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Post by AgnosticGospel on Sept 29, 2022 6:58:37 GMT -6
Here's a question that has proven difficult to google. I'm considering making the jump to 500 series gear. All of the modules I'm interested in are "double wide" modules. That being the case, does it even matter whether my chassis has the "link" feature on the back? With double wide modules which I would want to use in series, slot 1 wouldn't link to slot 2, would it? I would actually want slot 1 to link to slot 3 at that point, right? And slot 2 would need to link to slot 4. Is there some way around this, or do all doublewide modules need to be cabled up in the back of the chassis instead of using the link feature? I can't think my way around this issue.  |
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Post by ericn on Sept 29, 2022 8:29:34 GMT -6
Here's a question that has proven difficult to google. I'm considering making the jump to 500 series gear. All of the modules I'm interested in are "double wide" modules. That being the case, does it even matter whether my chassis has the "link" feature on the back? With double wide modules which I would want to use in series, slot 1 wouldn't link to slot 2, would it? I would actually want slot 1 to link to slot 3 at that point, right? And slot 2 would need to link to slot 4. Is there some way around this, or do all doublewide modules need to be cabled up in the back of the chassis instead of using the link feature? I can't think my way around this issue. I don’t know of any chassis that will link as you want, but in all honesty I would get a patchbay for ease and versatility of being able to change things without digging in back. |
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Post by anders on Sept 29, 2022 11:14:17 GMT -6
I second what Eric says; you'd want to keep the flexibility. Or you can use a set of XLR jumper cables in the back (assuming you have access to the back), so you won't have to take out modules to change your config.
That said; the Capi 11 width rack unit has jumper switches for all positions, so all 11 slots may be jumpered.
If you're going 11 wide, I strongly recommend going XLR and not DB25, the longevity of DB25 connectors isn't very impressive.
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Post by ericn on Sept 29, 2022 11:21:24 GMT -6
I second what Eric says; you'd want to keep the flexibility. Or you can use a set of XLR jumper cables in the back (assuming you have access to the back), so you won't have to take out modules to change your config. That said; the Capi 11 width rack unit has jumper switches for all positions, so all 11 slots may be jumpered. If you're going 11 wide, I strongly recommend going XLR and not DB25, the longevity of DB25 connectors isn't very impressive. Plus if it has more or less than 8 slots your buying useless cabling and if it’s XLR on the other end you might be putting a load on those crappy Dsubs ! |
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Post by christopher on Sept 29, 2022 13:32:11 GMT -6
At this point I wish they’d just offer solder eyelets if they want to be cheap. Maybe some tape over it? Or they could always go screw terminal if they didn’t mind a few dollars. Or maybe the solder eyes mate with screw terminals, so it’s user choice?
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Post by johneppstein on Sept 29, 2022 14:28:43 GMT -6
I second what Eric says; you'd want to keep the flexibility. Or you can use a set of XLR jumper cables in the back (assuming you have access to the back), so you won't have to take out modules to change your config. That said; the Capi 11 width rack unit has jumper switches for all positions, so all 11 slots may be jumpered. If you're going 11 wide, I strongly recommend going XLR and not DB25, the longevity of DB25 connectors isn't very impressive. You exaggerate the reliability of DB25s.
Seriously, if you do get DB25s you'l probably need to purchase fan-outs to XLR anyway, which (solutionj) is clumsy to use, less reliable, and when all is added up, more expensive in most, if not all cases.
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Post by ericn on Sept 29, 2022 15:53:04 GMT -6
At this point I wish they’d just offer solder eyelets if they want to be cheap. Maybe some tape over it? Or they could always go screw terminal if they didn’t mind a few dollars. Or maybe the solder eyes mate with screw terminals, so it’s user choice? Yeah the original Aphex 9000 and DBX 900 racks had screw terminals. The European standered Pheonix connector are pretty inexpensive. |
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Post by AgnosticGospel on Sept 29, 2022 16:18:41 GMT -6
Yeah you guys lost me! 🤣
I basically just want to throw a stereo EQ and a set of IGS Tubecore 500s in a rack to use as my outboard "channel better-er". I think I should just cable it up with xlrs and stop worrying about it! Thanks for the replies!
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Post by AgnosticGospel on Sept 29, 2022 16:22:53 GMT -6
Although- I would be happy to entertain suggestions for which chassis to get. 2 IGS tubecore 500s and a double-spaced EQ. I know those tubecore have some power requirements!
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Post by anders on Sept 29, 2022 16:42:29 GMT -6
Although- I would be happy to entertain suggestions for which chassis to get. 2 IGS tubecore 500s and a double-spaced EQ. I know those tubecore have some power requirements! If you're just in for 2 pres and a single EQ, and they're all 2 wide, plus you'll never want to go beyond those 6 slots for your entire life, the API lunchbox worked fine for me until I wanted more. There's also (if you're in the US) the CAPI (DIY or find a finished one). If you're in Europe, TAC is nice, and has a power supply which is able to power an electric chair on the side without flinching. These are both 11 slot, and fit in a 19" rack. You can leave the spare slots open, use blind plates, or expand with some extra stuff. AML's 1073s and Pultec clones come recommended. |
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Post by james7800 on Sept 30, 2022 16:44:52 GMT -6
To get back to the original question, we might need some clarification. It sounds like you're wanting to send the audio from module to module without cables. The large majority of 500 series chassis that have a "link" feature aren't doing that. What they are "linking" is the sidechain audio for single slot compressor modules. For instance, if you get two RND 535 compressors and put them side by side in a chassis with a link function they will share sidechain audio with each other allowing both modules to compress the same amount (or you can disable linking to have them compress independently).
There may be a few chassis that actually can send audio between slots, API 8B comes to mind, but that would not work if you are using double wide stereo modules as it will just send the audio from slot 1, to 2, to 3, etc. Where with stereo modules you will need to send 1 to 3, 2 to 4, etc like you describe.
Basically you'll need to cable them in the back.
Hope that helps.
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Post by Blackdawg on Sept 30, 2022 22:54:45 GMT -6
Yes you can do this. Double wides only take I/O from the 1st slot they plug into. Unless they are stereo, they you are going to have to just cable that.
So if you get a chassis that does built in daisy chaining you would just daisy 1 to 2 and then 2 to 3.
THAT said.
Linking and daisy chaining are NOT the same thing.
Linking features have to do with usually Side chain functions of 500 modules.
Daisy chaining means literally taking the ouput of a slot to the adjacent input of the next slot.
Not a lot of chassis do this internally. But some do. The TAC500 chassis do this with just a toggle switch on the back, you can send the output to the input next to it. Very handy for situations like what you are talking about. Others do this too. Just make sure it'll work in the manner you need.
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Post by thehightenor on Oct 1, 2022 1:41:34 GMT -6
Although- I would be happy to entertain suggestions for which chassis to get. 2 IGS tubecore 500s and a double-spaced EQ. I know those tubecore have some power requirements! I'd consider either the IGS own chassis or the Wes Audio Titan. For those tube 500 series units you really want a chassis with plenty of power headroom. |
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