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Post by EmRR on May 22, 2022 8:03:08 GMT -6
To my knowledge building a 670 the real way will cost you about 4k in tubes and transformers so all designs that are "cheap" has taken shortcuts. It may or may not affect the sound but a true Fairchild clone is very expensive to build. The Herritage 660/670 looks beautiful the only thing that scares me are the 11/22 tubes haha! I mean you will need to retube it every 5-10y and that will cost quite allot 😁✌️ The majority of tubes are $4 ea. The historically informed flip side is people who used 660/670 a lot had to retube them every 6 months; many old timer comments along those lines. Haven’t heard any modern comments.
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Post by plinker on May 22, 2022 10:33:01 GMT -6
Everything he has for sale is 5-10x market price. I doubt anyone’s paid over 60k for a 670, ever. That market is purely the monied and ignorant, most stock has been on offer forever, for obvious reasons. Carneys like this injure the market and should be ignored. To acknowledge these offerings is to give them credence. "Carneys like this..."
That's a perfect description!
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2022 12:36:51 GMT -6
To my knowledge building a 670 the real way will cost you about 4k in tubes and transformers so all designs that are "cheap" has taken shortcuts. It may or may not affect the sound but a true Fairchild clone is very expensive to build. The Herritage 660/670 looks beautiful the only thing that scares me are the 11/22 tubes haha! I mean you will need to retube it every 5-10y and that will cost quite allot 😁✌️ The majority of tubes are $4 ea. The historically informed flip side is people who used 660/670 a lot had to retube them every 6 months; many old timer comments along those lines. Haven’t heard any modern comments. Too bad they'll have to bin and match 180 dollar 6386 from JJ hahahahaha
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Post by subspace on May 22, 2022 12:47:52 GMT -6
In terms of expense, just meant relative to other clones, but agreed, trying to replicate the original circuits and tubes is inherently expensive. Remember too, I am the penny pinching Canuck adding the easily 30% premium on top of usd, so relatively speaking Josh’s are much better priced, but harder/impossible (?) to get. Wonder, if Josh will do another run sometime? winetree must be pcb, ptp, with all the tubes would add hugely to labour costs? I finally cancelled the deposit on a 50% off StamChild after a three and a half year wait, that last B-stock unit was listed 7 days later. Put the balance towards a 76D+ that arrives on Wednesday. My understanding is there will be a MKII version, much like there was with my original SA-47 and 1073EQ purchases.
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Post by plinker on May 22, 2022 13:37:41 GMT -6
I finally cancelled the deposit on a 50% off StamChild after a three and a half year wait, that last B-stock unit was listed 7 days later. Put the balance towards a 76D+ that arrives on Wednesday. My understanding is there will be a MKII version, much like there was with my original SA-47 and 1073EQ purchases. Regarding the MKII version, are you referring to the StamChild or the 76D+?
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Post by subspace on May 22, 2022 15:30:53 GMT -6
I finally cancelled the deposit on a 50% off StamChild after a three and a half year wait, that last B-stock unit was listed 7 days later. Put the balance towards a 76D+ that arrives on Wednesday. My understanding is there will be a MKII version, much like there was with my original SA-47 and 1073EQ purchases. Regarding the MKII version, are you referring to the StamChild or the 76D+? StamChild. Hopefully it just shows up in stock ready to order like these 76D+ did.
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Post by wiz on May 22, 2022 18:25:23 GMT -6
I read somewhere these are using 12ax7
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Post by mike on May 22, 2022 19:18:15 GMT -6
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Post by winetree on May 23, 2022 15:34:03 GMT -6
In terms of expense, just meant relative to other clones, but agreed, trying to replicate the original circuits and tubes is inherently expensive. Remember too, I am the penny pinching Canuck adding the easily 30% premium on top of usd, so relatively speaking Josh’s are much better priced, but harder/impossible (?) to get. Wonder, if Josh will do another run sometime? winetree must be pcb, ptp, with all the tubes would add hugely to labour costs? I finally cancelled the deposit on a 50% off StamChild after a three and a half year wait, that last B-stock unit was listed 7 days later. Put the balance towards a 76D+ that arrives on Wednesday. My understanding is there will be a MKII version, much like there was with my original SA-47 and 1073EQ purchases. I'm I the same situation now. I have a $500.00 deposit on a 50% off Stamschild that Was to be the 2020 batch. I've have some recent e-mails with Joshua ending in he'd give me a quick call. Nothing, I've waited this long live up to the contract. I'd like to preorder the new 800c mic but I don't know if I'll live that long.
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Post by subspace on May 23, 2022 18:32:22 GMT -6
I finally cancelled the deposit on a 50% off StamChild after a three and a half year wait, that last B-stock unit was listed 7 days later. Put the balance towards a 76D+ that arrives on Wednesday. My understanding is there will be a MKII version, much like there was with my original SA-47 and 1073EQ purchases. I'm I the same situation now. I have a $500.00 deposit on a 50% off Stamschild that Was to be the 2020 batch. I've have some recent e-mails with Joshua ending in he'd give me a quick call. Nothing, I've waited this long live up to the contract. I'd like to preorder the new 800c mic but I don't know if I'll live that long. I decided a 50% off StamChild was never gonna materialize, went with the bird in hand, may revisit if a MK2 StamChild ships.
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Post by paulcheeba on May 24, 2022 17:14:45 GMT -6
Pom’s 670 MK2 is the best value, best sounding. hand built Fairchild clone available. His Pye clone is insanely good too.
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Post by Coil Audio on May 26, 2022 13:02:39 GMT -6
Pom’s 670 MK2 is the best value, best sounding. hand built Fairchild clone available. His Pye clone is insanely good too. The Pom is a great design - modernized and well thought out. Analoguetube AT-101 is essentially a complete replica and executed perfectly. Both are absolutely the best sounding takes and about as close to the original as one can get these days. Everything else is a costume party IMHO.
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Post by kcatthedog on May 26, 2022 13:34:39 GMT -6
Significant prices for both those units.
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Post by christophert on May 26, 2022 20:55:18 GMT -6
I'm on the POM 670 MKII build list for over 6 months now. The Pye comps are keeping Pierre very busy, and only a few of the Fairchilds are built each year. Soon to have a huge smile on my face !
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Post by Bat Lanyard on May 26, 2022 21:29:51 GMT -6
If I'm getting near the $10K mark, I'm buying an Unfairchild. Full stop.
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Post by ji43 on May 31, 2022 7:40:38 GMT -6
Pom’s 670 MK2 is the best value, best sounding. hand built Fairchild clone available. His Pye clone is insanely good too. The Pom is a great design - modernized and well thought out. Analoguetube AT-101 is essentially a complete replica and executed perfectly. Both are absolutely the best sounding takes and about as close to the original as one can get these days. Everything else is a costume party IMHO. Thoughts on the Vacuvox U23s? Not exactly a Fairchild from what I understand, but seems to be up there with the best vari mu comps out there.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 31, 2022 7:46:02 GMT -6
Everything he has for sale is 5-10x market price. I doubt anyone’s paid over 60k for a 670, ever. That market is purely the monied and ignorant, most stock has been on offer forever, for obvious reasons. Carneys like this injure the market and should be ignored. To acknowledge these offerings is to give them credence. I especially appreciate how it’s “100% and ready to go” with 100% original caps. Hahahahahaha Guy was a complete dick to me on Reverb one time.
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Post by Quint on May 31, 2022 18:38:35 GMT -6
$10,000 is way too much money, in my opinion, for a two channel unit which is probably built to a price point and which will definitely require upkeep on a shit load of tubes, and tubes, mind you, that aren't getting any cheaper. Speaking of tubes, I just spent nearly $700 on six tubes that I ordered from Bowie. Also, they may have just been delivered to the wrong address by the USPS or are lost in God knows where... But that's another story...
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Post by Coil Audio on Jun 1, 2022 20:04:10 GMT -6
The Pom is a great design - modernized and well thought out. Analoguetube AT-101 is essentially a complete replica and executed perfectly. Both are absolutely the best sounding takes and about as close to the original as one can get these days. Everything else is a costume party IMHO. Thoughts on the Vacuvox U23s? Not exactly a Fairchild from what I understand, but seems to be up there with the best vari mu comps out there. No personal experience with the Vacuvox but we know of a few customers that use them and seem to enjoy. Mastering guy Dave McNair is one and i believe Hunter (roundbadge) also has a pair. I would say they are implemented (by Dave at least) in the same manner one would use a Fearn VT-7 or the like , that is, for a nearly transparent result.
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Post by OtisGreying on Jun 2, 2022 4:52:02 GMT -6
Pom’s 670 MK2 is the best value, best sounding. hand built Fairchild clone available. His Pye clone is insanely good too. The Pom is a great design - modernized and well thought out. Analoguetube AT-101 is essentially a complete replica and executed perfectly. Both are absolutely the best sounding takes and about as close to the original as one can get these days. Everything else is a costume party IMHO. Have you tried/heard the Unfairchild by chance?
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Post by Coil Audio on Jun 3, 2022 23:49:20 GMT -6
The Pom is a great design - modernized and well thought out. Analoguetube AT-101 is essentially a complete replica and executed perfectly. Both are absolutely the best sounding takes and about as close to the original as one can get these days. Everything else is a costume party IMHO. Have you tried/heard the Unfairchild by chance? Yes, and the experiences were mixed. There is certainly a difference between the first run of 100 and later (current?) builds. It’s just not a forgiving circuit to cut corners on.
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Post by ji43 on Jun 4, 2022 4:01:40 GMT -6
From my understanding, the original Unfairchild used 6BA6s and this version is preferred by some...the MKII switched to JJ 6386s, and in order to preserve the lifespan of the tubes, runs them at 100V instead of 240V like the original 670...so while it's preserving the lifespan of the tubes, it's not really getting the Fairchild sound...I've also heard the transformer on the Unfairchild leaves something to be desired...I've heard from 3 people that have sold their Unfairchild for the Vacuvox U23s and were thrilled with their choice. The POM and AT-101 also seem to be favored.
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Post by Coil Audio on Jun 4, 2022 13:22:16 GMT -6
From my understanding, the original Unfairchild used 6BA6s and this version is preferred by some...the MKII switched to JJ 6386s, and in order to preserve the lifespan of the tubes, runs them at 100V instead of 240V like the original 670...so while it's preserving the lifespan of the tubes, it's not really getting the Fairchild sound...I've also heard the transformer on the Unfairchild leaves something to be desired...I've heard from 3 people that have sold their Unfairchild for the Vacuvox U23s and were thrilled with their choice. The POM and AT-101 also seem to be favored. Unfortunately that is the case. Our last run in with one was at an LA tracking session in 2019 - we asked the house guy to put something on the 2-mix and he patched a brand new one in. We looked at each other and said "Is it On?" to which the house guy replied "oh yeah, isn't it great!?" - when he left the room we patched over to a 33609 or something that would just work for the time being. Total bummer. All this said, we are very spoiled as we've been using a factory stock 670 that was brand new (still in the crate) from when the Berlin wall fell. When signal hits it - it's a visceral experience. Immediate enhancement. It should be noted that it has been turned off maybe a handful of times and the only tubes that ever needed replaced were ones in the sidechain amplifier - so when folks go on about all the service these require and tube replacements, we chuckle a bit. In our experience it's the 670s that were tech raped by someone high on coke in the 80's that need the most help and subsequently what some 'cloners' base their clone's design/tonality from. These are typically the same folks that claim there is no difference between NOS tubes and JJs in circuits like these too. #beancounters
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Post by EmRR on Jun 4, 2022 14:36:04 GMT -6
Cosimo Matassa is one of the folks who complained of very short 6386 life in their Fairchild.
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