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Post by jcoutu1 on Aug 31, 2022 16:34:50 GMT -6
I've got ez drummer 3 and a couple packs. Is SD3 worth the 329 bucks plus l that dough for the expansions? Should I be looking at something else in 2022?
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Post by thehightenor on Sept 1, 2022 8:11:54 GMT -6
I have SD3 and virtually all the expansions.
Stand out by far and THE first expansion to buy imho is "The Rooms of Hansa" - it really is stunning.
You'd have to go a long way recording real drums to beat this SDX.
I've post triggered some funk drumming captured off my E Kit and using Rooms of Hansa I can't stop smiling at just how blinking awesome it sounds.
Highly recommended.
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Post by notneeson on Sept 1, 2022 8:32:33 GMT -6
I've got ez drummer 3 and a couple packs. Is SD3 worth the 329 bucks plus l that dough for the expansions? Should I be looking at something else in 2022? I love SD3 and Rooms of Hansa. I also have the Eddie Kramer classic rock one and it’s cool too. Not aware of anything better on the market, but if it beats this stuff I want to know about it. Jesse, if you want to record yourself playing the new e kit and send me the midi, I can print down the multitracks for you and send them back to evaluate.
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Post by bchurch on Sept 1, 2022 8:54:04 GMT -6
I’ve got one for you to check out: Perfect Drums by Naughty Seal. Far as I can tell, this is a one-man operation. And it certainly doesn’t offer all kinds of crazy expansion packs like you would get with SSD, BFD, and so on. Right out of the box, it just sounds fantastic. In fact, my main complaint is that the less you do, the better, and it kind of takes the fun out of things.
I had high hopes for MODO Drum, that is the first drum software that actually did something different (the shells / heads are physical models, not multisamples). But for all of the novel changes in the software, there’s just something about the sound that’s not quite there yet for me. Sounds like a microwave burrito tastes.
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Post by svart on Sept 1, 2022 11:15:39 GMT -6
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Post by Quint on Sept 1, 2022 12:08:30 GMT -6
Are you guys that are using EZ Drummer/SD3/etc. using those samples to augment your recorded drums, or just straight up replacing them 100% with samples like the Hansa?
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Post by bgrotto on Sept 1, 2022 12:16:35 GMT -6
SD3 is pretty huge step up from EZ. I love it. Their audio-to-MIDI features are great, btw.
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Post by Quint on Sept 1, 2022 12:19:42 GMT -6
SD3 is pretty huge step up from EZ. I love it. Their audio-to-MIDI features are great, btw. A really good audio to midi functionality would definitely be a required thing for me if I ever were going to delve into the drum sample world with both feet.
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Post by notneeson on Sept 1, 2022 13:32:53 GMT -6
Are you guys that are using EZ Drummer/SD3/etc. using those samples to augment your recorded drums, or just straight up replacing them 100% with samples like the Hansa? Doing a ton of programming and midi editing at this point. But yes, it’s the best sample replacement tool I’ve used, personally. The beauty is that you can trigger just close mics, or rooms, or all of it and blend later. Very flexible augmentation.
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Post by Quint on Sept 1, 2022 14:31:33 GMT -6
Are you guys that are using EZ Drummer/SD3/etc. using those samples to augment your recorded drums, or just straight up replacing them 100% with samples like the Hansa? Doing a ton of programming and midi editing at this point. But yes, it’s the best sample replacement tool I’ve used, personally. The beauty is that you can trigger just close mics, or rooms, or all of it and blend later. Very flexible augmentation. I'm not terribly interested in the programming/editing side of things, but the audio to midi features could be interesting. I'd mostly be interested in something like this for sonic reasons, not so much for ways to improve performance. I mean, I don't have a room or mic locker like Hansa has, so I suppose I could be convinced to try it out for that reason.
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Post by damoongo on Sept 1, 2022 16:12:31 GMT -6
I've post triggered some funk drumming captured off my E Kit and using Rooms of Hansa I can't stop smiling at just how blinking awesome it sounds. Can we hear this?
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Post by bchurch on Sept 1, 2022 16:43:55 GMT -6
I think SSD has pretty impressive triggering. Honestly, Cubase Pro lets you get so granular with generating MIDI and rhythm / performance grids that I couldn’t fathom ever doing on-the-fly triggering. If it’s something you do a lot of, it’s one of that DAW’s sleeper hits. That and the killer pitch and time editing.
Considering I used to jerry rig an old $50 Simmons V brain in the early 90’s before upgrading to a posh Alesis DM5. So everything these days feels swank.
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Post by notneeson on Sept 1, 2022 16:51:49 GMT -6
Doing a ton of programming and midi editing at this point. But yes, it’s the best sample replacement tool I’ve used, personally. The beauty is that you can trigger just close mics, or rooms, or all of it and blend later. Very flexible augmentation. I'm not terribly interested in the programming/editing side of things, but the audio to midi features could be interesting. I'd mostly be interested in something like this for sonic reasons, not so much for ways to improve performance. I mean, I don't have a room or mic locker like Hansa has, so I suppose I could be convinced to try it out for that reason. Programming/editing allows me to be productive at home on personal projects. In my AE for hire life (which I do less and less) I have only used it for augmentation or when a client needed a beat super affordably on a track I was going to be hired to mix down the road. Killer room/mics/drummer/drums still wins the day, for whomever has the option.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Sept 2, 2022 18:39:14 GMT -6
This SSD CLA pack sounds pretty rock and roll. Anyone using this? stevenslatedrums.com/chris-lord-alge-expansion/This seems to be the only thing really punk sounding and it's not as rocking as the SSD CLA I think www.toontrack.com/product/pop-punk-ezx/ I've got EZDrummer 3 and a few EZx's already. Indie Folk (my fav), Americana, Alt Rock, and Funkmasters. I'm really torn about moving to SD3. It's a big chunk of change and I'm not really hearing anything great in the demos. Everything seems to have sooooo much verb.
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Post by notneeson on Sept 2, 2022 19:17:17 GMT -6
This SSD CLA pack sounds pretty rock and roll. Anyone using this? stevenslatedrums.com/chris-lord-alge-expansion/This seems to be the only thing really punk sounding and it's not as rocking as the SSD CLA I think www.toontrack.com/product/pop-punk-ezx/ I've got EZDrummer 3 and a few EZx's already. Indie Folk (my fav), Americana, Alt Rock, and Funkmasters. I'm really torn about moving to SD3. It's a big chunk of change and I'm not really hearing anything great in the demos. Everything seems to have sooooo much verb. The stock SD3 kits are recorded in a room with almost symphonic decay times. Not my thing. The AIR Lyndhurst (Kramer) and Hansa stuff is more along the lines of classic studio sounds and then you process as much or as little as you need. I’ve still never used an SD3 stock library kit in a production. Although I’m starting to explore the electronic sounds more now.
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Post by tkaitkai on Sept 2, 2022 19:55:41 GMT -6
There are a ton of Kontakt libraries out there that sound fantastic. My secret weapons: anything from Circles Drum Samples and the Vintage Funk + Vintage Disco kits from DrumDrops. Absolutely amazing if you want drier, more organic samples.
The Steven Slate CLA kit is good, but IMO a little long-in-the-tooth at this point. If you’re after modern pop punk, I would immediately grab Mixwave Thomas Pridgen, and if that’s not enough, get Sour Candy from Make Pop Music, as well as PIV Matt Halpern Signature from GGD.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Sept 5, 2022 10:36:07 GMT -6
I’ve got one for you to check out: Perfect Drums by Naughty Seal. Far as I can tell, this is a one-man operation. And it certainly doesn’t offer all kinds of crazy expansion packs like you would get with SSD, BFD, and so on. Right out of the box, it just sounds fantastic. In fact, my main complaint is that the less you do, the better, and it kind of takes the fun out of things. Just checked this out. Sound pretty good even though they sound pretty processed. Fat snares.
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Post by bchurch on Sept 5, 2022 11:52:03 GMT -6
Absolutely. It took me a little while to realize that there is a “dry/wet“ knob on that plug-ins mixer tab. Out of the box they are definitely already deep into CLA-land, just slammed to the tits with eq and dynamics. That takes a lot of the fun out of it for me, but it’s also quite useful if you need to get something virtual sounding pretty good, pretty fast.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Sept 6, 2022 10:33:42 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2022 11:10:54 GMT -6
I think SSD has pretty impressive triggering. Honestly, Cubase Pro lets you get so granular with generating MIDI and rhythm / performance grids that I couldn’t fathom ever doing on-the-fly triggering. If it’s something you do a lot of, it’s one of that DAW’s sleeper hits. That and the killer pitch and time editing. Considering I used to jerry rig an old $50 Simmons V brain in the early 90’s before upgrading to a posh Alesis DM5. So everything these days feels swank. I’ve heard Cubase 12 is king now for robot metal with the new warp capabilities for drum surgery. I’m still mainly using Reaper now but I kind of want to leave the Reaper dogmatism but the routing and flexibility and lightweight for mobile use and being set up like the Office of DAWs is useful. And real versioning instead of Steinberg hitting you up for 150 bucks a year after your initial 400 dollar buy in. Cubase and Logic are just way easier to use for midi anything. Pro Tools and Reaper are audio focused with dark age midi
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Post by ragan on Sept 6, 2022 12:17:05 GMT -6
This SSD CLA pack sounds pretty rock and roll. Anyone using this? stevenslatedrums.com/chris-lord-alge-expansion/ I'm really torn about moving to SD3. It's a big chunk of change and I'm not really hearing anything great in the demos. Everything seems to have sooooo much verb. I’ve never used the stock SD3 library for anything, thanks to the comically large cathedral that’s glued to everything. To really hear what the SDXs have to offer, go to the audio only clips at the bottom of each product page. They usually have some raw kit clips, as well as just running through all kicks and snares. In the demo videos, they tend to have the room mics up a lot. Which I guess sounds sort of impressive in a way, but less useful for me when I’ve been shopping sounds. The Rockfield Studios one is cool. HANSA, and maybe the most used of all for me is Decades. I leaned on those guys a lot when I was doing V Drums/SD3.
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Post by tkaitkai on Sept 6, 2022 12:59:42 GMT -6
I just discovered this a few minutes ago and had to share.
Most of their stuff seems geared toward metal production, but the "Art Pop" preset in the first 6 seconds of this video sounds VERY impressive. I'll have to give this a go:
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 6, 2022 13:04:49 GMT -6
Damn, dude...that sounds really good.
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 6, 2022 13:13:34 GMT -6
Downloading the free one now.
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Post by bikescene on Sept 6, 2022 13:39:25 GMT -6
I only have EZ Drummer 1 and SD3. The original EZ Drummer didn’t give the user the option to tune drums. Not sure if that feature got added in EZD2 or 3, but I always loaded up my EZD libraries in SD3 to be able to tune the snare so I wouldn’t have the same drum sound over and over again.
SD3 also allows me to control bleed levels in a way that EZD does not. Like lowering hi-hat bleed in the snare channel, or balancing levels between cymbals in the overhead channel. Again, not sure if things changed in the latest EZD.
I haven’t test driven the latest SD3 libraries that never go on sale, but I enjoy the older Progressive Foundry, Indiependent, and Custom & Vintage SDXs.
I’m fine with the stock SD3 sounds, but I think a lot of users aren’t fond of the seemingly softer nature of the hits. I think the snares sound a bit round, and EQ out the lower mids a bit.
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