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Post by gravesnumber9 on Aug 5, 2022 10:55:44 GMT -6
I'm not sure how much I buy into converters mattering anyway at this point, yet I'm getting really hung up on this one. I'm picking up some ADAT expansion and leaning towards the Focusrite Clarett Octopre because it actually includes inserts. But I'm getting really hung up on whether to pick up the old version or the new version with the supposedly "game changing!!!!" converters.
Do I just not overthink and pick up the new box or do I save several hundred dollars and go with the older generation?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2022 12:18:02 GMT -6
I seriously doubt it's game changing, take the SSL Big Six for example that's a multi-channel board with an extensive analog front end. The only difference between that and a Lynx Aurora is it's slightly brighter and "wider" sounding. I'm sure it's measurable if I could be bothered..
Anyway I could move a mic 2" off axis and it would make a larger difference than those completely contrasting designs. So, just do whatever..
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Post by thehightenor on Aug 5, 2022 12:39:24 GMT -6
I'm not sure how much I buy into converters mattering anyway at this point, yet I'm getting really hung up on this one. I'm picking up some ADAT expansion and leaning towards the Focusrite Clarett Octopre because it actually includes inserts. But I'm getting really hung up on whether to pick up the old version or the new version with the supposedly "game changing!!!!" converters. Do I just not overthink and pick up the new box or do I save several hundred dollars and go with the older generation? I'm going to be a PITA and say go for the "better" converters in the latest model. It's a game of inches and across the board they add up as you overdub and layer in your arrangement. If the price difference was huge then it's not worth it, but if it's a few hundred dollars then you'll soon forget about the extra expense and you'll be using the higher spec converters for years on heaps of recordings.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Aug 5, 2022 13:10:36 GMT -6
Haha... so the first two answers perfectly summarized the back and forth going on in my head!
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Post by sirthought on Aug 5, 2022 13:15:06 GMT -6
It's been a while since I looked closely at these, but for some reason I am thinking I thought the newer model was worth picking up over the older one.
I agree with Shadow K that the difference won't jump out at you unless you really have a special setup to hear it. This is similar to when UAD updated the converters on the Apollo line. The newer ones were better on paper for a variety of reasons, but most people wouldn't be able to blind test the difference, other than to say one sounds slightly different. This may be different when you start spending money on upper level conversion, but that's a different argument.
I'm guessing the whole reason for the converter change is the chip factory fire. That said, Focusrite probably made some long needed updates to the box based on user feedback. And...if you have need of repairs, owning the newer model might be more flexible versus the chips that could now be harder to get.
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Post by chessparov on Aug 5, 2022 13:21:26 GMT -6
What's funny, is that a likely eventual upgrade for me is to go... Scarlett 3rd Gen to used Clarett! There's a certain peace of mind though, with even a modest upgrade. Because you'll sense the (small) difference. Chris
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2022 14:43:23 GMT -6
Haha... so the first two answers perfectly summarized the back and forth going on in my head! Lol, we can't agree on nothing.. The problem with the game of inches is everything else has to be perfect and then you've somehow got to translate that magic down to lowest common denominator which is usually earbuds on a phone streamed via whatever.
Don't misunderstand me, you can do it. Take Fleetwood Mac rumours, I've yet to hear that sound bad on anything and I'm into more modern productions. I'd take a Clarett and a great engineer over someone mediocre with a Neve desk and Lavry's any day of the week. If you're at the stage where you do amazing productions and you want to go forward a few millimeters then fine.
I've never heard a Clarett but I had a Focusrite Saffire thingy a long time ago and it was okay. Nothing special but it certainly wasn't the weakest link in the chain (*points at myself), if you were talking about a Digi 002 or an Echofrier then I'd actively convince you to move on, nowadays I can always find something better to spend my money on but YMMV and all that.
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Post by wiz on Aug 5, 2022 17:40:26 GMT -6
Haha... so the first two answers perfectly summarized the back and forth going on in my head! But.... but... but... which one of the two converters .... sounds better? Not measures better............. 8) cheers Wiz
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Post by christopher on Aug 5, 2022 17:46:23 GMT -6
If the old version is USB 2.0, I’d expect it to only be useful as an adat slave. Don’t even bother connecting adat out from it.
And really I’d expect the same thing from the new gen from them, because I got burned on 2nd gen scarlett :/ …. Supposedly it’s a usb 2.0 bottleneck and I should have gotten the earlier 1394 FireWire.
Sound samples I’ve heard of the clarett are that it sounds more like RME to me, so RME would be what I’d look into unless the deal was really good and no issues working 24 hours
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Aug 5, 2022 17:51:12 GMT -6
If the old version is USB 2.0, I’d expect it to only be useful as an adat slave. Don’t even bother connecting adat out from it. And really I’d expect the same thing from the new gen from them, because I got burned on 2nd gen scarlett :/ …. Supposedly it’s a usb 2.0 bottleneck and I should have gotten the earlier 1394 FireWire. Sound samples I’ve heard of the clarett are that it sounds like RME to me Just to clarify I'm looking at the Octopre so it's just a ADAT expander. I just need 8 more channels to come off of my board in the rehearsal space. The other way to look at it would be to say screw it and just go super cheap with an ADA 8200. I just can't bare (Behr?) the idea of buying a Behringer product though.
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Post by christopher on Aug 5, 2022 17:56:40 GMT -6
My scarlett is functional as 8 extra outputs. It can’t handle inputs in any way, it works for a 5-30 minutes then full scale screaming. Nothing like getting into your song, feeling relaxed and then getting blasted at full scale with a world ending siren! Been through the RMA process and run around until I just gave up and let it live as DA. Apparently my story is common, the process is just so dragged out because so many had issues
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Post by jmoose on Aug 5, 2022 18:20:20 GMT -6
The bottleneck on the Focusrite stuff isn't going to be the converters... IMO its the mic amps which are totally usable but not anything special.
Between myself & my old studio partner we've used a few different things, old black saffire range, various Scarletts... all of it sounded fine and wasn't the weak link in any situation. Even tracked drums for my bands EP with mics plugged right into a Scarlett. Was only supposed to be a demo... oops!
Dunno if its tempting but if you can live without the inserts I have an Octopre dynamic mkII here that needs a new home. The one knob compressors? Mildly useful and it switches between AD & DA with the push of a button no menu diving.
Also... based on your FMR/ART thread? I have a few other things like an Orban stereo limiter that you might be into? If so drop a message.
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Post by tkaitkai on Aug 5, 2022 20:21:32 GMT -6
Haven’t used the Claretts, but I’ve had a few Scarletts here and they were OK for the money. I compared a 3rd Gen 2i2 to my old Apollo Twin MKI and the differences were negligible.
If you just need 8 channels for drums or DI guitars or something, I say pocket the extra cash and grab the original Clarett OctoPre.
But it wouldn’t be my preference to use any of that stuff for money channels, i.e. vocals, stereo bus, piano, acoustic guitar, etc. I think it’s worth having at least two channels of high end AD on hand for those purposes.
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 7, 2022 4:30:50 GMT -6
I'm not sure how much I buy into converters mattering anyway at this point, yet I'm getting really hung up on this one. I'm picking up some ADAT expansion and leaning towards the Focusrite Clarett Octopre because it actually includes inserts. But I'm getting really hung up on whether to pick up the old version or the new version with the supposedly "game changing!!!!" converters. Do I just not overthink and pick up the new box or do I save several hundred dollars and go with the older generation? Have you ever considered converters that are NOT Focusrite? There arte much better converters out there. As I see it, Focusrtite is using the professional quality consoles they USED TO make to bolster sales of, er, lesser equipment.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Aug 7, 2022 6:48:02 GMT -6
I'm not sure how much I buy into converters mattering anyway at this point, yet I'm getting really hung up on this one. I'm picking up some ADAT expansion and leaning towards the Focusrite Clarett Octopre because it actually includes inserts. But I'm getting really hung up on whether to pick up the old version or the new version with the supposedly "game changing!!!!" converters. Do I just not overthink and pick up the new box or do I save several hundred dollars and go with the older generation? Have you ever considered converters that are NOT Focusrite? There arte much better converters out there. As I see it, Focusrtite is using the professional quality consoles they USED TO make to bolster sales of, er, lesser equipment. I’ve actually never even used Focusrite. The market for ADAT expanders is rather limited at any price, but particularly in the under $800 range.
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