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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 21, 2022 13:59:32 GMT -6
Just curious, anybody using one without slate plugs ins?
I find the videos demo using slate plugs, so not a good representation for non slate plug users ?
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Post by ericn on Oct 21, 2022 14:02:59 GMT -6
Just curious, anybody using one without slate plugs ins? I find the videos demo using slate plugs, so not a good representation for non slate plug users ? I wonder if it will still be supported no less available with the new owners |
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Post by ericn on Oct 21, 2022 14:03:10 GMT -6
Just curious, anybody using one without slate plugs ins? I find the videos demo using slate plugs, so not a good representation for non slate plug users ? I wonder if it will still be supported no less available with the new owners |
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Post by mcirish on Oct 21, 2022 14:35:14 GMT -6
I was looking at getting a couple for years. So, before making the plunge, I got some larger touchscreen monitors just to see how it would feel to work like that. Maybe not too surprising, I was way faster and more accurate with a mouse. That experiment saved me some money. I still did get an Android tablet and created some templates in Touch OSC to use in Nuendo. I do like that and use it on every session.
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 21, 2022 14:43:49 GMT -6
Agreed Eric, unknown currently.
I understand non slate plug users don’t get the multi-touch, so, other then it being touch screen is it really more efficient than a mouse ?
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Post by ericn on Oct 21, 2022 15:09:13 GMT -6
Agreed Eric, unknown currently. I understand non slate plug users don’t get the multi-touch, so, other then it being touch screen is it really more efficient than a mouse ? I Know Donr had / Has one, I know guys who love it and guys who hate it. One thing that is really hard to get people to understand, anything that uses HUI as a control protocol for plugins is 12bit encoder resolution, so unless a company uses its own control protocol, a mouse probably gives you better results. I remember when the Digi and Mackie guys walked in with the first pro control and were saying how great the resolution was, it was so much better than any of The VCA fader systems, it was fun pulling old lit and showing them they were mostly 12 bit and that was one of the 2 biggest complaints. |
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Post by ericn on Oct 21, 2022 16:29:59 GMT -6
Agreed Eric, unknown currently. I understand non slate plug users don’t get the multi-touch, so, other then it being touch screen is it really more efficient than a mouse ? Here is where it could get very interesting, if Slates new owners also own SSL and Digico / DIGIGRID. With SSL they have a great control if all you use it for is SSL, I have always wondered why with the DIGIGRID/Waves partner ship they didn’t get maps for the Waves stuff, now they own a more diverse plugin vendor, do you invest in major cross brand intergration. Being back in the live world I have been wondering why nobody has done for plugin control mapping what some third party vendors have done for the mapping of wiggles ( moving automated lighting ) supply the mapping of most fixtures for a fee. ETC, Martin and others don’t keep their controllers updated they buy the mappings from a third party! Someone could make some money! |
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Post by Darren Boling on Oct 21, 2022 18:19:24 GMT -6
I had a Raven for a bit, for me it was a waste of money and the touchscreen still required me to look at it. Decent monitor though. In the end Avid Artist Mix and Ableton Push ended up being way more useful.
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Post by drumsound on Oct 21, 2022 20:15:28 GMT -6
Just curious, anybody using one without slate plugs ins? I find the videos demo using slate plugs, so not a good representation for non slate plug users ? I wonder if it will still be supported no less available with the new owners Mr Ego sold his Empire? |
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Post by thirdeye on Oct 21, 2022 21:12:09 GMT -6
I wonder if it will still be supported no less available with the new owners Mr Ego sold his Empire? Only the Slate Digital portion I believe. |
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Post by the other mark williams on Oct 21, 2022 22:01:10 GMT -6
Are we even sure the Raven went to the new owners? The whole Raven lineup was under “Slate Media Technologies,” if I’m not mistaken, not “Slate Digital”. Did that division definitely get sold as well?
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 21, 2022 23:48:28 GMT -6
Raven isn’t listed as part of Slate digital, but I haven’t seen any recent quotes from Steven about Raven support. He started a new Facebook page, Dojo and is active there: I’ll ask!  |
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Post by drumsound on Oct 22, 2022 0:16:51 GMT -6
Only the Slate Digital portion I believe. So he's just selling the compressors that no one bought now? |
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Post by seawell on Oct 22, 2022 1:03:13 GMT -6
I had the dual Slate Raven set up for a while with the custom desk. It looked like a million bucks! In use however, definitely do not expect the responsiveness of an iPad. It is nowhere near that detailed or accurate. In the end, I was not willing to put in the time for the learning curve to make it worthwhile. A few of the batch commands I really looked forward to didn’t work so well and so I went back to a control surface(Avid D-Control). I like having real knobs and faders. If someone put in the time, I bet you could get really proficient on the Raven but I think it would take many, many hours.  |
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Post by thirdeye on Oct 22, 2022 18:46:32 GMT -6
Are we even sure the Raven went to the new owners? The whole Raven lineup was under “Slate Media Technologies,” if I’m not mistaken, not “Slate Digital”. Did that division definitely get sold as well? I believe it was only Slate Digital that was sold. Steven Slate will still be CEO of Steven Slate Audio - with Raven, Trigger, SVX, and Steven Slate Drums. |
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Post by ericn on Oct 22, 2022 19:12:28 GMT -6
Only the Slate Digital portion I believe. So he's just selling the compressors that no one bought now? There also was a very cool Paul Wolf designed monitor controller that I don’t think ever made it to market. |
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Post by ericn on Oct 22, 2022 19:16:56 GMT -6
Are we even sure the Raven went to the new owners? The whole Raven lineup was under “Slate Media Technologies,” if I’m not mistaken, not “Slate Digital”. Did that division definitely get sold as well? I believe it was only Slate Digital that was sold. Steven Slate will still be CEO of Steven Slate Audio - with Raven, Trigger, SVX, and Steven Slate Drums. Who knows? As Tony pointed out the non plug in Slate stuff never really caught on, and the Raven really only shines with his plugins. If the new owners who have controllers under SSL didn’t get the Raven, I can’t see them going all out to continue to support it. In other words my hunch would be the deal was probably “ Nah you keep that stuff, all we want is the plugins. |
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Post by tim on Oct 28, 2022 22:21:59 GMT -6
So he's just selling the compressors that no one bought now? There also was a very cool Paul Wolf designed monitor controller that I don’t think ever made it to market. Are you referring to the Slate Control? I have one. It was on the market for a few years. It’s great. I saw Paul has a new one in the works under his Fix company. |
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Post by ragan on Oct 29, 2022 0:42:53 GMT -6
My buddy tried the Raven out. I’m not sure he could have given it a worse review. He felt like it was very clunky.
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Post by drastic on Oct 29, 2022 16:25:06 GMT -6
My buddy tried the Raven out. I’m not sure he could have given it a worse review. He felt like it was very clunky. Yep same experience here unfortunately |
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Post by Ward on Oct 31, 2022 7:12:16 GMT -6
My buddy tried the Raven out. I’m not sure he could have given it a worse review. He felt like it was very clunky. Yep same experience here unfortunately A colleague has one. He loves the cool factor but not the clunkiness either. I'll take a HUI any day. |
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Post by ericn on Oct 31, 2022 8:18:50 GMT -6
Yep same experience here unfortunately A colleague has one. He loves the cool factor but not the clunkiness either. I'll take a HUI any day. Yeah, there has to be an issue with large touch screens as controllers. Other wise AVID would have built us a Raven with Eucon by now. I can’t help but think there is a reason the S-series is built around tablets instead. |
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Post by Ward on Oct 31, 2022 17:44:15 GMT -6
SNIP Other wise AVID would have built us a Raven with Eucon by now. I can’t help but think there is a reason the S-series is built around tablets instead. Reason? Touch tracking. |
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Post by svart on Nov 1, 2022 6:49:10 GMT -6
There's a handful of used ones at the local MusicGoRound here..
Anyway, I've told the story before.. I used to work at a company that installed touchscreens into trucks for datalogging. I took a couple home and tried using them to control the DAW. It worked, but it was a horrid experience. Cool for about an hour, then it was just time consuming.
A trackball with a scroll ring is the fastest thing I've ever used.. Cheaper too.
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Post by Ward on Nov 1, 2022 10:47:32 GMT -6
So many on-the-mark fair point comments lately!
You've all been eating your Wheaties!
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