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Post by EmRR on Oct 18, 2022 6:42:49 GMT -6
I’ve had a 414B-ULS win on a couple female singers, but usually lives on bass amp or hollowbody jazz guitar amp.
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Post by opr on Oct 18, 2022 6:54:05 GMT -6
To add to the 90's list Chris Cornel's vocals on Soungardens Superunknown album was largely recorded on a U87 apparently he broke a few in the process... Somehow that’s the story that has gotten circulated, but it was actually a FET47. Interesting what's your source for this? There's a few YouTube interviews within the producer Michael Beinhorn who states it was a U87. |
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Post by jeremygillespie on Oct 18, 2022 8:48:25 GMT -6
Somehow that’s the story that has gotten circulated, but it was actually a FET47. Interesting what's your source for this? There's a few YouTube interviews within the producer Michael Beinhorn who states it was a U87. Jason Corsaro engineered the record. I was his assistant for about 8 years. |
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Post by opr on Oct 18, 2022 15:08:23 GMT -6
Interesting what's your source for this? There's a few YouTube interviews within the producer Michael Beinhorn who states it was a U87. Jason Corsaro engineered the record. I was his assistant for about 8 years. Cool! Some of the best sounds ever on that record for sure I love the drum sound in particular! It's so strange that both Michael and Jason had vivid yet totally different recollections of what mic Chris sang through on that record... forever a mystery. |
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Post by chessparov on Oct 18, 2022 15:13:49 GMT -6
Maybe they're not quite as Nerdy on microphones, as we are. Just maybe... LOL!  Chris |
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Post by winterland on Oct 18, 2022 20:29:49 GMT -6
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Post by opr on Oct 18, 2022 21:54:16 GMT -6
ok I just watched this again and he mentions the U87 for most of the album but he also said a Klaus heyne modified U47 fet was also used on three tracks. So both were used! Glad we got to the bottom of that! Now I can get some sleep tonight 😉
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Post by ericn on Oct 19, 2022 9:59:21 GMT -6
Maybe they're not quite as Nerdy on microphones, as we are. Just maybe... LOL! Chris There is a bit of that but more often and in private conversations “ it was a late night session 30 years ago, do you remember 30 years ago?” The classic “ dude they had great weed.” We can’t forget this one that often pops up “ there were 3 or 4 different guys who tracked it, I used xxx but I didn’t mix or produce so I’m not sure the vocal I tracked was the one used.” Quite often a heavily qualified recollection gets edited and becomes gospel. |
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Post by ericn on Oct 19, 2022 10:31:08 GMT -6
That’s a classic. I actually quote that one quite a bit especially when it comes to pointing out that the SM7 was not considered to be or touted as a competitive vocal mic until fairly recently. I like how high the 414 is, and no one uses them now. Remember my friend the 414 was the low price LDC of the 70’s and 80’s right up until R0de and then all the cheap Chinese stuff followed. IMO, Harman did it a did-service when they bought AKG started building them in China and cut the $800 street to $550 street. It lost its exclusivity. In the last days of a 414 being a high end mic, you could get 90% of the 414uls sound out of a C3000 in cardiod if you knew how to use the EQ to deal with the purposely rising freq response, or mod the sucker. The other thing is nobody could remember uls flat(ish) TLII mid bump, to most it felt like AKG was tailoring Freq response so you had to have both. But Man I will admit when Harman first said the price reductions were for a very limited time I sold a ton, and had to earn back a lot of trust when after 60 days the new low prices became permanent. I don’t think the guys at Harman understood the only time before that where AKG had that big of a price drop was when they cut an item from the line, we were selling to everyone who ever want a particular AKG but couldn’t afford it, in 60 days we filled that market. |
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Post by EmRR on Oct 19, 2022 11:47:12 GMT -6
Maybe they're not quite as Nerdy on microphones, as we are. Just maybe... LOL! Chris There is a bit of that but more often and in private conversations “ it was a late night session 30 years ago, do you remember 30 years ago?” The classic “ dude they had great weed.” We can’t forget this one that often pops up “ there were 3 or 4 different guys who tracked it, I used xxx but I didn’t mix or produce so I’m not sure the vocal I tracked was the one used.” Quite often a heavily qualified recollection gets edited and becomes gospel. It’s become clear there’s a ton of misdirection in all those classic Recording Engineer / Producer magazine articles on session setups from the ‘70’s-‘80’s. worldradiohistory.com/Archive-All-Audio/Recording_Engineer_Producer.htm |
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Post by ericn on Oct 19, 2022 13:50:59 GMT -6
There is a bit of that but more often and in private conversations “ it was a late night session 30 years ago, do you remember 30 years ago?” The classic “ dude they had great weed.” We can’t forget this one that often pops up “ there were 3 or 4 different guys who tracked it, I used xxx but I didn’t mix or produce so I’m not sure the vocal I tracked was the one used.” Quite often a heavily qualified recollection gets edited and becomes gospel. It’s become clear there’s a ton of misdirection in all those classic Recording Engineer / Producer magazine articles on session setups from the ‘70’s-‘80’s. worldradiohistory.com/Archive-All-Audio/Recording_Engineer_Producer.htm Damn it it’s all your fault, I went down the deep end with one of the last issues, Lindsey Buckingham, Hyde Street JW review of the cheap RAMSA live board. It’s all your fault Doug😁 |
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Post by EmRR on Oct 19, 2022 14:27:51 GMT -6
hahahahaha
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Post by chessparov on Oct 19, 2022 14:36:42 GMT -6
I'm trying to remember when Lindsay, left The Buckinghams. (Cues "Kind Of A Drag" ) Chris |
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Post by chessparov on Oct 19, 2022 14:38:26 GMT -6
There is a bit of that but more often and in private conversations “ it was a late night session 30 years ago, do you remember 30 years ago?” The classic “ dude they had great weed.” We can’t forget this one that often pops up “ there were 3 or 4 different guys who tracked it, I used xxx but I didn’t mix or produce so I’m not sure the vocal I tracked was the one used.” Quite often a heavily qualified recollection gets edited and becomes gospel. It’s become clear there’s a ton of misdirection in all those classic Recording Engineer / Producer magazine articles on session setups from the ‘70’s-‘80’s. worldradiohistory.com/Archive-All-Audio/Recording_Engineer_Producer.htm You mean Freddie Mercury DIDN'T ever record on an AKG 1000? I remember Paul G saying it was the original C3000... For the lead vocals on Morcheeba's album debut. Chris |
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Post by teejay on Oct 21, 2022 15:22:15 GMT -6
67-City
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Post by ericn on Oct 21, 2022 17:44:34 GMT -6
. You would be shocked to learn how much of the old footage like this was booked as a film shoot and the art director chose the mic for the look. I was disappointed when I learned this in my teens. |
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Post by bossanova on Oct 21, 2022 17:47:36 GMT -6
That’s a hell of a record. I’m not as familiar with it as other songs from the 70s but the sound and performances and production on that are all killer. The studio was, according to the internet, the Sound Factory in Hollywood.
I’m sorry that I dropped off on the 67 and 47 sections that were originally promised. My dog got sick and it’s been a hell of a couple weeks.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Oct 21, 2022 20:07:47 GMT -6
Motown only kept two 67s because there was no way to apply phantom power to some of the preamps in one studio. Everything else got replaced with solid state and the same was true of most studios in the late 1960s. When you had a room full of musicians on the union card, a tube crapping out was considered unaffordable so most tube gear got dumped.
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Post by octalsocket on Oct 22, 2022 10:38:20 GMT -6
Interesting what's your source for this? There's a few YouTube interviews within the producer Michael Beinhorn who states it was a U87. Jason Corsaro engineered the record. I was his assistant for about 8 years. I’m envious. That guy never gets enough credit, and he did so much. |
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Post by chessparov on Oct 22, 2022 12:51:03 GMT -6
Motown only kept two 67s because there was no way to apply phantom power to some of the preamps in one studio. Everything else got replaced with solid state and the same was true of most studios in the late 1960s. When you had a room full of musicians on the union card, a tube crapping out was considered unaffordable so most tube gear got dumped. Is that the same reasoning, as to why the RCA 44/77's were never used there? (AFAIK) Might have been interesting if Stevie had gone on the RE20, when they moved West Coast. Thanks, Chris |
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Post by jeremygillespie on Oct 22, 2022 22:22:38 GMT -6
Jason Corsaro engineered the record. I was his assistant for about 8 years. I’m envious. That guy never gets enough credit, and he did so much. For sure. He influenced a ton of people with the noises he captured if they know it or not. Miss him dearly. |
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Oct 24, 2022 11:45:17 GMT -6
We had 44s and 77s before all the tube and ribbon mikes got donated to the University of Michigan making way for the KM-86s.
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Post by chessparov on Oct 24, 2022 13:40:03 GMT -6
So up to around '65 or '66, I'm guessing.
Chris
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Post by donr on Oct 24, 2022 15:50:10 GMT -6
Cool. Love the Seasons. Might that have been a "video" rather than the actual tracking session? It'd be rare to have everyone playing and singing in real time, even then. I don't know any info on it, it just looks like they made a video playing along to the recording. I'm reminded of a video I saw of a young gal singing her lungs out into the wrong side of a Shure 55 "Elvis" mic. BOC's vocals were almost all U87's, some 67, and "Reaper," according to Shelly Yakus was a U47. I can't remember, I was just trying to sing the song. |
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Post by teejay on Oct 24, 2022 19:53:54 GMT -6
...and "Reaper," according to Shelly Yakus was a U47. I can't remember, I was just trying to sing the song. That's about as pure as it gets, donr. |
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