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Post by jcoutu1 on Sept 6, 2022 15:56:57 GMT -6
I'm hoping to get a basic take down for 2 different songs tonight.
One rootsy vibe and one pop punk track. If I can get that together, maybe we can have some fun listening to some kits in a track.
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Post by the other mark williams on Sept 6, 2022 17:40:18 GMT -6
I'm hoping to get a basic take down for 2 different songs tonight. One rootsy vibe and one pop punk track. If I can get that together, maybe we can have some fun listening to some kits in a track. Happy to help you audition with the various SDXes or EZXes I have here, Jesse. Hearing them in the context of an actual track is definitely the way to go, IMO.
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Post by thehightenor on Sept 7, 2022 1:09:46 GMT -6
I think this dude on Youtube makes some good points about the stock SD3 sounds.
It's well worth a listen as he explains what I think is a reasonable explanation as to the nature of SD3 stock samples.
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Post by bchurch on Sept 7, 2022 5:30:26 GMT -6
Cubase and Logic are just way easier to use for midi anything. Pro Tools and Reaper are audio focused with dark age midi The AudioWarp has always been really good. Better than it should be. Drums, yes. But on guitars you can tighten up performances like noone's business. As to price, I paid $60 to go from Pro 11 to 12. You can always wait out for the occasional sale. It's not the cheapest DAW on the rack, but it's a very powerful yet elegant piece of software. It's not perfect, no DAW is, but for the million kinds of writing, recording, mixing, etc. that I do, I have never one wanted a feature it didn't have (except saving ext. hardware routing, as was already discussed.)
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Post by jcoutu1 on Sept 7, 2022 7:29:40 GMT -6
Alright, recorded a couple tracks last night. First one is a punk track from my gf (so don't be too harsh 😉). It's just a scratch vocal and not mixed yet, but I think is a good test for MIDI drums. Should be able to get the second, more rootsy vibe song posted tomorrow. Drums are a comp of 3 takes. I posted both a "raw" comp track and a quick auto quantized track. I'm not some unreal drummer either so again, don't be too harsh. That said, I'm pretty happy with the feel of the raw. I think it's enough in the pocket and could easily be tightened up a bit more manually. As for the Ef Note kit, I'm pretty happy with how they tracked. Timing was very good, no delay or anything on the midi. I found that to get the feel right, I really need to play them like I'm bashing on a real kit. The hats seem to track MUCH better playing hard. If I try to play softly, the velocities seem more out of whack too. The only things that I needed to adjust here were bringing the crashes up and the snare down. There were also some ghost hits on the snare occasionally when the kick hit. Not sure if some wires are poorly shielded and crossed or something. Anyway, if anyone wants to run through their fav punkish sample pack and share the results, that would be rad. Here are the files: drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Kh1KsrSqPaessJRXkU6MTC-Y-PNn-Yb_Tracked vocals tonight. Here's the current version if anyone is interested. drive.google.com/file/d/1kdzYDq0ttkzIKyBARt3HT2s8-W3WyXrH/view?usp=drivesdk FYI, I included a labeled piano roll and typed up a midi map for the sounds I'm using in the track, so we can be in alignment.
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Post by phantom on Sept 7, 2022 9:12:25 GMT -6
Alright, recorded a couple tracks last night. First one is a punk track from my gf (so don't be too harsh 😉). It's just a scratch vocal and not mixed yet, but I think is a good test for MIDI drums. Drums are a comp of 3 takes. I posted both a "raw" comp track and a quick auto quantized track. I'm not some unreal drummer either so again, don't be too harsh. That said, I'm pretty happy with the feel of the raw. I think it's enough in the pocket and could easily be tightened up a bit more manually. As for the Ef Note kit, I'm pretty happy with how they tracked. Timing was very good, no delay or anything on the midi. I found that to get the feel right, I really need to play them like I'm bashing on a real kit. The hats seem to track MUCH better playing hard. If I try to play softly, the velocities seem more out of whack too. The only things that I needed to adjust here were bringing the crashes up and the snare down. There were also some ghost hits on the snare occasionally when the kick hit. Not sure if some wires are poorly shielded and crossed or something. Anyway, if anyone wants to run through their fav punkish sample pack and share the results, that would be rad. Here are the files: drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Kh1KsrSqPaessJRXkU6MTC-Y-PNn-Yb_Which library are you using here?
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Post by jcoutu1 on Sept 7, 2022 10:00:03 GMT -6
Alright, recorded a couple tracks last night. First one is a punk track from my gf (so don't be too harsh 😉). It's just a scratch vocal and not mixed yet, but I think is a good test for MIDI drums. Drums are a comp of 3 takes. I posted both a "raw" comp track and a quick auto quantized track. I'm not some unreal drummer either so again, don't be too harsh. That said, I'm pretty happy with the feel of the raw. I think it's enough in the pocket and could easily be tightened up a bit more manually. As for the Ef Note kit, I'm pretty happy with how they tracked. Timing was very good, no delay or anything on the midi. I found that to get the feel right, I really need to play them like I'm bashing on a real kit. The hats seem to track MUCH better playing hard. If I try to play softly, the velocities seem more out of whack too. The only things that I needed to adjust here were bringing the crashes up and the snare down. There were also some ghost hits on the snare occasionally when the kick hit. Not sure if some wires are poorly shielded and crossed or something. Anyway, if anyone wants to run through their fav punkish sample pack and share the results, that would be rad. Here are the files: drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Kh1KsrSqPaessJRXkU6MTC-Y-PNn-Yb_Which library are you using here? EZ Drummer 3 - basic kit in the regular studio (not positive on the name offhand). Put some eq and comp on the drums in post.
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Post by notneeson on Sept 7, 2022 11:51:48 GMT -6
I think this dude on Youtube makes some good points about the stock SD3 sounds. It's well worth a listen as he explains what I think is a reasonable explanation as to the nature of SD3 stock samples. Yeah, I agree with most of what he said. I definitely prefer to do my own processing with my plugins vs the built in ones. Some of the mix presets are cool though. Also, in Hansa it seems like there is an 1178 track that only comes on with certain presets, but I believe it's printed capture of a hardware 1178. It's not like, amazing, or anything— but useful. I am a little skeptical of "just shorten the envelope" as a work around for the stock library, I just don't think it's going to sound as good as raw tracks from Hansa or AIR etc. when you're manipulating every channel that way to get there. Good news is I don't really need to use the stock sounds anyway. Might be a cool trick for augmenting with stock samples though, have not done much of that yet because the long ambience is so annoying.
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Post by ragan on Sept 7, 2022 15:39:15 GMT -6
I’ve done the envelope thing, it didn’t solve my dislike of the cavernous cathedral. The drums sound cathedral-y from the moment they’re struck. If you leave enough decay for it to sound remotely realistic, you’re getting the room sound. Also, I don’t feel like carefully editing every drum just to try and minimize the cathedral sonics. I think it was a really weird choice for the stock library.
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Post by the other mark williams on Sept 7, 2022 20:10:10 GMT -6
I’ve done the envelope thing, it didn’t solve my dislike of the cavernous cathedral. The drums sound cathedral-y from the moment they’re struck. If you leave enough decay for it to sound remotely realistic, you’re getting the room sound. Also, I don’t feel like carefully editing every drum just to try and minimize the cathedral sonics. I think it was a really weird choice for the stock library. I don't have any insider info on this or anything, but part of me thinks that maybe Toontrack reached out to Massenburg, not necessarily expecting him to say yes, but then he did, and he said, "I'll do it, but this is the studio where I am right now, so we'd have to do it here." I just can't imagine what else Toontrack was thinking with that room as the stock library room! It's like Spielberg agreeing to direct a film for you, but the entire movie has to be filmed inside a house with bright purple walls. Or something like that.
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Post by notneeson on Sept 7, 2022 21:49:39 GMT -6
I’ve done the envelope thing, it didn’t solve my dislike of the cavernous cathedral. The drums sound cathedral-y from the moment they’re struck. If you leave enough decay for it to sound remotely realistic, you’re getting the room sound. Also, I don’t feel like carefully editing every drum just to try and minimize the cathedral sonics. I think it was a really weird choice for the stock library. I don't have any insider info on this or anything, but part of me thinks that maybe Toontrack reached out to Massenburg, not necessarily expecting him to say yes, but then he did, and he said, "I'll do it, but this is the studio where I am right now, so we'd have to do it here." I just can't imagine what else Toontrack was thinking with that room as the stock library room! It's like Spielberg agreeing to direct a film for you, but the entire movie has to be filmed inside a house with bright purple walls. Or something like that. I think you’d want Kubrick for that. 😂
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Post by ragan on Sept 7, 2022 23:11:27 GMT -6
I’ve done the envelope thing, it didn’t solve my dislike of the cavernous cathedral. The drums sound cathedral-y from the moment they’re struck. If you leave enough decay for it to sound remotely realistic, you’re getting the room sound. Also, I don’t feel like carefully editing every drum just to try and minimize the cathedral sonics. I think it was a really weird choice for the stock library. I don't have any insider info on this or anything, but part of me thinks that maybe Toontrack reached out to Massenburg, not necessarily expecting him to say yes, but then he did, and he said, "I'll do it, but this is the studio where I am right now, so we'd have to do it here." I just can't imagine what else Toontrack was thinking with that room as the stock library room! It's like Spielberg agreeing to direct a film for you, but the entire movie has to be filmed inside a house with bright purple walls. Or something like that. I think that's as likely an explanation as anything.
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Post by the other mark williams on Sept 7, 2022 23:53:10 GMT -6
I don't have any insider info on this or anything, but part of me thinks that maybe Toontrack reached out to Massenburg, not necessarily expecting him to say yes, but then he did, and he said, "I'll do it, but this is the studio where I am right now, so we'd have to do it here." I just can't imagine what else Toontrack was thinking with that room as the stock library room! It's like Spielberg agreeing to direct a film for you, but the entire movie has to be filmed inside a house with bright purple walls. Or something like that. I think you’d want Kubrick for that. 😂 Yeah, somehow Kubrick would actually make it work! 🤔
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Post by jcoutu1 on Sept 8, 2022 6:02:19 GMT -6
The other thing about the toontrack stuff, the drum grooves are all so complicated. I wish they would do a groove pack where it's 2 minute loops of much more basic stuff. Standards, with a touch of vibe. Bunch of simple fills and long loops of simple beats so a basic song doesn't sound like the same 2 bar loop over and over.
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Post by thehightenor on Sept 8, 2022 7:27:40 GMT -6
I’ve done the envelope thing, it didn’t solve my dislike of the cavernous cathedral. The drums sound cathedral-y from the moment they’re struck. If you leave enough decay for it to sound remotely realistic, you’re getting the room sound. Also, I don’t feel like carefully editing every drum just to try and minimize the cathedral sonics. I think it was a really weird choice for the stock library. Well in truth, I only use Decades, Legacy of Rock and Rooms of Hansa. Mostly Rooms of Hansa. I mean what more could you want than Rooms of Hansa. It's like you have access to that iconic studio to record your drums in, and if I did I wouldn't bother going anywhere else. The producer and engineer behond Rooms of Hansa made imho THE best SDX they have ever put out - for me it's the one.
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Post by christopher on Sept 8, 2022 9:42:36 GMT -6
I REALLY liked what you did, it’s super impressive right away, rest of the track turned out great as well! Gorgeous vocals! Since this is an audio recording forum, you probably want my nitpicks opinion: well the drums have that fake drum smack/tail to them. I’m really sensitive to it, have mixed plenty of e-drum gigs, and that’s the sound, it’s fine. Like I said before: you can gig ANYWHERE now, in places a rock band doesn’t belong, where obscene money flows like Niagara Falls. (They get bored of the classical guitarist or DJ= bring in a real band..) there’s only one source I go to for fake drums.. They use great mics, great gear, great room, great tape machines, high res, and they really seem to care.. a LOT. Unfortunately they seem to have had trouble making sales, their site appears to be downgraded to no security certificate. They kinda pumped out so much a few years ago, all great and not enough time to take it all in! So I don’t know what’s going on, click at your own risk. They have kits for Kontact. To me it’s worth the hassle of their complex ways.., I think they’d do way better to simplify things. Here’s the link to their kits www.drum-drops.com/collections/drum-samples (click at your own risk: google gives me a warning)
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Post by tkaitkai on Sept 8, 2022 13:15:15 GMT -6
Cool track!
I took a stab at this — basically just threw the music/vocals on top of some of the samples I mentioned earlier, and then did some light mixing.
Happy to answer any questions if you dig how it sounds:
https%3A//soundcloud.com/tkaitkai/jcoutu1-rgo-mix-2
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Post by phantom on Sept 8, 2022 17:00:52 GMT -6
I’ve done the envelope thing, it didn’t solve my dislike of the cavernous cathedral. The drums sound cathedral-y from the moment they’re struck. If you leave enough decay for it to sound remotely realistic, you’re getting the room sound. Also, I don’t feel like carefully editing every drum just to try and minimize the cathedral sonics. I think it was a really weird choice for the stock library. Well in truth, I only use Decades, Legacy of Rock and Rooms of Hansa. Mostly Rooms of Hansa. I mean what more could you want than Rooms of Hansa. It's like you have access to that iconic studio to record your drums in, and if I did I wouldn't bother going anywhere else. The producer and engineer behond Rooms of Hansa made imho THE best SDX they have ever put out - for me it's the one. Isn't the new Ez drummer Core library record at Hansa with the same engineer that did the SDX. I'm wondering that because I have that library and was looking to buy Rooms of Hansa, but don't how much would it add.
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Post by thehightenor on Sept 9, 2022 13:48:00 GMT -6
Well in truth, I only use Decades, Legacy of Rock and Rooms of Hansa. Mostly Rooms of Hansa. I mean what more could you want than Rooms of Hansa. It's like you have access to that iconic studio to record your drums in, and if I did I wouldn't bother going anywhere else. The producer and engineer behond Rooms of Hansa made imho THE best SDX they have ever put out - for me it's the one. Isn't the new Ez drummer Core library record at Hansa with the same engineer that did the SDX. I'm wondering that because I have that library and was looking to buy Rooms of Hansa, but don't how much would it add. I don't know? Toontrack have a friendly forum, someone on there will be able to tell you straight away. Hansa is a huge super detailed library with extra super fun useful stuff like Octabans (think Copeland) Roto Toms (think Bill Bruford) and rooms that are genuinely very different as opposed to vaguely different. I can't image an EZ pack could possibly fit all that in - at least based on the one EZ pack I do own "Classic Drums"
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Post by jcoutu1 on Sept 9, 2022 23:32:22 GMT -6
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Post by tasteliketape on Sept 10, 2022 17:21:57 GMT -6
I’m looking at getting Ez drummer 3 . What are the must have kits?
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Post by sirthought on Sept 10, 2022 19:20:36 GMT -6
The other thing about the toontrack stuff, the drum grooves are all so complicated. I wish they would do a groove pack where it's 2 minute loops of much more basic stuff. Standards, with a touch of vibe. Bunch of simple fills and long loops of simple beats so a basic song doesn't sound like the same 2 bar loop over and over. Check out Groove Monkey for MIDI grooves. I bought their full library on a sale and it was a pretty easy purchase. The nice thing is the library comes in formats for basically every type of drum software on the market. So if you are EZ Drummer today and something else tomorrow, you won't really struggle to git-r-done. Some of their stuff is more "everyman" kind of drumming. It takes some poking around, but sometimes I struggle just to find the right cymbal crescendo or flam fill. And it doesn't seem like what I'm seeking should be so out of line to need.
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Post by notneeson on Sept 11, 2022 9:39:40 GMT -6
The other thing about the toontrack stuff, the drum grooves are all so complicated. I wish they would do a groove pack where it's 2 minute loops of much more basic stuff. Standards, with a touch of vibe. Bunch of simple fills and long loops of simple beats so a basic song doesn't sound like the same 2 bar loop over and over. Check out Groove Monkey for MIDI grooves. I bought their full library on a sale and it was a pretty easy purchase. The nice thing is the library comes in formats for basically every type of drum software on the market. So if you are EZ Drummer today and something else tomorrow, you won't really struggle to git-r-done. Some of their stuff is more "everyman" kind of drumming. It takes some poking around, but sometimes I struggle just to find the right cymbal crescendo or flam fill. And it doesn't seem like what I'm seeking should be so out of line to need.  I have some Groove Monkey stuff too, and that’s my issue: a lot of it sounds like someone following a click rather than really driving the pulse of a song.
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Post by tasteliketape on Sept 11, 2022 9:56:03 GMT -6
EzDrummer 3 stock drums were done at Hansa . Different drum set , different sessions than rooms of Hansa sdx , but same studio. Stated on Toontrack’s EZ 3 video.
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Post by BenjaminAshlin on Sept 12, 2022 0:04:44 GMT -6
Very cool rendition of disarm.
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