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Post by prene1 on Apr 26, 2022 17:37:21 GMT -6
Updated to the NEW ultimate.
No ping feature, but I noticed something STRANGE.
Only my MAIN Apollo ( X8 ) could do PROPER AUX PARALLEL via analog. Doesn’t work via DIGITAL ports nor my other 3 units.
What can be done to resolve this ?
Must I sell ALL my apollos and just move on ?
I’m extremely not understanding why can’t UA do some driver thingy that makes protools properly configure the latency.
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Anyways besides avid proprietary HDX / HD NATIVE, what interfaces are folks using with protools that’s working with hardware via aux JUST fine ?
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Post by enlav on Apr 26, 2022 17:48:33 GMT -6
Once my last snakes get in, if no one's reported back on the Aurora(n), since I know a few folks here have em, I'll chime back in with my experiences. (Aurora(n)TB3, 16 IO)
From what preliminary testing I had done to make sure everything was kosher, I didn't notice any major latency using hardware as inserts, but parallel processing would ideally require sample accurate compensation, right? I've never had Pro Tools handle conversion latency accurately except with Digidesign/AVID hardware but... we'll see...
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Post by ericn on Apr 26, 2022 18:00:49 GMT -6
Anybody remember the grand old days when UAD ran on TDM cards for like a minute?
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 26, 2022 18:16:39 GMT -6
There are some very knowledgeable pro tools users here, maybe they can help you out ?
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Post by Blackdawg on Apr 26, 2022 18:21:56 GMT -6
Nothing technically will run perfect if you're using an aux send for parallel to hardware and back into the daw. If you're even a sample off you'll have phase issues.
That said, Im not 100% on this as I haven't run normal protools in years, but I think you can manually set your delay in the I/O setting for hardware inserts you just have to manually ping it. Which means just doing some more routing to measure it. Then type in your delay and confirm it's right.
Downside is if you change the hardware path at all for that insert you have to do it again.
It is unlikely Protools will ever put a hardware ping feature in. Purely because they'd rather you upgrade and pay for HDX. Which honestly IMO is worth it for this and other features. I could never go back to normal PT now especially if using hardware.
And going to HDX is the only way to get any interface to fully work with their automatic delay compensation I think. And there are lots of third party options that use the HDX interface now. But anything else i'm not sure about. You're at the mercy of Avid's drivers and the interfaces drivers then.
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Post by matt on Apr 26, 2022 18:40:55 GMT -6
you can manually set your delay in the I/O setting for hardware inserts you just have to manually ping it. Which means just doing some more routing to measure it. Then type in your delay and confirm it's right. I do this using click (the "tic" one, it's short) for all my inserts, printed to two mono tracks, with the insert being measured instantiated on one of them. It's a bit tedious to learn but once understood it can go quickly. I get perfect waveform alignment with this technique- when the manual delay compensation is correct, it is visually sample accurate in the edit window.
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Post by drbill on Apr 26, 2022 20:25:53 GMT -6
HDX here with AVID HD converters. No problems, no gotcha's. It just sounds good and works.
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 26, 2022 20:28:28 GMT -6
Updated to the NEW ultimate. No ping feature, but I noticed something STRANGE. Only my MAIN Apollo ( X8 ) could do PROPER AUX PARALLEL via analog. Doesn’t work via DIGITAL ports nor my other 3 units. What can be done to resolve this ? Must I sell ALL my apollos and just move on ? I’m extremely not understanding why can’t UA do some driver thingy that makes protools properly configure the latency. …….. Anyways besides avid proprietary HDX / HD NATIVE, what interfaces are folks using with protools that’s working with hardware via aux JUST fine ? Just a thought. You don’t have Insert Delay on in the UA Console, do you?
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Post by prene1 on Apr 26, 2022 20:29:15 GMT -6
Updated to the NEW ultimate. No ping feature, but I noticed something STRANGE. Only my MAIN Apollo ( X8 ) could do PROPER AUX PARALLEL via analog. Doesn’t work via DIGITAL ports nor my other 3 units. What can be done to resolve this ? Must I sell ALL my apollos and just move on ? I’m extremely not understanding why can’t UA do some driver thingy that makes protools properly configure the latency. …….. Anyways besides avid proprietary HDX / HD NATIVE, what interfaces are folks using with protools that’s working with hardware via aux JUST fine ? Just a thought. You don’t have Insert Delay on in the UA Console, do you? No.
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Post by guitfiddler on Apr 28, 2022 12:35:15 GMT -6
Isn't UA working on no latency inserts for hardware inserts for Luna with the Apollo's? Just like an Avid HDX system?
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Post by Quint on Apr 28, 2022 12:47:25 GMT -6
Isn't UA working on no latency inserts for hardware inserts for Luna with the Apollo's? Just like an Avid HDX system? Yes. As heavily requested as that feature is, I'd expect to have it pretty soon too.
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Post by drumrec on Apr 28, 2022 15:04:36 GMT -6
Isn't UA working on no latency inserts for hardware inserts for Luna with the Apollo's? Just like an Avid HDX system? Yes. As heavily requested as that feature is, I'd expect to have it pretty soon too. That day I'll be extra happy 🙌
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Post by ericn on Apr 28, 2022 17:40:44 GMT -6
Yes. As heavily requested as that feature is, I'd expect to have it pretty soon too. That day I'll be extra happy 🙌 My fear on this one is someone is going to realize it would be cheaper and easier to do this in UAD 3 or what ever comes next, yeah I’m a cynic.
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Post by sirthought on Apr 28, 2022 18:56:16 GMT -6
That day I'll be extra happy 🙌 My fear on this one is someone is going to realize it would be cheaper and easier to do this in UAD 3 or what ever comes next, yeah I’m a cynic. Totally un-useful to the discussion, as we're never going to know if there will be a UAD3. They've only indicated they plan to support UAD-2 and now UADx native. Not ending support for anything.
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Post by prene1 on Jun 18, 2022 22:13:17 GMT -6
So a crazy thing happened revisiting this.
When I route the bus into an audio track and record it. The flipping audio records in time. It’s the MONITORING that’s phasing like crazy!
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Post by drumsound on Jun 18, 2022 23:31:33 GMT -6
HDX here with AVID HD converters. No problems, no gotcha's. It just sounds good and works. I would assume in a set up like yours, that staying in the AVID universe is damn near mandatory.
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Post by Blackdawg on Jun 19, 2022 3:13:18 GMT -6
HDX here with AVID HD converters. No problems, no gotcha's. It just sounds good and works. I would assume in a set up like yours, that staying in the AVID universe is damn near mandatory. Hell I have HDX at work and home. Im never going back. Because as Bill said. It sounds good and works.
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Post by OtisGreying on Jun 19, 2022 3:22:01 GMT -6
I would assume in a set up like yours, that staying in the AVID universe is damn near mandatory. Hell I have HDX at work and home. Im never going back. Because as Bill said. It sounds good and works. Forgive my ignorance Blackdawg, but HDX is geared towards being able to track with processing in the chain at low latency and use DSP to offload CPU processing right? I haven’t read about any benefits regarding running hardware inserts being benefitted by HDX. Ableton/Logic seems to do those jobs just fine with automatic delay compensation and I haven’t had any trouble using my Lynx. Does HDX help somehow running a lot of hardware in a setup?
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Post by Blackdawg on Jun 19, 2022 3:32:42 GMT -6
Hell I have HDX at work and home. Im never going back. Because as Bill said. It sounds good and works. Forgive my ignorance Blackdawg, but HDX is geared towards being able to track with processing in the chain at low latency and use DSP to offload CPU processing right? I haven’t read about any benefits regarding running hardware inserts being benefitted by HDX. Ableton/Logic seems to do those jobs just fine with automatic delay compensation and I haven’t had any trouble using my Lynx. Does HDX help somehow running a lot of hardware in a setup? Sure does! It does auto delay compensation for each hardware insert too. Sample accurate compensation. Plus with the new Hybrid engine you have a lot of flexibility if you want to operate if full on HDX mode or in Hybrid mode. For Tracking Hybrid mode isn't ideal. You'd be in HDX mode. All plugins then get converted to run in DSP so that they can run accurately. This eats into your DSP though so there is a limit depending on how many cards your have. Hybrid mode is great for mixing or overdubbing some things. As native processing of most plugins is better. But the Inserts still run full DSP. If you have a Lynx and running it via HDX ports then it is tricking Protools into thinking it is an Avid HD I/O converter. Some third party manufacturers are good at that and some arent as good. Lynx is one of the highest recommended though for third party HDX converters.
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Post by drbill on Jun 19, 2022 9:15:57 GMT -6
HDX here with AVID HD converters. No problems, no gotcha's. It just sounds good and works. I would assume in a set up like yours, that staying in the AVID universe is damn near mandatory. I don't know if it's mandatory or not. It's just how I did (do) it, and it works flawlessly. Why try to recreate the wheel? If it works, it works.
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Post by drumsound on Jun 19, 2022 9:18:19 GMT -6
I would assume in a set up like yours, that staying in the AVID universe is damn near mandatory. I don't know if it's mandatory or not. It's just how I did (do) it, and it works flawlessly. Why try to recreate the wheel? If it works, it works. Exactly. You've cultivated a specific way of working and HDX, I assume, saves you several many headaches.
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Post by Quint on Jun 19, 2022 9:29:47 GMT -6
If I were going to go all in on HDX, I'd be looking hard at the Lynx Aurora (n) converters. Not that I'm currently considering it, but if I ever did decide to dump UAD/Luna, I would totally be going the Lynx route, and use that with PT Native or HDX. Those new Aurora (n) interfaces check a lot of boxes.
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Post by drbill on Jun 19, 2022 13:51:16 GMT -6
If I were going to go all in on HDX, I'd be looking hard at the Lynx Aurora (n) converters. Not that I'm currently considering it, but if I ever did decide to dump UAD/Luna, I would totally be going the Lynx route, and use that with PT Native or HDX. Those new Aurora (n) interfaces check a lot of boxes. The one box they DON'T check is the AVID box. Although they may work perfectly today, and probably tomorrow....they may not in the future, and as is the case with AVID, they (AVID) decide on and off to make changes that render 3rd party hardware obsolete and/or problematic. This has been the case in the past, and is a major reason (along with good interfacing options, and sounding great) that I've stuck with AVID hardware/interfaces. IME - for better or worse - step outside that box, and you're on your own.
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Post by Quint on Jun 19, 2022 14:02:09 GMT -6
If I were going to go all in on HDX, I'd be looking hard at the Lynx Aurora (n) converters. Not that I'm currently considering it, but if I ever did decide to dump UAD/Luna, I would totally be going the Lynx route, and use that with PT Native or HDX. Those new Aurora (n) interfaces check a lot of boxes. The one box they DON'T check is the AVID box. Although they may work perfectly today, and probably tomorrow....they may not in the future, and as is the case with AVID, they (AVID) decide on and off to make changes that render 3rd party hardware obsolete and/or problematic. This has been the case in the past, and is a major reason (along with good interfacing options, and sounding great) that I've stuck with AVID hardware/interfaces. IME - for better or worse - step outside that box, and you're on your own. I hear what you're saying, but I also have reason to trust Lynx to keep up with this kind of stuff and provide firmware updates accordingly.
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Post by drbill on Jun 19, 2022 17:09:25 GMT -6
The one box they DON'T check is the AVID box. Although they may work perfectly today, and probably tomorrow....they may not in the future, and as is the case with AVID, they (AVID) decide on and off to make changes that render 3rd party hardware obsolete and/or problematic. This has been the case in the past, and is a major reason (along with good interfacing options, and sounding great) that I've stuck with AVID hardware/interfaces. IME - for better or worse - step outside that box, and you're on your own. I hear what you're saying, but I also have reason to trust Lynx to keep up with this kind of stuff and provide firmware updates accordingly. I gotcha. That works until AVID doesn't want it to work anymore. It's happened before. I'm betting that it will happen again. . You know....AVID is AVID.
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