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Post by tkaitkai on Sept 20, 2022 15:21:55 GMT -6
These two songs come to mind:
Both are a little rough around the edges, but I wouldn't want to hear them any other way. The second band released a more polished version of that song and I actually still prefer the vibe of the original.
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Post by robo on Sept 20, 2022 16:00:33 GMT -6
A common thread to Yank Crime and other indie/punk/underground references here is how damn loud the guitars are, thus how quiet the vocals are and how underwhelming the rhythm section sounds. I think a lot of that is a reaction to the drum machine/synth commercial sounds of the 80’s and early 90’s. It sounded bold at the time. Nowadays there’s plenty of non-commercial synth-based stuff, so we’ve got different expectations for what is “edgy”. Yeah... maybe. But there were bands using drum machines in that genre and time frame... Big Black? They credited the drums on to "Roland" - not the guy, the company. Ministry? Tag them 'industrial' if you must but its still lumped into punk/underground. You weren't hearing that stuff on the radio, I got it from Thrasher magazine & other skater kids. This was 1986?! There were definitely plenty of exceptions to what I’m talking about, including all the artsy dance/punk/funk stuff, industrial, ambient, etc. There was also the hair metal LA big rhythm section sound. I’m talking in more broad terms. The bands making the most interesting guitar-based music in the 80’s were all underground, and aside from wanting their guitars loud, a lot of them couldn’t afford to make slick records if they wanted to, so the mixes tended to be wonky. Of course, once guitar-centric music became commercially popular again having abrasive, weird mixes could also be a form of virtue signaling. “Weeding out the fanbase” by cutting the hooks and pleasant production. |
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Post by geoff738 on Sept 20, 2022 16:25:57 GMT -6
I suppose the obvious one is Exile.
Cheers,
Geoff
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Post by jampa on Sept 20, 2022 18:11:51 GMT -6
Like Hüsker Dü? Or Raw Power? Cheers, Geoff Seconded (Raw Power) |
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Sept 20, 2022 20:30:05 GMT -6
#1 would be Chainsaw Kittens Violent Religion. Just shit sounds everywhere, the winner being the guitar sound which is so thin.
Still listening 30 years later weekly. Fucking incredible songs and Tyson's vocals are just amazing. You can feel the vibe in the whole thing.
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Post by EmRR on Sept 21, 2022 18:11:42 GMT -6
My dudes. C’mon. The Sonics.
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Post by notneeson on Sept 21, 2022 19:00:38 GMT -6
I suppose the obvious one is Exile. Cheers, Geoff Wouldn’t change a hair on its shaggy head. |
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Post by anders on Sept 22, 2022 15:58:25 GMT -6
The bass drum on the Simple Minds' New Gold Dream album?
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Post by craigmorris74 on Sept 22, 2022 20:05:05 GMT -6
My dudes. C’mon. The Sonics. Without the compression and distortion, they would never captured the energy of that band. Like Little Richard records set to stun. |
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Post by EmRR on Sept 23, 2022 6:31:31 GMT -6
My dudes. C’mon. The Sonics. Without the compression and distortion, they would never captured the energy of that band. Like Little Richard records set to stun. yep, the later clean record isn't the same. |
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Post by chessparov on Sept 23, 2022 8:00:23 GMT -6
I keep thinking of The Faces (& Rod) live in their heyday.
Fantastic!
Chris
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Post by AgnosticGospel on Sept 24, 2022 7:43:44 GMT -6
Early Beatles stereo mixes- when stereo was new and they hadn't yet figured out that bass and drums go up the center and other stuff pans left/right. They're still fun to listen to. Paul tells a story about being at a party and playing one of their new albums with speakers on opposite sides of the room. He and a friend were standing by a speaker and Paul says, "Oh listen to this part..." but it was on the other speaker. Wah waaaaah.
Also the first Leon Bridges album "Coming Home." They hit the tape really hard, left in tons of crackles and distortion. But I cant stand listening to live versions of those songs, because they dont sound like garage-band Motown. They're too clean! Sonically my favorite album in a decade.
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Post by beyer160 on Sept 24, 2022 8:44:41 GMT -6
Like Hüsker Dü? Or Raw Power? Cheers, Geoff Literally the first two things I thought of. Also Guided By Voices. |
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Post by beyer160 on Sept 24, 2022 8:59:45 GMT -6
Early Beatles stereo mixes- when stereo was new and they hadn't yet figured out that bass and drums go up the center and other stuff pans left/right. Those early Beatles "stereo" mixes were never intended to be listened to in stereo. The idea with assigning instruments to one side and vocals on the other was to be able to adjust the vocal level on a mono mix during mastering. Mono was still king in that era, stereo mixes were usually assigned to the assistant to be tossed off after everyone else had left. Martin (or someone) figured out they could use stereo to have more control when cutting the all-important 45 master. The REDD51 console they were using was built in the pre-stereo era and didn't have pan pots- channels went straight out to the busses. |
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Post by chessparov on Sept 24, 2022 11:07:32 GMT -6
Early Beatles stereo mixes- when stereo was new and they hadn't yet figured out that bass and drums go up the center and other stuff pans left/right. They're still fun to listen to. Paul tells a story about being at a party and playing one of their new albums with speakers on opposite sides of the room. He and a friend were standing by a speaker and Paul says, "Oh listen to this part..." but it was on the other speaker. Wah waaaaah.[br And Thus Begotten "I Saw Her Standing There" was born.  |
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Post by copperx on Sept 24, 2022 22:13:46 GMT -6
The Jesus And Mary Chain - the entire Psychocandy album.
Sure, they were going for an effect, but that is some technically garbage mixing right there. At the same time, it's perfect.
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Post by EmRR on Sept 25, 2022 13:18:54 GMT -6
Like Hüsker Dü? Or Raw Power? Cheers, Geoff Literally the first two things I thought of. Also Guided By Voices. Oh yeah, ‘Bee Thousand’ |
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Post by jeremygillespie on Sept 25, 2022 17:22:06 GMT -6
Okay… I’ll bite.
I don’t particularly like the mixes or the sounds on the majority of the records Rudy Van Gelder engineered / mixed.
There. I said it. I feel better now.
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Post by grantb on Sept 25, 2022 18:25:43 GMT -6
This one comes to mind due mostly to the preposterous hard panning and general live demo sonics, but it's one of the great classic latin records:
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Post by notneeson on Sept 25, 2022 18:50:33 GMT -6
Martin Hanett's mixes sound kinda wrong to me, but again, I wouldn't change it. I think they were sorta going for "wrong" in Joy Division. Same way Jonny Greenwood's "chunk-chunk" on Creep is kinda "wrong." Maybe I like wrong?
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Post by christopher on Sept 26, 2022 10:14:47 GMT -6
I took 4th graders to school this morning and they requested War Pigs. And turn it up! Uh, okaaay… Right away I was jealous how they were able to high pass everything back then. Then you turn the stereo to 10, drums and bass are perfectly punchy. Cymbals raspy like they used a dynamic, drums strangely resonant like actual drums. The whole mix sounds like it’s coming out of a vintage 4x10 marshall stack. The lyrics kinda got me though, seeing these young boys air guitar and air drumming to school knowing current events
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Post by beyer160 on Sept 26, 2022 11:04:47 GMT -6
Martin Hanett's mixes sound kinda wrong to me, but again, I wouldn't change it. I think they were sorta going for "wrong" in Joy Division. Same way Jonny Greenwood's "chunk-chunk" on Creep is kinda "wrong." Maybe I like wrong? At first I hated Martin Hanett, because he did the weird-sounding final Buzzcocks singles- (Pete Shelley said he and Hanett mixed this stuff while tripping) But over the years, I've come to appreciate that those sides have a unique sound that set them apart from the rest of their catalog. I respect the band for moving forward, instead of just churning out "Ever Fallen In Love" over and over. |
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Post by michaelcleary on Sept 26, 2022 11:34:57 GMT -6
I keep thinking of The Faces (& Rod) live in their heyday. Fantastic! Chris Yeah, someone else mentioned early Rod. I covet that vocal sound and the whole rock and roll happening in a room thing. The acoustic guitars always killed me as well. Cat Stevens had quite a few quirky mixes that you dont realize on first listen because the songs are so good. But really weird drum sounds and patterns. Obnoxiously loud hi hats at times. Amazing vocal sounds, like the early Rod records. Mostly dry and intimate. Plenty of Bad/good Stones records, too many to mention. Anything where Keith sings lead is so bad it's good. A lot of early Metallica, Megadeath, etc. Plenty of quirky bad/good Yes mixes. I can go on and on but I love all of these recordings and still try and fail to reproduce any of the things I love from them. Please tell me how to dial in a vocal sound like early Rod or Cat Stevens without saying to get them in the studio...lol. |
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Post by anders on Sept 26, 2022 14:33:58 GMT -6
The Jesus And Mary Chain - the entire Psychocandy album. Sure, they were going for an effect, but that is some technically garbage mixing right there. At the same time, it's perfect. I remember that album as a complete gamechanger for me, both sound- and arrangementwise. |
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Post by notneeson on Sept 26, 2022 14:58:38 GMT -6
The Jesus And Mary Chain - the entire Psychocandy album. Sure, they were going for an effect, but that is some technically garbage mixing right there. At the same time, it's perfect. I remember that album as a complete gamechanger for me, both sound- and arrangementwise. Yes, I am so wary of orthodoxy! (Except in blue grass, I loathe anything progressive there 😂). |
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