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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 19, 2022 20:15:00 GMT -6
Any strong opinions for speaker placement? Got some new sound anchors from eric and vertically, my ears are a tiny bit above the woofer on my One18’s horizontal might a actually put it right at ear level. Woofers on the inside, right? |
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Post by ericn on Aug 19, 2022 20:33:12 GMT -6
Any strong opinions for speaker placement? Got some new sound anchors from eric and vertically, my ears are a tiny bit above the woofer on my One18’s horizontal might a actually put it right at ear level. Woofers on the inside, right? Remember Rule number one never knock what works! So run with what you like besides the waveguide and Trinnov should solve any real issues. Oh yeah what did you do with all the peanuts? They took one giant bag, gave me even more room in storage 👍 |
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 19, 2022 20:42:44 GMT -6
Any strong opinions for speaker placement? Got some new sound anchors from eric and vertically, my ears are a tiny bit above the woofer on my One18’s horizontal might a actually put it right at ear level. Woofers on the inside, right? Remember Rule number one never knock what works! So run with what you like besides the waveguide and Trinnov should solve any real issues. Oh yeah what did you do with all the peanuts? They took one giant bag, gave me even more room in storage 👍 Dude. You’re on my shit list with all those fucking peanuts lol. I spent thirty minutes cleaning the first one up and then outsmarted the next one. |
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Post by ericn on Aug 19, 2022 20:45:08 GMT -6
Remember Rule number one never knock what works! So run with what you like besides the waveguide and Trinnov should solve any real issues. Oh yeah what did you do with all the peanuts? They took one giant bag, gave me even more room in storage 👍 Dude. You’re on my shit list with all those fucking peanuts lol. I spent thirty minutes cleaning the first one up and then outsmarted the next one. I was out of bubble wrap, and you should have seen the hall way at storage! Lucky I had a shop vac in there. I’ll buy you a drink in September! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2022 2:01:27 GMT -6
Any strong opinions for speaker placement? Got some new sound anchors from eric and vertically, my ears are a tiny bit above the woofer on my One18’s horizontal might a actually put it right at ear level. Woofers on the inside, right? Out of curiosity after another thread I asked Dynaudio about woofer on the inside placement as a hard rule, it is in someways a myth meaning it just depends on the speaker. With my Core 59's for example it makes no difference however my room will respond differently to it. I have two massive low Hz absorbers on the back wall so mine are orientated towards the woofer on the inside. Vertical vs. horizontal? Again depends on the speaker and again with the Core 59's it doesn't matter, you just rotate the baffle. However I reached out to D&D when I considered the 8C and they weren't too keen on the idea, they specified that most speakers need the midrange drivers to be perfectly aligned and pointed directly towards you. Even with the Trinnov you might start having problems with phantom projection (sweet spot) and frequency response.
TLDR: Send an e-mail to Amphion and make sure before you do it. You can unravel everything in a second if your monitors are setup incorrectly..
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 20, 2022 9:37:34 GMT -6
This from the Amphion founder
"The imaging tends to be the always best vertically but in the case of One18 the difference is very small. Still as you can please use them upright. I personally never use them on the horizontal mode"
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Post by ericn on Aug 20, 2022 9:46:41 GMT -6
This from the Amphion founder "The imaging tends to be the always best vertically but in the case of One18 the difference is very small. Still as you can please use them upright. I personally never use them on the horizontal mode" Don’t worry about it if it sounds good it sounds good. From experience a lot of manufacturers base their recommendations completely on a theory. More than once I have set up speakers completely against what the designer recommended, the designer hears the set up and “ damn we should have tried that” I mean your telling people not to set it up like this and you didn’t even try it ? |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Aug 20, 2022 10:10:28 GMT -6
Any strong opinions for speaker placement? Got some new sound anchors from eric and vertically, my ears are a tiny bit above the woofer on my One18’s horizontal might a actually put it right at ear level. Woofers on the inside, right? Remember Rule number one never knock what works! So run with what you like besides the waveguide and Trinnov should solve any real issues. Oh yeah what did you do with all the peanuts? They took one giant bag, gave me even more room in storage 👍 Be careful using peanuts. My understanding is that shipping companies don't recognize them as a proper packing material alone. Without bubble, I don't think they'll pay a claim. |
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Post by ericn on Aug 20, 2022 10:27:50 GMT -6
Remember Rule number one never knock what works! So run with what you like besides the waveguide and Trinnov should solve any real issues. Oh yeah what did you do with all the peanuts? They took one giant bag, gave me even more room in storage 👍 Be careful using peanuts. My understanding is that shipping companies don't recognize them as a proper packing material alone. Without bubble, I don't think they'll pay a claim. Yeah they won’t any more but I wasn’t worried about sound anchors getting damaged as much as simple box filler to keep the boxes from collapsing from weight of other stuff and UPS careful treatment of 2 15x15x48. Had it been say a mic pre it would have been bubble wrap and peanuts as corner filler. I still use peanuts as corner fill because the stuff I get with just bubble wrap always has at least one corner dented . |
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Post by drumsound on Aug 20, 2022 11:32:49 GMT -6
Be careful using peanuts. My understanding is that shipping companies don't recognize them as a proper packing material alone. Without bubble, I don't think they'll pay a claim. Yeah they won’t any more but I wasn’t worried about sound anchors getting damaged as much as simple box filler to keep the boxes from collapsing from weight of other stuff and UPS careful treatment of 2 15x15x48. Had it been say a mic pre it would have been bubble wrap and peanuts as corner filler. I still use peanuts as corner fill because the stuff I get with just bubble wrap always has at least one corner dented . Not to derail, but I just got a BD and the shipper put flattened priority mail boxes to define the corners and then coiled bubble wrap to keep the drum from shifting and keep the box in good shape. I was impressed. |
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Post by ericn on Aug 20, 2022 11:58:36 GMT -6
Yeah they won’t any more but I wasn’t worried about sound anchors getting damaged as much as simple box filler to keep the boxes from collapsing from weight of other stuff and UPS careful treatment of 2 15x15x48. Had it been say a mic pre it would have been bubble wrap and peanuts as corner filler. I still use peanuts as corner fill because the stuff I get with just bubble wrap always has at least one corner dented . Not to derail, but I just got a BD and the shipper put flattened priority mail boxes to define the corners and then coiled bubble wrap to keep the drum from shifting and keep the box in good shape. I was impressed. Yeah that can work , I have often even just slipped a cut piece of cardboard to reinforce a saggy box. These were virgin UPS store boxes, I got lucky that they were cleaning out a closed location as I was walking down to my usual box supply and grabbed them before they hit the dumpster. |
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Post by drumsound on Aug 20, 2022 23:48:29 GMT -6
Not to derail, but I just got a BD and the shipper put flattened priority mail boxes to define the corners and then coiled bubble wrap to keep the drum from shifting and keep the box in good shape. I was impressed. Yeah that can work , I have often even just slipped a cut piece of cardboard to reinforce a saggy box. These were virgin UPS store boxes, I got lucky that they were cleaning out a closed location as I was walking down to my usual box supply and grabbed them before they hit the dumpster. You are a crafty mofo! |
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 20, 2022 23:59:28 GMT -6
Well ended up sticking with horizontal. Went through a bunch of placements and measurements with the Trinnov.
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Post by ericn on Aug 21, 2022 18:46:19 GMT -6
Yeah that can work , I have often even just slipped a cut piece of cardboard to reinforce a saggy box. These were virgin UPS store boxes, I got lucky that they were cleaning out a closed location as I was walking down to my usual box supply and grabbed them before they hit the dumpster. You are a crafty mofo! You should have seen me walking down the street with the boxes! I walked because last time I went to my usual supplier I parked almost as far away as my place! |
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Post by RealNoob on Aug 21, 2022 21:18:13 GMT -6
I have used the 8330's in both positions. I don't hear a difference in their tone or detail. I have them pretty close but the sweet spot seems wide, (horizontally).
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 22, 2022 13:32:17 GMT -6
Scratch that...I started psyching myself out and went back to vertical.
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 5, 2022 12:27:10 GMT -6
Just got some more treatment and decided to go back and forth some more testing. Definitely think things are better vertical. Don't remember if I said in this thread, but I read somewhere where Ansi from Amphion was saying "just don't do it" about using them horizontally. They definitely spec better in Trinnov in both Amplitude and phase.
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Post by Ward on Oct 7, 2022 6:00:27 GMT -6
Scratch that...I started psyching myself out and went back to vertical. Next up: He'll compromise and go diagonal. ;-) |
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 7, 2022 6:39:39 GMT -6
Yes, The amphion are not recommended for horizontal.
They have a time aligned large sweet spot in the vertical from the wave guide and counter sunk tweeter driver so why bother with horizontal, other then curiosity ?
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 7, 2022 8:42:33 GMT -6
Yes, The amphion are not recommended for horizontal. They have a time aligned large sweet spot in the vertical from the wave guide and counter sunk tweeter driver so why bother with horizontal, other then curiosity ? Height. They’re a little tall (on my desk) when vertical and are perfect horizontal. But maybe it doesn’t matter. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 7, 2022 8:50:50 GMT -6
Do you hear that difference or just see it , the wave guide is spherical; so sweet spot should have width and depth, I think.
But, definitely good to experiment, find the best spot for you !
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 7, 2022 10:32:26 GMT -6
Do you hear that difference or just see it , the wave guide is spherical; so sweet spot should have width and depth, I think. But, definitely good to experiment, find the best spot for you ! Pretty sure I hear it |
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 7, 2022 11:32:28 GMT -6
From you have said about your room and the work you have done, I bet the amphion sound really good there .
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Post by Ward on Oct 7, 2022 13:27:38 GMT -6
Do you hear that difference or just see it , the wave guide is spherical; so sweet spot should have width and depth, I think. But, definitely good to experiment, find the best spot for you ! Pretty sure I hear it An important consideration could be: Do a mix with the speakers in vertical. Save it. Do the same song mix with the speakers in horizontal. Save it. Take the two mixes and compare them on other systems (car, earbuds etc as well) and see how they compare. Which mix translates better? That could make the decision for you! P.S. Speakers in diagonal orientation optional! |
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Post by ericn on Oct 7, 2022 16:45:39 GMT -6
Scratch that...I started psyching myself out and went back to vertical. Next up: He'll compromise and go diagonal. ;-) I saw this and thought of the old MSI “ stop sign” flying PA rig. |
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