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Post by Bob Olhsson on Dec 8, 2022 13:06:15 GMT -6
They are still bundling perpetual licenses with hardware and offer reinstatement from time to time.
What has changed is that they have dropped the prices and added enough features to the free, artist and studio versions that a lot of people won't ever need ultimate (HD) unless they do post.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 9, 2022 2:11:50 GMT -6
I see sale $79 artist, $199 studio and $599, ultimate, respectively, are these perpetual?
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Post by drbill on Dec 9, 2022 9:33:52 GMT -6
I see sale $79 artist, $199 studio and $599, ultimate, respectively, are these perpetual? ?? I dunno, but there's zero doubt that the whole pricing structure at AVID is insanely complicated. I only buy a perpetual license. I have a very experienced PT guy that I buy hardware and software from, and he just sets me up as needed so I never really have to think about it. I use the license for a few years, then upgrade it during one of the always ubiquitous "sales" that they put out. Even if I have to buy a new ultimate license, I only do it every 3 years or so - so even without a sale it's really not that much for me. YMMV!  I'm guessing that I probably spend on average about $150-200 a year to keep the system running. [edit] : when you buy a perpetual license, you get 1 year of free upgrades. Generally, I'm a don't upgrade it if you don't need it kinda guy - so that suits me perfectly. At the 1 year point after buying, I upgrade to the latest - then wait another year, and if I don't need anything, I'll go another year after that. Generally I'm only 2 years "behind" the curve at most. Hope that makes sense. If you're a update every new OS, and every version of software from here to eternity kinda guy, then the subscription is probably a better option. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 9, 2022 10:17:49 GMT -6
“” I dunno, but there's zero doubt that the whole pricing structure at AVID is insanely complicated. “” I think of buying logic as buying protools for dummies ! |
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Post by drbill on Dec 10, 2022 10:55:32 GMT -6
“” I dunno, but there's zero doubt that the whole pricing structure at AVID is insanely complicated. “” I think of buying logic as buying protools for dummies ! ?? Maybe. But Logic is not nearly as intuitive as PT - at least for us old dinosaurs. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 10, 2022 11:25:29 GMT -6
Ha ha, we are similar ages I think. It took me about 6 months to get pt’s out of my head, now when I open PT’s it seems weird ! |
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Post by RealNoob on Dec 13, 2022 21:58:03 GMT -6
Off topic -
was researching soloing in PT and ended up on AFL although volume jumps dramatically and I have no control. I am sure this is the oldest noob question. I am truly stumped even after googling.
What I want is to solo a buss or aux and when I do, hear everything coming into it. This is SOP for studio one and all live mixers. What am I missing?
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 13, 2022 22:08:23 GMT -6
Off topic - was researching soloing in PT and ended up on AFL although volume jumps dramatically and I have no control. I am sure this is the oldest noob question. I am truly stumped even after googling. What I want is to solo a buss or aux and when I do, hear everything coming into it. This is SOP for studio one and all live mixers. What am I missing? Not looking at keyboard but if you select/highlight all the channels that are going into the aux and then I believe it’s shift/option/command and click on the solo button on one of the highlighted channels, it will make all of them greyed out. Think thats called solo safe or something. Then on the AUX, make sure you click the solo safe off of it. I think that’s control/click solo button. In the latest version, when you create a aux channel, I believe it automatically in solo safe. Used to not be. Wish it still wasn’t. |
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Post by RealNoob on Dec 13, 2022 22:15:12 GMT -6
So you can't solo a bus collectively and retain the option to solo a channel in that batch?
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 13, 2022 22:54:35 GMT -6
If you took off all the solo safe’s and solo safe’s the aux, you could then solo individual channels. You could also group all the channels that go to the aux. Then it’s just one move to take them all in or out of solo safe.
This is how I usually build my drum bus. All drum channels going to one Drumbus/Aux. I then solo the Drumbus/Aux. then I control click the Kick and add processing and get it where I want it. Then move to the snare do the same thing. Then so on down the line. Then later when I want to solo the entire Drumbus, I just click the solo button on the Drumbus and it’s all there. If I want to hear -say a tom- solo’d, I’d highlight the drum channels, option/cmd/shift and click solo and all the channels are out of solo safe and you can solo the individual channels.
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Post by bchurch on Dec 14, 2022 6:45:12 GMT -6
“” I dunno, but there's zero doubt that the whole pricing structure at AVID is insanely complicated. “” I think of buying logic as buying protools for dummies ! ?? Maybe. But Logic is not nearly as intuitive as PT - at least for us old dinosaurs. ProTools is best considered (to me) a record / edit / mix platform. Logic/Cubase/etc are compose / record / edit / mix. Granted, I've tried to absorb Logic a dozen times since the 90's and it's just never made sense to me. It went from eMagic's 'object based environment' that felt more like Opcode MAX to Apple's "Garage Band Pro" edition (never trust a DAW with EQ presets). No offense intended to its users, of course - it's as powerful a DAW as there is. I just never jived with it. While Steinberg probably owes me an influencer check by now, I really do stan for Cubase - it can feel exactly like PT as a side-scroller track/mix/edit DAW, but you can compose and experiment as both a musician and an engineer. |
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Post by drbill on Dec 14, 2022 10:05:34 GMT -6
?? Maybe. But Logic is not nearly as intuitive as PT - at least for us old dinosaurs. ProTools is best considered (to me) a record / edit / mix platform. Logic/Cubase/etc are compose / record / edit / mix. Granted, I've tried to absorb Logic a dozen times since the 90's and it's just never made sense to me. It went from eMagic's 'object based environment' that felt more like Opcode MAX to Apple's "Garage Band Pro" edition (never trust a DAW with EQ presets). No offense intended to its users, of course - it's as powerful a DAW as there is. I just never jived with it. While Steinberg probably owes me an influencer check by now, I really do stan for Cubase - it can feel exactly like PT as a side-scroller track/mix/edit DAW, but you can compose and experiment as both a musician and an engineer. Writing is what I do most. I used to write in DP, then transfer everything over to PT. In the fast paced film world, getting home by 8 at night, having to re-write and re-record and re-mix a couple of cues and be back on the dub stage by 10AM the next morning got really old. I finally switched over to 100% writing in PT as well. It was a little sketchy at first, but as I got used to it's quirks, it has become second nature, and I can write just as fast in PT as anywhere else I've tried - I just had to learn to bend into it instead of trying to bend it to fit how I worked in DP. Same problems as switching any kind of software. Having ALL aspects of audio production in ONE DAW has become so elegant and fast for me. My new templates are getting complex enough that I am not even having to do manual recalls on all my outboard gear - or a second pass for stems. (more on that at some stage). |
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Post by bchurch on Dec 15, 2022 8:07:49 GMT -6
Luckily I don’t need to go out into multitracks for PT that often, so it’s a non-issue. In fairness, I jumped ship from using ProTools as my DAW around v6 or v7 twenty years ago and I should imagine its MIDI capabilities have advanced from the MasterTracks Pro (in color!) type offerings it had then.
What’s funny is, as I do still work in ProTools when needed, I much prefer the Cubase Pro environment. I work just as fast mixing and editing as I ever did, if not faster.
But again - it’s not how powerful your system is, it’s how powerful it makes you. It’s awesome to not want for anything (except stable updates and leaner CPU consumption).
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Post by hoot on Dec 31, 2022 1:06:43 GMT -6
Time to revisit this thread on account of the new update!
Is anybody having luck with this M1 Beta? I’m wondering pretty specifically how Acustica-heavy sessions are running!
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