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Post by mrgkeys on Jan 17, 2023 0:17:32 GMT -6
I never really slammed LA3As except on bass, but for just kissing guitars, acoustic and electric and especially for just fitting a solo into a track, which is how the originals always worked best for me, Fuse has this plugin the VCL-373 that just works perfect. No clue which German unit its modeling. Slamming it hard has a sound too. fuseaudiolabs.de/#/pages/product?id=300851022 |
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Post by copperx on Jan 17, 2023 0:28:56 GMT -6
I never really slammed LA3As except on bass, but for just kissing guitars, acoustic and electric and especially for just fitting a solo into a track, which is how the originals always worked best for me, Fuse has this plugin the VCL-373 that just works perfect. No clue which German unit its modeling. Slamming it hard has a sound too. fuseaudiolabs.de/#/pages/product?id=300851022Huh! From the demos it does have a midrange push indeed! |
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Post by tkaitkai on Jan 17, 2023 8:28:22 GMT -6
Therefore when I bought the UAD LA3A and found it really boring I concluded LA3A's must be really boring? I agree, and that's actually the exact reason I love the UAD — it doesn't sound like hardware to me, but it makes a pretty great transparent vocal leveler. Of the plugins I've tried, the only one that seems to really nail it is the Black Rooster VLA-3A. |
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Post by svart on Jan 17, 2023 9:34:24 GMT -6
The LA3A doesn't really have a crazy harmonic profile. It just has that sluggish opto thing going on.
I have the waves and the black rooster ones. I just use whichever one tickles my fancy for the day.
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Post by jaba on Jan 17, 2023 10:17:50 GMT -6
I never really slammed LA3As except on bass, but for just kissing guitars, acoustic and electric and especially for just fitting a solo into a track, which is how the originals always worked best for me, Fuse has this plugin the VCL-373 that just works perfect. No clue which German unit its modeling. Slamming it hard has a sound too. fuseaudiolabs.de/#/pages/product?id=300851022Funny, I like 3A's best when either just catching the loud hits from the source or slamming it pretty hard. It's the in-between I use way less. I haven't found a plug I like at the extreme settings as much though haven't used everything listed here. |
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Post by notneeson on Jan 17, 2023 21:21:12 GMT -6
Hmm, I’m digging the LA2A with my UAD Spark trial. That and the Dimension D. Not sure it’s enough for the monthly fee though. Well, I swapped the IK LA2A (that I actually own) for the UAD and was quite pleasantly surprised. Interesting because I hadn’t totally gelled with it previously. Also, this is in the middle of a chain. As a sole plugin instance it might be a different story. There’s still a bunch of stuff I haven’t tried, but I don’t feel like I need a lot of this stuff. Kinda fun though. |
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Post by Ward on Jan 18, 2023 12:52:06 GMT -6
Hmm, I’m digging the LA2A with my UAD Spark trial. That and the Dimension D. Not sure it’s enough for the monthly fee though. Well, I swapped the IK LA2A (that I actually own) for the UAD and was quite pleasantly surprised. Interesting because I hadn’t totally gelled with it previously. Also, this is in the middle of a chain. As a sole plugin instance it might be a different story. There’s still a bunch of stuff I haven’t tried, but I don’t feel like I need a lot of this stuff. Kinda fun though. Swapped. Ok, I'm interested in knowing why and what differences you found. If you don't mind the annoying prying please!! |
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Post by notneeson on Jan 18, 2023 15:10:32 GMT -6
Well, I swapped the IK LA2A (that I actually own) for the UAD and was quite pleasantly surprised. Interesting because I hadn’t totally gelled with it previously. Also, this is in the middle of a chain. As a sole plugin instance it might be a different story. There’s still a bunch of stuff I haven’t tried, but I don’t feel like I need a lot of this stuff. Kinda fun though. Swapped. Ok, I'm interested in knowing why and what differences you found. If you don't mind the annoying prying please!! At very roughly matched settings the IK seemed to soften some of the presence band grit in my voice that the UA wasn't addressing or was possibly adding to. I'm not ready to make pronouncements beyond: in this specific instance the IK seemed better on my voice. I should try the Fuse LA4A (different beast, I know) here as well. |
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Post by Ward on Jan 18, 2023 16:21:02 GMT -6
Swapped. Ok, I'm interested in knowing why and what differences you found. If you don't mind the annoying prying please!! At very roughly matched settings the IK seemed to soften some of the presence band grit in my voice that the UA wasn't addressing or was possibly adding to. I'm not ready to make pronouncements beyond: in this specific instance the IK seemed better on my voice. I should try the Fuse LA4A (different beast, I know) here as well. Ok, steering this back to totally on-topic. These are all plugs. The Fuse is an LA4 plugin? The LA4 wasn't an LA4a - although it does get called that a lot. And the LA4 isn't quite the same kind of thing as an LA2a or LA3a. How does Fuse address that? |
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Post by yewtreemagic on Jan 18, 2023 17:06:29 GMT -6
The Fuse PDF manual for their VCL-4 does contain a lot of detail, including: "The VCL-4 is a faithful emulation of the silver face revision of the op amp based successor of THE classic late 60s opto level- er. It provides you with unintrusive to extreme program de- pendent and musical opto compression. The switchable ratio option makes for a flexible solution for a wide range of source material. During the modeling process we rebuilt the entire original cir- cuit on strip board, however replacing the original opto-cells that were made up of an LED and an LDR with suitable Vact- rols. Every part of the circuit including the receiver stage, the side-chain and Vactrol LED driver circuit, the Vactrol itself as well as the push-pull driver stage and the output transformer has been accurately modeled." The manual also contains useful graphs displaying LF transformer distortion, high level clipping due to the hardware 18-volt rail, and its comperession characteristics. You can download a fully functional 14-day demo version including the manual here: fuseaudiolabs.de/#/pages/product?id=300799857Martin |
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Post by notneeson on Jan 18, 2023 17:46:39 GMT -6
At very roughly matched settings the IK seemed to soften some of the presence band grit in my voice that the UA wasn't addressing or was possibly adding to. I'm not ready to make pronouncements beyond: in this specific instance the IK seemed better on my voice. I should try the Fuse LA4A (different beast, I know) here as well. Ok, steering this back to totally on-topic. These are all plugs. The Fuse is an LA4 plugin? The LA4 wasn't an LA4a - although it does get called that a lot. And the LA4 isn't quite the same kind of thing as an LA2a or LA3a. How does Fuse address that? I literally came up with an LA4 in the room, but I guess I still call it that. 😂 Anyway, I added it to my test list purely because it is another opto plugin that I own. Also, FWIW the hardware I am familiar with was modded by Bob Alach and is perhaps more hifi than stock. |
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