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Post by beyer160 on Sept 24, 2022 9:15:50 GMT -6
According to Daking, the preamp sections of the Mic Pre/EQ and Mic Pre One / Mic Pre II are essentially the same, the only practical difference being the fact that the Mic Pre/EQ has an output transformer and the Mic Pre II doesn't (although there's a Mic Pre IIT version that does have output iron). Daking says the difference is minimal, but I wanted to see if anyone had heard both and could relate their impressions. I know the OT is a Jensen that's designed not to have a "sound", but I'm a nerd and I think about such things. I have a Mic Pre/EQ, and I'm deciding whether to buy a second or a Mic Pre II (or a Mic Pre IIT).
Thanks!
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 24, 2022 10:03:17 GMT -6
In case you are interested, there is a 4 pre daking on GS now, reasonably priced.
I have the 2 pre non transformer model but haven’t tried the transformer model so can’t answer your question.
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Post by gwlee7 on Sept 24, 2022 10:09:59 GMT -6
I like my non output transformer mic pre IIs as well. I think you would be very happy with either choice.
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Post by robo on Sept 24, 2022 10:18:50 GMT -6
I don’t have the transformerless version, but have heard comparisons enough to know the Daking sound is largely the amplifier circuit which is the same. Transformer version, like you and I have, is slightly slower/thicker. Nothing dramatic, but you wouldn’t make a stereo pair out of them mixed.
I was considering having an all-Daking setup for a while and was thinking I’d lean on the transformerless version for overheads and acoustic instruments.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2022 10:30:06 GMT -6
Both the Jensens and the THAT buffers have a sound. Get the Jensens
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Post by ericn on Sept 24, 2022 13:03:28 GMT -6
Both the Jensens and the THAT buffers have a sound. Get the Jensens Yeah the tell tail is if you really push the output, the Transformer his just a bit kinder, gentler. Not saying the THAT output version is bad, just like the iron a little more, and for the money the transformer less is a steal.
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Post by beyer160 on Sept 24, 2022 17:56:12 GMT -6
Thanks for the feedback. After writing it out, the solution seems simple- I'm going to buy a Mic Pre II since as much as I like the Daking EQ, an additional pair of preamps is more useful in my current setup. If for some reason I find the lack of magical transformer mojo unbearable I can simply buy a pair of 1:1 transformers, mount them in a box, and run the output of the Mic Pre II through them. Hell, I could even use steel core transformers for maximum vintage mojo.
The reality of course is that they'll probably sound great and I won't bother.
It's funny- I don't generally have trouble coming up with solutions to large, complex problems but stuff like this sends me into analysis paralysis.
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 24, 2022 18:15:09 GMT -6
I doubt you’ll be unhappy !
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Post by phdamage on Sept 24, 2022 19:57:05 GMT -6
In case you are interested, there is a 4 pre daking on GS now, reasonably priced. I have the 2 pre non transformer model but haven’t tried the transformer model so can’t answer your question. That listing looked sketchy to me - “bouston” and the only other listing he has is a bit underpriced also.
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Post by ericn on Sept 24, 2022 20:21:20 GMT -6
A friend who has both lust put it this way as we are are sitting at the bar, and they ran out of food before we got here we are talking micro meters difference. If you think a it’s the that chip that’s keeping you from making great records, you need help!
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Post by beyer160 on Sept 24, 2022 21:44:20 GMT -6
A friend who has both lust put it this way as we are are sitting at the bar, and they ran out of food before we got here we are talking micro meters difference. If you think a it’s the that chip that’s keeping you from making great records, you need help! Absolutely, but by that logic I could just use a Mackie 1604 and some old ADATs since it worked for Glenn Ballard. I totally realize I'm splitting some very fine technical hairs but I tend to notice this kind of stuff, and I figured it was worth asking around. I swear I'm not always like this...
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 25, 2022 2:39:42 GMT -6
I already have transformers in my 2 bus ssl clone so didn’t want more and think the non transformer daking sounds wonderful.
I wouldn’t spend the extra money on the transformer model.
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Post by mcirish on Sept 26, 2022 12:43:51 GMT -6
I have a Daking Mic pre IV with the transformers. I don't think they add much color. It's a pretty clean and punchy preamp. I use mine on piano a lot. I also liked it on overheads. I'm a fan of transformers but I'm not sure they make a lot of difference in either the Daking or the Hardy M1. Maybe when pushed hard they might be a bit better but normally, I'm not sure many people would hear the difference. Those specific transformers were chosen because the were clean and didn't impart a huge signature on the sound. Still, I'd buy the transformer models again.
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Post by beyer160 on Sept 26, 2022 14:25:20 GMT -6
I've got a Mic Pre II on the way, once it arrives I can set it up against my Mic Pre/EQ (with the EQ bypassed) and I'll have my answer.
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Post by beyer160 on Sept 27, 2022 12:40:04 GMT -6
Coda to the story:
I had ordered a B-stock unit at a significant discount, but was just notified it is out of stock.
(sad trombone)
So, I'll need to wait a little longer to add more Daking to the lineup.
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 27, 2022 13:07:53 GMT -6
Worth the wait !
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Post by recordingengineer on Sept 27, 2022 13:22:38 GMT -6
I’m confused. A B-stock unit is out of stock? Is that a thing?
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Post by recordingengineer on Sept 27, 2022 13:23:52 GMT -6
I’m confused. A B-stock unit is out of stock? Is that a thing?
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Post by ericn on Sept 27, 2022 14:10:34 GMT -6
I’m confused. A B-stock unit is out of stock? Is that a thing? OK here is what often happens, online store inventory lags behind actual inventory. In some cases a listing isn’t removed from available for sale till it is invoiced / ships. There of course are the other obvious situations, inventory is off, or a b-stock is tested before shipping and isn’t fit to sell. I’ll say it once again if you see a limited supply of an item or a b-stock always call the dealer! Of course I have like every single one of us failed to follow my own advice on this one. In my own defense sleep is something that I often can’t seam to get so at 3AM I might find something special, I know I should wait and call as soon as the seller opens, but I also know in my case that is probably when my body will give in to sleep and I’ll probably miss out. Now where this can get problematic is many vendors lag in refunding those funds they are quick to grab and it can mean missing out on the next deal.
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Post by beyer160 on Sept 27, 2022 16:16:16 GMT -6
I’m confused. A B-stock unit is out of stock? Is that a thing? I assume it was a demo/floor model, and somebody beat me to it. I know a lot of retailers use "B-Stock" or "Used" as a way to get around MAP, but evidently not this time. Another deal will come my way eventually, they always do.
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Post by recordingengineer on Sept 27, 2022 20:38:57 GMT -6
Got it. I was under the impression you were waiting for another B-Stock, after finding out the one you ordered was out of stock. I thought it was weird, but what do I know?
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Post by gwlee7 on Sept 27, 2022 20:50:17 GMT -6
Coda to the story: I had ordered a B-stock unit at a significant discount, but was just notified it is out of stock. (sad trombone) So, I'll need to wait a little longer to add more Daking to the lineup. Sending a pm your way.
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Post by jmoose on Sept 28, 2022 14:21:11 GMT -6
I have a Daking Mic pre IV with the transformers. I don't think they add much color. It's a pretty clean and punchy preamp. I use mine on piano a lot. I also liked it on overheads. I'm a fan of transformers but I'm not sure they make a lot of difference in either the Daking or the Hardy M1. Maybe when pushed hard they might be a bit better but normally, I'm not sure many people would hear the difference. Those specific transformers were chosen because the were clean and didn't impart a huge signature on the sound. Still, I'd buy the transformer models again. IMO the major difference between transformer vs IC output? For most pieces of gear? Its what comes after it... are we loading an input transformer in another piece of gear? For some people its not going to matter much. Especially going mic amp out > converter ? Probably not much difference. In some cases though the difference can be drastic. I have a couple pres with the option, XLR out is loaded 1/4 TRS is the IC bypass? Easy to compare. One of these days I should pop the lids on my Daking 52270s and see what transformers are in there. The stuff they build now is certainly cool but geez... it doesn't sound like the OG versions. Lots of reasons there, power supplies & differences in build layout... parts... but they're certainly "cleaner" & less hairy then back in the day.
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Post by plinker on Sept 30, 2022 8:09:29 GMT -6
One of these days I should pop the lids on my Daking 52270s and see what transformers are in there. The stuff they build now is certainly cool but geez... it doesn't sound like the OG versions. Lots of reasons there, power supplies & differences in build layout... parts... but they're certainly "cleaner" & less hairy then back in the day. When I spoke with Geoff D. about 15 years ago, he said that he had been working with Jensen for a looooong time, so he was able to get good prices on their transformers.
I'm guessing that probably changed a bit when Radial bought Jensen, thus the transformerless versions of gear.
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