂
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Post by Martin John Butler on Nov 18, 2022 10:46:50 GMT -6
Knowing exactly what I want and that it only takes money to get it is incredibly frustrating and sometimes debilitating. The thing is, my gear lust isn't endless. I could do what I want for say.. $30,000-$50,000. But today, with royalties being what there are with streaming, it seems I won't be able to manage that. I could even do much of what I want for $15,000 if I had to.
I spent 3 years cobbling my most recent album together, track by track, song by song. I could get decent sounds that way, since I only needed processing for one track at a time. Cumulatively, it wasn't that far off being in a decent studio with dozens of mics and preamps. But I'm not interested in doing that again and again because I can. I wish I could use a proper studio with a few good players in the same room again.
If only there was a minimum wage for using musicians' work, where streaming services paid enough to support ourselves, it sure would be better for music in general.
What I might "confess", is that despite not having any money for gear, I still keep thinking of ways to manipulate things to buy one more thing like a Chandler REDD. The problem is that even if I managed that, then I'd want a CL1b or the new Heritage compressor, and if I had them both, I'd probably want a Dangerous 2 Bus+.
There has to be a better way..
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Post by ericn on Nov 18, 2022 10:53:17 GMT -6
Am I alone here? The only time I really struggled is when I get into the realms of synthetic, fake drums, fake guitars, fake instruments, plugins and generally just cheeping out. Now I'm not saying that every sim or plug sucks, I'm not saying there aren't genre's which are defined by that style and sometimes it is well produced, I'm not even saying there isn't cheap equipment that can blow your mind (I have a few inexpensive mic's that I'd take over any Neumann for my vox). However when we talk about equipment there's a lot of variables to factor in, for a start I might not be trying to achieve the same as somebody else. I cannot for the life of me get my OTB chain to sound like my ITB chain, I don't care about single specifics like a 1176 comp because it's the song that matters not one piece of a grand puzzle. Even in the HW realm there's too much to factor in, for example I bought an A&H Zed-R16 expecting it to instil some sort of mojo like my old 4K did. Let's just say it didn't, the difference between that and a middle of the road interface was negligible. IME HW is no guarantee of anything, it's through the process of finding what works for you that it begins to make sense.. For example the BM ML I have, with the flick of a switch I can widen a track without it causing any phase imbalances and I can add decent sounding even harmonic distortion without a chain of plugs. The SSL G-Comp doesn't cave in or expand into ear compressing annoyances like a lot of ITB VCA's do, listen to deadmau5 ghoul's n stuff for a prime example. Thing is that was a popular well renowned track and it obviously didn't bother a lot of people, so how could one ever define what's "good" or "correct" within a consensus? Over the years I've bought into the "tools don't matter" ethos, even believed it for a while. I've tried flavour of the month HW pieces etc. and for the most part its been a negative. In many cases we're not talking about the sound of things either.. I have also considered that as a hobby music is a money pit, sometimes I look at all the shiny stuff and ask myself why did I bother? I'm not at this stage going to earn anything from it. That being said, I was searching for a sound that I could only achieve by acquiring what I have now and its taken decades of mistakes to get there. Danny you bring up one of my biggest complaint about modern music, crappy LF from synths. I always hear it’s because it’s not real. OK throw on some Yaz or Yellow or Depech Mode, no it was they used synths in real control rooms on monitors that went low!
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Post by Ward on Nov 18, 2022 11:08:30 GMT -6
This could easily turn into a Moan Zone kind of complaint thread . . . a buddy of mine in Nashvegas and I are working on an album, and since we're a couple thousand miles apart ATM, we talk on the phone a bit, and last night we were decrying the extent of programmed drums and synths and piano in country music coming out of Nashville these days.
See? I'm totally not helping.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Nov 18, 2022 15:30:19 GMT -6
Someone or some band will break through Ward. It's just a matter of time. Same as in the 80's when pretty boy hair bands ruled MTV, Nirvana came out with Smells like Teen Spirit, and they were all irrelevant in one day.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2022 15:54:54 GMT -6
My intent isn't to whine but it seems to be so anti-hardware nowaday's, leveraging the best of both worlds (which does admittedly takes a lot of commitment) has made my life so much easier.
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Post by chessparov on Nov 18, 2022 16:37:48 GMT -6
And I'll do my best to remain irreverent. Just like those 80's Hair Bands, playing in those clip joint Strip clubs. Chris
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