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Post by bchurch on Sept 26, 2022 16:25:30 GMT -6
Early Beatles stereo mixes- when stereo was new and they hadn't yet figured out that bass and drums go up the center and other stuff pans left/right. They're still fun to listen to. I remember the CD version of Pink Floyd's "Piper at the Gates of Dawn" I got in high school, where at the end of "Interstellar Overdrive", the entire mix panned back and forth rhythmically (or agonizingly close to it). Hendrix, the Beatles, early Floyd and countless imitators in their wake went a little too crazy (this is why we can't have nice things!). There are some retro-ish mixes that hard pan drums that somehow work. First one that comes to mind is "A Song for the Dead" from QOTSA's 3rd LP. It works. Not sure why, but it does. (maybe because as a DnB producer for 2 decades I would sample the crap out of it for new breakbeat purposes).'' |
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Post by jmoose on Sept 26, 2022 16:45:56 GMT -6
Okay… I’ll bite. I don’t particularly like the mixes or the sounds on the majority of the records Rudy Van Gelder engineered / mixed. There. I said it. I feel better now. Big words yup but damn I respect that opinion. Its like me and Zeppelin. We all dig that stuff but honestly? If you really put an ear on it the records sound kinda crappy... and that opinion has been proven to me about 100 fold. Every time someone says "we want our album to sound like Zeppelin?" Yeah, that's not what they actually want. Go through the motions of putting 5 mics or less on the kit, maybe even dig out a 26" kick drum..? Convince the band to play (at least somewhat) live for basic takes... and on first playback? Geez this ain't it. The drums are getting washed out by the wall of Mesa Boogies... Ummm. Yeah. That'll happen. They ask for those tones. But then deliver those tones? Hail Satan this Moose guy sucks, he tanked our record. |
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Post by beyer160 on Sept 26, 2022 17:12:59 GMT -6
"we want our album to sound like Zeppelin" ...wall of Mesa Boogies... One of these things is not like the other. |
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Post by AgnosticGospel on Sept 27, 2022 7:08:43 GMT -6
Okay… I’ll bite. I don’t particularly like the mixes or the sounds on the majority of the records Rudy Van Gelder engineered / mixed. There. I said it. I feel better now. I can totally understand somebody feeling this way. He did impart his own thang on those sessions. You either like it, or you don't like it, or you never thought about it because you're not a production nerd like us. As a Hammond Organ player though, I chase his sound constantly, knowing full well that I'll never achieve it with the tools and rooms I have available. He made that organ sound like blinking Christmas lights. |
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Post by EmRR on Sept 28, 2022 7:53:16 GMT -6
Okay… I’ll bite. I don’t particularly like the mixes or the sounds on the majority of the records Rudy Van Gelder engineered / mixed. There. I said it. I feel better now. Big words yup but damn I respect that opinion. Its like me and Zeppelin. We all dig that stuff but honestly? If you really put an ear on it the records sound kinda crappy... and that opinion has been proven to me about 100 fold. Every time someone says "we want our album to sound like Zeppelin?" Yeah, that's not what they actually want. Go through the motions of putting 5 mics or less on the kit, maybe even dig out a 26" kick drum..? Convince the band to play (at least somewhat) live for basic takes... and on first playback? Geez this ain't it. The drums are getting washed out by the wall of Mesa Boogies... Ummm. Yeah. That'll happen. They ask for those tones. But then deliver those tones? Hail Satan this Moose guy sucks, he tanked our record. Zep II and prob all the others, the rough mixes before Pagey all sound better. |
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