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Post by robschnapf on May 10, 2022 10:43:22 GMT -6
Soyuz SDC fets Schoeps 221B
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Post by plinker on May 10, 2022 13:56:36 GMT -6
+1 on the Soyuz 013's - excellent sounding mics. A REALLY great contender is Line Audio CM4's, and the Omni's - I have 6 of them for spot mics / percussion / drums - will work on anything. They will out compete the KM184 almost every time - and they are $200. They also compare favorably to my Schoeps mics. I was going to jump in with Line Audio, but you beat me to it! I have 6 of them, 4 for live use with my band, and 2 for the studio. I really like how true-to-the-source they sound, and from a bluegrass tracking engineer perspective, that's very important. Our band's producer has like a dozen or more different pairs of 84's. Funny story on how he got some of them. Apparently back in the day when he was a teenager, churches were still using them as choir mics. He and his family would be performing at a church, and he'd be snooping around the sound system closet and find a pair not being used anymore. He'd ask about them, and be given them as a gift, since the church never used them anymore, and had no way to sell them. Crazy huh? I'm a big fan of the Line Audio mics -- have pairs of the OM1 and CM4. With the wide-cardioid pattern, I assumed they would feedback if used on stage. How do you get away with it?
Their flat response makes them sound unexciting on first listen -- but they take EQ well...really no-brainers at the price.
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Post by jhsmastering on May 11, 2022 7:16:13 GMT -6
I was going to jump in with Line Audio, but you beat me to it! I have 6 of them, 4 for live use with my band, and 2 for the studio. I really like how true-to-the-source they sound, and from a bluegrass tracking engineer perspective, that's very important. Our band's producer has like a dozen or more different pairs of 84's. Funny story on how he got some of them. Apparently back in the day when he was a teenager, churches were still using them as choir mics. He and his family would be performing at a church, and he'd be snooping around the sound system closet and find a pair not being used anymore. He'd ask about them, and be given them as a gift, since the church never used them anymore, and had no way to sell them. Crazy huh? I'm a big fan of the Line Audio mics -- have pairs of the OM1 and CM4. With the wide-cardioid pattern, I assumed they would feedback if used on stage. How do you get away with it?
Their flat response makes them sound unexciting on first listen -- but they take EQ well...really no-brainers at the price.
We don't use monitors of any kind, so no feedback problems there. I don't really run them terribly hot, maybe about halfway between 10 and 11 on the gain knob on the analog mixer that we use. I'd run them at 25-28 on a Behringer X32 if that is more familiar to folks. They do take EQ very well, and are incredibly flat, which is why I like them so much. I'd rather only have to deal with the many rooms we play in, rather than have to deal with the mics and the rooms not playing nicely with each other.
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Post by bossanova on May 11, 2022 8:32:50 GMT -6
Are the Warm 84's OK? I remember Monkey didn't dig them that much. Overall concensus? Chris I think "Bushman" on the other site liked them a lot. You're right I thumbed my nose at them for some reason... very picky about SDC. Too much bass or something, to my ear, just wasn't sold on them. The Warm 84 definitely has that thing going on where it's unhyped in the mid-range and subsequently sounds overly bass-y on low end weighted sources. I've also found the proximity effect challenging on close-mic sources for the same reason (+ no onboard high-pass). I've been interested to try out the Omni capsule and see if it helps, but the WA84 keeps getting taken down off the stand in the meantime. Edit: as usual, take this with a grain of salt, but I went back to the last recording I made with my Warm 84 and I was impressed at how it tamed the harshness and sibilance in a mid-forward source, where the LDC that I shot it out with had more natural presence but also a “bite” that I was working against on sustained vowel sounds.
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Post by kyamcalvert on May 11, 2022 9:45:16 GMT -6
I have some 451s...vintage w/CK1...they're for sale here but maybe I'll keep those...
I used a pair of CMC6s with omni caps on a live to 2 track choir gig a few months back and those blew my mind a bit. Millennia 2 channel mic pre/ADC into a little tascam digital recorder...the raw files sound damn good.
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Post by Martin John Butler on May 11, 2022 9:59:12 GMT -6
A friend has two KM84's I borrow occasionally. One has a little ding on the body. The one with the ding sounds thinner. The "good" one sounds great. I've often wondered what exactly happens inside when a mic is dropped or banged that can cause it to work, but sound thinner.
If you only had the dinged KM84, you would think that's what they sound like because it works normally.
M buddy Dusty Wright has the Soyuz 0-13. He bought it on my recommendation. He's very pleased with it, enough to occasionally use it for a vocal, even though its main use is for acoustic guitar.
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Post by Omicron9 on May 11, 2022 10:25:20 GMT -6
I've been curious about the Line Audio mics for years. I suspect I'd dig them (CM4), but also wonder how they'd differ from my pair of AKG C-460-B. Has anyone used both, and if so, findings, please?
TIA, -09
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Post by jampa on May 11, 2022 17:24:03 GMT -6
From the small range I've used, Schoeps mk4
I have the Line Audio CM3 and have compared to many mics
It is a wide cardioid, so at the same location it typically gets more room and less proximity effect
Overall it is low noise and very transparent/uncoloured. If anything, slightly hard/bright 8kHz up, as many electrets are
Incredible value for $. I have tried them on nearly everything and always gives OK or better result. Recently used on toms for soft playing & natural bleed - would not work for heavy hitter
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Post by ericn on May 11, 2022 21:13:21 GMT -6
Sony C535/ C536/ C35/36 think a lot like a 84 with a bit of compression.
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Post by plinker on May 11, 2022 23:00:05 GMT -6
I've been curious about the Line Audio mics for years. I suspect I'd dig them (CM4), but also wonder how they'd differ from my pair of AKG C-460-B. Has anyone used both, and if so, findings, please? TIA, -09 The CM4s sound like flat...uncolored and flat. Completely flat
It's surprisingly refreshing, actually.
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Post by aremos on May 11, 2022 23:27:00 GMT -6
Any Schoeps (CMCx with any capsule)
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Post by reddirt on May 12, 2022 3:15:57 GMT -6
An analogy of Schoeps and Mercedes/BMW would not be too far off the mark. Cheers, Ross
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Post by drumsound on May 12, 2022 9:16:28 GMT -6
I still really like Octava MC012 for overheads. I've had good luck with them on piano as well. On an acoustic based thing, they are good for guitar, mandolin, and (I think) banjo. Pretty nice on percussion, and snare. I've been considering a 3rd body for snare so I'd use the pair I have now with cardioid caps on OHs and a hyper cap on snare. gwlee7 was kind enough to send a Microtech Gefel M295 (I think that's the number) and I've been using it on snare a bunch, and it's cool. I've got a record coming up that I want to use it on acoustics... Speaking of acoustic guitar, AT Pro37 can really be perfect when you need an acoustic to speak in an active/dense production. I've more than once pulled a mic that sounds "better" in solo than a Pro37, for a Pro37 because the instrument instantly speaks with it, and got lost with the "prettier" mic.
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Post by Guitar on May 13, 2022 6:21:22 GMT -6
Speaking of cheap mics that are cool on guitar, for cutting through or whatever, the SE SE1A is nice. Cheap if you can find them.
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Post by woofhead on May 13, 2022 10:17:08 GMT -6
Speaking of cheap mics that are cool on guitar, for cutting through or whatever, the SE SE1A is nice. Cheap if you can find them. Yes I like mine it can be great on snare and less painful than others if struck was around 30 bucks.
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Post by robschnapf on May 13, 2022 18:51:58 GMT -6
Sony C535/ C536/ C35/36 think a lot like a 84 with a bit of compression. Wow thanks for reminding me, I have both of these and forgot about them. gotta try em out again. I like how the cardiode is side address….
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Post by theshea on May 14, 2022 0:05:28 GMT -6
still very very happy with my warbler 127 c flat stereo pair. always in use on acoustic guitars.
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Post by ericn on May 14, 2022 11:57:37 GMT -6
Sony C535/ C536/ C35/36 think a lot like a 84 with a bit of compression. Wow thanks for reminding me, I have both of these and forgot about them. gotta try em out again. I like how the cardiode is side address…. Hey Rob There is reason why a C535 was the winner in the “no longer in production class” in the Giant SDC shoot out Mike Jasper put together a number of years ago ( I can’t remember which of my 5 it was). All the Sony SDC’s are cardiod. And yes the Side address 6’s are great in tight spaces.
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Post by Vincent R. on May 14, 2022 15:25:51 GMT -6
Is that shootout still available to hear anywhere?
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Post by bossanova on May 14, 2022 15:32:13 GMT -6
still very very happy with my warbler 127 c flat stereo pair. always in use on acoustic guitars. It has long been rumored that the Warbler 127 and the Warm 84 share the same capsule.
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Post by ericn on May 14, 2022 16:01:22 GMT -6
Is that shootout still available to hear anywhere? I’m not sure if he has it posted any where but if You were to PM Mike over at that other site I’m sure he would share the files.
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Post by Vincent R. on May 14, 2022 20:53:20 GMT -6
Is that shootout still available to hear anywhere? I’m not sure if he has it posted any where but if You were to PM Mike over at that other site I’m sure he would share the files. I don’t know him.
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Post by zonkola on May 15, 2022 8:40:59 GMT -6
I’m not sure if he has it posted any where but if You were to PM Mike over at that other site I’m sure he would share the files. I don’t know him. Jasper's SDC shootout article appeared in TapeOp #72. I don't see it on their site now, but there's a copy of the published article here and the unabridged article here. I haven't found the audio files.
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Post by zonkola on May 15, 2022 8:43:01 GMT -6
A pair of Soyuz 013 FETs are permanently stationed above my drum kit. Unpopular opinion, but I really like my KM184s into an Avedis MA5 for acoustic guitar.
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Post by Guitar on May 15, 2022 10:28:24 GMT -6
KM184 is popular opinion with me on acoustic guitar, but that might make it "weird" LOL!
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