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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 7, 2022 1:07:08 GMT -6
True of AS as well. I am not saying its poor value.
I have considered many Groupdiy products in the past and price was always very attractive. I was just surprised at the price of this for a diy kit
While granted the 76 and ssl are two different comps, is the difference in diy price say Hairball to diy simply due to mono vs stereo good quality parts’ pricing : could be.
But then how is AS’s assembled almost 50% cheaper thsn the diy assembled? Perhaps, as we speculated above smaller post pandemic parts order (higher price) and smaller runs ?
Anyway, hopefully whoever builds one here, will let us know how it works and runs: I bet its a fine ssl clone!
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Post by robschnapf on Oct 10, 2022 21:54:10 GMT -6
Come on guys Warm is not a benchmark in which to compare
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 11, 2022 4:47:21 GMT -6
Disagree, as I have the Warm ssl clone and have had the audioscape and stam mki, but sold them both.
The Warm holds its own, has good parts, ( better?) features and price point.
So, in this thread, looking at value by price point and for those who don’t want to spend the diy time or the uncertainty of when would the diy, AS or Stam show up, you can just order the Warm from say Sweetwater and have it quickly.
You could also return easily, can’t with diy. There also is the used sale question raised above, selling diy can be a little tricky.
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Post by robschnapf on Oct 11, 2022 6:02:13 GMT -6
my point is I’m more interested in how said clone compares to the original not some other clone maker.
When I build something I’m not doing it thinking about flipping it.
I’m doing it for the experience of building it.
If I’m not totally satisfied with it sonically then the tweaking begins.
That’s the fun part.
And
The DIY kit (clone)is cheaper then an SSL (original).
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 11, 2022 6:26:26 GMT -6
As I said, originally, I was just surprised by the price of the diy kit, unusually high for a diy kit from this supplier and was simply putting that price for a clone into perspective.
Sounds like the original ?
Funny, thing is, I had the Warm, AS and Stam for months and they all sound different, but all very usable.
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Post by robschnapf on Oct 11, 2022 7:25:11 GMT -6
I wonder how it sounds compared to an SSL or SMart?
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Post by ericn on Oct 11, 2022 9:04:00 GMT -6
I wonder how it sounds compared to an SSL or SMart? That is Literally the $850 dollar question. |
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Post by robschnapf on Oct 11, 2022 10:38:24 GMT -6
I wonder how it sounds compared to an SSL or SMart? That is Literally the $850 dollar question. Exactly I followed the development of this thru all the phases as DIYRe was sending out the probe from breadboard to final product. They had the SSL side by side. Identified possible areas to mod/rechip. And what they discovered. It was cool to go along for the ride. |
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Post by svart on Oct 12, 2022 11:36:43 GMT -6
Apparently, they sold out in about 10 minutes once annouced.
So I guess price wasn't that big of a concern for folks.
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Post by Mister Chase on Oct 12, 2022 11:59:40 GMT -6
Apparently, they sold out in about 10 minutes once annouced. So I guess price wasn't that big of a concern for folks. If I had the $ I would have bought one. Seems like a great kit. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 12, 2022 13:03:53 GMT -6
svart: for some, not all! I hope peeps really dig them !
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2022 18:32:14 GMT -6
As I said, originally, I was just surprised by the price of the diy kit, unusually high for a diy kit from this supplier and was simply putting that price for a clone into perspective. Sounds like the original ? Funny, thing is, I had the Warm, AS and Stam for months and they all sound different, but all very usable. I mean all this shit has the upper mid/low treble VCA compressor grit with various quality sound and filters. |
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Post by bchurch on Oct 13, 2022 4:47:12 GMT -6
I considered jumping into the DIYRE kit but honestly, I've got more analog VCA "SSL-inspired" pieces racked up than I really use.
That said, looks like a great kit and an easy build (DIYRE are awesome like that) - I think we're really feeling the pinch on supply chain issues. You don't buy capacitors as often as you buy gas, so the inflated price isn't staring you in the face every few days.
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 13, 2022 4:50:02 GMT -6
When I had my ssl clones from multiple manufacturers all whom market with the “just like”, the original line, I was just amused with their sonic differences. So, for me, now, I take the “just like” marketing with a grain of salt. Building one would have been fun, but still fighting my boring federal tax battle here and losing $350 a month in clawed back benefits, (i’d rather buy gear!), with no end in sight: fun wow, what’s second prize !  |
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Post by bchurch on Oct 13, 2022 6:32:04 GMT -6
Come on guys Warm is not a benchmark in which to compare Thing about Warm is that they're marketing to a certain niche at a certain price point. I wouldn't buy a $300 312-clone and expect it to sound just like a 312. Same goes for a 73, 1176, 2A, and so on. I'm surprised there isn't a bigger mod culture for their stuff because you can absolutely make some incremental upgrades that will make a difference. The Bus Comp does the 'smacky' thing pretty well. Good for character compression. Not so much for transparency. The better clones, the Smart, and of course the actual G384 all are capable of both. Honestly, the Stam is a slightly different shade of 'that sound', but I really like it. |
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Post by matt@IAA on Oct 13, 2022 7:03:14 GMT -6
bchurch then again sometimes what you're paying for is the logo on the silk screen. the cost of the bill of materials for a 312 is around $130. 
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Post by robschnapf on Oct 13, 2022 7:32:15 GMT -6
“It’s pretty good for what it is” an endorsement quote seen never
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Post by Blackdawg on Oct 13, 2022 8:48:01 GMT -6
When I had my ssl clones from multiple manufacturers all whom market with the “just like”, the original line, I was just amused with their sonic differences. So, for me, now, I take the “just like” marketing with a grain of salt. Building one would have been fun, but still fighting my boring federal tax battle here and losing $350 a month in clawed back benefits, (i’d rather buy gear!), with no end in sight: fun wow, what’s second prize ! You probably didn't follow the process but they actually took this pretty seriously. They measured units like the sb4001, warm, an sal console, and more to see who was actually accurate on things like attack and release times. And quite (not) shockingly they were all literally all different. None of the clones where like the ssl really. Did other cool testing too. www.instagram.com/reel/CWUBI32tucT/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=www.instagram.com/reel/CXUGUferTDD/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
You can read though more about it in the design notes section on the product page. Like finding 35 differences from the original vs gssl circuit. Opamps. Ect.
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 13, 2022 8:59:06 GMT -6
I get the “just like” pitch, just think along the way, people might miss, that they have a good sounding usable ssl styke compressor, so just use it.
I appreciated all 3 of mine, but at the time the Warm had more features, so I kept it. The cinmag tranni imparts an interesting tone shift, which works in some mixes or I find I prefer not using it in others.
Be curious, to see if price of kit falls, say in two years when supply chain problems, hopefully resolve.
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Post by Mister Chase on Jul 29, 2024 11:51:22 GMT -6
Wondering if anyone has built one of these yet. I am thinking about adding one alongside the AS Bus comp I have for alternate buss compression on mixes.
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Post by Blackdawg on Jul 29, 2024 14:30:36 GMT -6
I haven't. This was one that I wasn't able to swing at the time when demos were available. Wouldn't mind trying it out though.
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