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Post by ericn on Oct 24, 2022 20:05:36 GMT -6
...and "Reaper," according to Shelly Yakus was a U47. I can't remember, I was just trying to sing the song. That's about as pure as it gets, donr. Classic, truly classic, but an example of the fact exact memory a mic used is easy to confuse/ forget. |
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Post by Ward on Oct 25, 2022 5:29:50 GMT -6
"boatload of dynamics". Sounds Titanic. I still hope Crille... Does a Motown cover, on his KM86.  Chris I was expecting you to say "oh no, not more 414 BULS hit talk" |
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Post by chessparov on Oct 25, 2022 10:29:37 GMT -6
Yep. I can get pretty dinghy.
Chris
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Post by earlevel on Oct 26, 2022 12:20:11 GMT -6
I like how high the 414 is, and no one uses them now. Remember my friend the 414 was the low price LDC of the 70’s and 80’s right up until R0de and then all the cheap Chinese stuff followed. Yeah, it was basically the price of admission to LDC. I rented a U87 and C414B-ULS for a day ($10 each, from SIR I think), auditioned them at home. Basically, they both did the job, the U87 was something like $1200, the C414 something like $1k, but I could get it new for $700. Being a poor boy and that back when it was real money, it was a quick decision even though I thought the U87 was probably slightly better for vocals (I wasn't much of a singer at the time anyway). However, they 414 didn't require much processing to sound very good, as boring as it might be on its own. I did laugh, though, a couple of years back, when I read a comment on GS, something like "When I hear the midrange on a C414B-ULS, I want to cry"  Related: I recently check out LAVA (Acustica Audio), mic emulator. One of the source mics is Soyuz 017, which I had hooked up, so I tried a few "to" mic choices. When I got to C414B-ULS, I admit to recalling that sound, and the GS quote.  |
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Post by bossanova on Oct 26, 2022 16:11:27 GMT -6
Remember my friend the 414 was the low price LDC of the 70’s and 80’s right up until R0de and then all the cheap Chinese stuff followed. Yeah, it was basically the price of admission to LDC. I rented a U87 and C414B-ULS for a day ($10 each, from SIR I think), auditioned them at home. Basically, they both did the job, the U87 was something like $1200, the C414 something like $1k, but I could get it new for $700. Being a poor boy and that back when it was real money, it was a quick decision even though I thought the U87 was probably slightly better for vocals (I wasn't much of a singer at the time anyway). However, they 414 didn't require much processing to sound very good, as boring as it might be on its own. I did laugh, though, a couple of years back, when I read a comment on GS, something like "When I hear the midrange on a C414B-ULS, I want to cry" Related: I recently check out LAVA (Acustica Audio), mic emulator. One of the source mics is Soyuz 017, which I had hooked up, so I tried a few "to" mic choices. When I got to C414B-ULS, I admit to recalling that sound, and the GS quote. An 87 for $10 a day...🤦 It's $100 here in Austin now for 1-7 days. I think they might work with you if it's truly an overnight, but not by much. |
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Oct 31, 2022 11:34:08 GMT -6
So up to around '65 or '66, I'm guessing. Chris 1968 |
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Post by chessparov on Oct 31, 2022 13:50:27 GMT -6
Wow! Ribbons used till then. (Best Spock/Leonard Nimoy voice) "Fascinating". Chris |
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Nov 1, 2022 11:45:48 GMT -6
A 77 was used on the bass drum. This was with the front head in place, and the drum 2/3 filled with newspaper strips for damping. It probably couldn't pop the microphone the way most of today's setups will.
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Post by chessparov on Nov 1, 2022 12:00:03 GMT -6
(I feel like Pippin when Gandalf was around to answer all his-many-questions. LOL!)
So... IIRC you mentioned in the past, the EV 666 was pretty close in tone to the 77.
Am thinking then the RE20, would also approximate "77-ish" tone.
Feel free to set me straight.
Between Jim William's and Mike Tarsia's posts*, sometimes I'm tempted to add an RE20.
Thanks, Chris
*RIP Mike. You are very missed.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Nov 1, 2022 12:11:54 GMT -6
RE-20 and U47-FET seem standard today. Back in the mid '60s it was often literally whatever was left over.
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Post by chessparov on Nov 1, 2022 12:40:45 GMT -6
I really dig the 47 FET, on certain voices.
IMHO if a singer has strong Low Mids, it can sound very close to the VF-14 Tube version.
Ala Lou Rawls/You'll Never Find.
(Guessing Levi/4 Tops would've been a great match too on the FET)
Makes a lot of sense on general VO-I think.
RE20 if less detail is cool.
Chris
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Post by bossanova on Nov 1, 2022 13:40:42 GMT -6
I notice that the 47 FET seemed to make a “comeback” of sorts as a vocal mic at one point in the 80s/early 90s. Clapton cut some vocals with one, Michael Stipe was recorded with one for the first 3 R.E.M albums, James Hetfield was tracked with one on the black album, and many of the broadway cast albums from that period were recorded with a small host of suspended 47 FETs.
Does anyone know why that would be? Were the workhorse 47s and 67s starting to show their age by that time, leaving the 47 FET as an alternative to the 87 for a more rolled off/bigger Neumann sound?
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Post by chessparov on Nov 1, 2022 13:48:46 GMT -6
Bon Scott AC/DC too...
Chris
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Nov 1, 2022 15:51:25 GMT -6
Finding 67s in good shape has been difficult.
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Post by bossanova on Nov 2, 2022 17:56:25 GMT -6
Finding 67s in good shape has been difficult. As in it’s difficult in the current era, or it was already getting hard to find good 67s 30-40 years ago? I’ve heard a few stories about 47s with some mileage on them already starting to become unreliable by the late 70s (randomly crapping out, reacting badly to moisture). |
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Post by bossanova on Nov 2, 2022 18:21:27 GMT -6
I was thinking about starting a separate thread for this one but it seems like it would go better and be less redundant here:
In 2022, when do you reach for or what kind of voice/arrangement makes you reach for a u67/“67” mic on vocals? Same question for a u47/“47” mic. I’m way more familiar with 87s and I’ve always considered branching out, but I’m not as familiar with the other two outside of vintage recordings where there are lots of other factors affecting the sound.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Nov 2, 2022 18:59:34 GMT -6
It was getting hard in the '90s.
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Related: I recently check out LAVA (Acustica Audio), mic emulator. One of the source mics is Soyuz 017, which I had hooked up, so I tried a few "to" mic choices. When I got to C414B-ULS, I admit to recalling that sound, and the GS quote. 
