ji43
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Post by ji43 on Oct 2, 2022 7:09:27 GMT -6
Got a second U67 Reissue, and am interested in exploring some stereo micing on acoustic guitar.
Typically been using a single 67 12 inches from the 14th fret, perpendicular to the fretboard.
For the second 67, I am thinking of setting it up on the same plane, but just below the bridge. Though I am interested in some other ideas or optimal placement tips for tracking an acoustic guitar w/ 2 LDCs. Thanks!
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 2, 2022 7:20:52 GMT -6
One over your shoulder aimed down towards the 12th fret can be interesting, the other in front, more aimed at bridge, experiment to find the sound at source you prefer.
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Post by deif on Oct 2, 2022 8:50:17 GMT -6
Check out this video
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 2, 2022 10:35:06 GMT -6
Despite the general consensus about how best to record acoustic guitar in stereo, I found that one mic pointing at the front and one mic above my right shoulder worked best for me. Try that once, just in case you like it.
I found it was better than using EQ. The percentage of the blend of different mics gave me various tonal options.
I bet 2 U67's is gonna sound incredibly good!
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Post by drbill on Oct 2, 2022 12:32:59 GMT -6
Despite the general consensus about how best to record acoustic guitar in stereo, I found that one mic pointing at the front and one mic above my right shoulder worked best for me. Try that once, just in case you like it. ^^. Yes. My preferred stereo Ac Gtr method as well. Preferred positioning and mics : KM84 off 12th fret. U87 over R shoulder pointing down at or near sound hole. |
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Post by Tbone81 on Oct 2, 2022 12:40:50 GMT -6
Despite the general consensus about how best to record acoustic guitar in stereo, I found that one mic pointing at the front and one mic above my right shoulder worked best for me. Try that once, just in case you like it. ^^. Yes. My preferred stereo Ac Gtr method as well. Preferred positioning and mics : KM84 off 12th fret. U87 over R shoulder pointing down at or near sound hole. My room kind of sucks for tracking so I haven’t done a lot of experiments with stereo micing like that but let me ask…how do you deal with phase issues in that setup? Are you aiming for equal distance from the 12th fret? Or are you just ear balling it? |
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Post by drbill on Oct 2, 2022 12:54:20 GMT -6
^^. Yes. My preferred stereo Ac Gtr method as well. Preferred positioning and mics : KM84 off 12th fret. U87 over R shoulder pointing down at or near sound hole. My room kind of sucks for tracking so I haven’t done a lot of experiments with stereo micing like that but let me ask…how do you deal with phase issues in that setup? Are you aiming for equal distance from the 12th fret? Or are you just ear balling it? As a note : I would consider this "close mic-ing". The mics being 12-18" off the instrument - maybe a touch closer if those mics are not available, or if the room is becoming problematic. The entire soundboard and neck are resonating of course, and if I'm say....12" off the 12th fret, normally the U87 is approx 12" off the upper quadrant of the soundboard that's above the sound hole and the 87 is pointing down towards the soundboard towards the sound hole. Certainly, there can be phase issues being relatively close to the instrument, but generally I have not found them to be problematic in most instances. A mono sum still yeilds a full and rich sound, while a stereo hard L/R pan yields a beautiful stereo image. I hope that makes sense. BTW, I rarely stereo mic guitars, but when I do, that's where I head first. |
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Post by Darren Boling on Oct 2, 2022 21:49:33 GMT -6
Not really stereo but I'm a fan of the close and far mic (then panned opposite with any adventurous effects usually on the further mic). I guess really it's just a room mic but usually try to keep it fairly close, just far enough out to avoid any phase weirdness and usually they're different types. 84/49, 160/c38, 67/c37, 84/McHughes AMM-68 have been some great combos, swapping roles if stacking.
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 2, 2022 22:03:39 GMT -6
Got a second U67 Reissue, and am interested in exploring some stereo micing on acoustic guitar. Typically been using a single 67 12 inches from the 14th fret, perpendicular to the fretboard. For the second 67, I am thinking of setting it up on the same plane, but just below the bridge. Though I am interested in some other ideas or optimal placement tips for tracking an acoustic guitar w/ 2 LDCs. Thanks! Sound Radix Auto Align |
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Post by ab101 on Oct 2, 2022 22:39:10 GMT -6
Got a second U67 Reissue, and am interested in exploring some stereo micing on acoustic guitar. Typically been using a single 67 12 inches from the 14th fret, perpendicular to the fretboard. For the second 67, I am thinking of setting it up on the same plane, but just below the bridge. Though I am interested in some other ideas or optimal placement tips for tracking an acoustic guitar w/ 2 LDCs. Thanks! Sound Radix Auto Align Little off topic - but anyone tried this Sound Radix Auto Align on a drum kit with multiple mics obviously? |
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Post by svart on Oct 3, 2022 8:40:26 GMT -6
ORTF arrangement, a couple feet out, one mic aimed at the head, the other just south of the sound hole.
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One mic aimed at the middle of the fretboard, the other aimed at the bridge. Closeness to taste (or as much proximity effect as you can stand. It won't sound so stereo, but it might poke out in the mix better this way.
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 3, 2022 10:43:01 GMT -6
Little off topic - but anyone tried this Sound Radix Auto Align on a drum kit with multiple mics obviously? I’d only use it on kick in/out and snare top and bottom |
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Post by jampa on Oct 3, 2022 14:04:25 GMT -6
Little off topic - but anyone tried this Sound Radix Auto Align on a drum kit with multiple mics obviously? Yep all over the place if required Surprised me with results on room mics synced to snare top mic. All of a sudden was too much fundamental. I can see why some people delay the room mics instead |
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Post by spindrift on Oct 3, 2022 20:23:02 GMT -6
Whatever the technique, I almost never hard pan them. And 67s are a great choice on lighter smaller bodied guitars. I find they can be a little overweight on the big dog dreads and jumbos when both are up close.
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Post by drumsound on Oct 3, 2022 22:20:30 GMT -6
Little off topic - but anyone tried this Sound Radix Auto Align on a drum kit with multiple mics obviously? Yep all over the place if required Surprised me with results on room mics synced to snare top mic. All of a sudden was too much fundamental. I can see why some people delay the room mics instead The point of room mics is the delay from the source. It's about a millisecond per foot. Room mics are meant to have air and space. |
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Post by jampa on Oct 4, 2022 1:59:10 GMT -6
Yep all over the place if required Surprised me with results on room mics synced to snare top mic. All of a sudden was too much fundamental. I can see why some people delay the room mics instead The point of room mics is the delay from the source. It's about a millisecond per foot. Room mics are meant to have air and space. Yep it's another sound, different opportunity To circle back to OP, option applies to any close/room sound |
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Post by b0b0 on Oct 6, 2022 15:07:56 GMT -6
I have been absolutely loving M/S recording of acoustics lately. Lots of flexibility in terms of stereo spread when it comes to mixing, less concern or fuss re phase.
I use a pair of UM70s for this, and really dig it.
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Post by anders on Oct 7, 2022 1:48:17 GMT -6
I have been absolutely loving M/S recording of acoustics lately. Lots of flexibility in terms of stereo spread when it comes to mixing, less concern or fuss re phase. I'm always having a hard time wrapping my head around what will happen on mono playback, but haven't been curious enough to actually test it side by side with f.i. ORTF; won't you be losing the Fig8 signal, and hence a lot of room information, and just be keeping the more dry cardioid component in mono? |
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Post by stevenlmorgan on Oct 7, 2022 3:29:01 GMT -6
I use a Soyuz 017 FET a foot off the 12th fret and a 67 Reissue over the right shoulder, measure distance and check phase.
Chris at Hendyamps filled me in on this, his preferred pattern, and later, he and Landon created this video with examples of many options:
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Post by thehightenor on Oct 7, 2022 4:25:56 GMT -6
I've been experimenting with Middle and Side recording - the results are very different in a good way and another less explored option.
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Post by chewmacca on Oct 7, 2022 23:00:10 GMT -6
I have a couple of u67, but it’s hard to use them for a stereo recording. I do use them for mono, or just 2 mics on an acoustic (not necessarily stereo).
For stereo acoustic, I prefer a pair of km84s. Much easier to place.
I love mono u67 when the guitar is featured in the song. Stereo more for a rhythm track.
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Post by javamad on Oct 8, 2022 2:02:34 GMT -6
I do the one in front and one over the right shoulder too
I generally measure to the bridge to get phase right
You have to be careful though with that shoulder mic if the player is a heavy breather :-)
I would only do stereo though if the acoustic part is going to be on its own and you need/want that big sound ..
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Post by drumsound on Oct 8, 2022 9:36:24 GMT -6
I have been absolutely loving M/S recording of acoustics lately. Lots of flexibility in terms of stereo spread when it comes to mixing, less concern or fuss re phase. I use a pair of UM70s for this, and really dig it. I've been experimenting with Middle and Side recording - the results are very different in a good way and another less explored option. I'm curious about placement when you both do M/S on acoustic. Is the array in front of the sound hole? Times I tried it closer to the 12-14th fret the left was boomy from the sound how and the right wasn't, and the whole thing felt wonky. |
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