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Post by IamJohnGalt on Aug 5, 2013 23:54:17 GMT -6
Haha...A is actually the mod. JohnKenn...get to a decent monitor and see what you think.
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Post by tonycamphd on Aug 6, 2013 0:19:48 GMT -6
I chose vox A, guitar B, so...  Comeon man, which one was the mod for reals? why are you messing with me  ...  |
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Post by IamJohnGalt on Aug 6, 2013 7:13:50 GMT -6
I chose vox A, guitar B, so... Comeon man, which one was the mod for reals? why are you messing with me ... Try this plug out. It will allow you to switch back and forth easily for a better comparison. (thanks to Cat5 linking me to the plug). www.brainworx-music.de/en/plugins/bx_soloIll give you a hint tonycamphp...the answer is the first letter in the title to one of my favorite books. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 6, 2013 7:18:59 GMT -6
"Catcher In The Rye"?
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Post by IamJohnGalt on Aug 6, 2013 8:02:17 GMT -6
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Post by matt on Aug 6, 2013 11:22:14 GMT -6
Haha...A is actually the mod. JohnKenn...get to a decent monitor and see what you think. These comparos are very interesting, and a little evil (in that they can drive otherwise sane people crazy). I like the B versions. But I think either would print very nicely, perhaps with slightly different EQing and levels. Tomayto/Tomahto. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2013 11:41:15 GMT -6
But the difference between a stock high end converter and a modded one? I don't think I'd hear it. Unless you have your room acoustics in order and a high quality monitoring chain in place, that you know well, you probably wont hear it. oops....that was a classic purple place response. Face palm I'm very familiar with my monitoring situation. Just to be clear here somethings I did not hear in tests. I failed the VCC verse Console test... badly. I have failed a few ITB verse Summing mixers test. Plugin 1176s verse hardware 1176s Kemper vs Real Amp I passed one test. it was a shootout between a nicerizer, tonebuss, folcrom and tonelux and I picked all of them correctly first try. Other than that. I can't hear it. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2013 11:42:16 GMT -6
Shit my converters just went to L/M so I gotta wait. You have my word I will try the test.
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Post by dandeurloo on Aug 6, 2013 19:55:19 GMT -6
I want to know how it compares to the BLA Sig on the 002. That is really hard to beat at this point.
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Post by category5 on Aug 6, 2013 23:50:40 GMT -6
In my sleepless stupor I totally forgot to stop by here and chime in. All is well though, I got my BLA scheduled appointment before the start of the mad rush.  gearautopsy.com/bla-finally-lets-the-lion-out-of-uas-apollo/Sorry about the cute banter. Sometimes I can't help myself. Definitely download the full res versions of the files and the Brainworx solo plugin. No sense in stressing your ear out if you aren't going to do it right. IMO these are two different boxes. Any Apollo fan looking for better conversion should be getting in line for this Mod. I think it's much less subtle than a lot of the BLA comparisons I've heard done. I'll redo the pics when i get mine back. Didn't want to waste too much time at Ken's studio. Plus, the lighting wasn't on my side. Take note of the part #'s if you care. BLA is going to ask me remove them when they see what I have done. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Aug 7, 2013 0:32:28 GMT -6
thx for the great article! I enjoy the stock apollo but great to know there is an upgrade available so one can continue to capitalize on their apollo UA investment !
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Post by tonycamphd on Aug 7, 2013 0:53:47 GMT -6
Ok, i downloaded the wave samples, A. has lower extension by a long shot, and seems smoother. I've never heard a stock apollo, but my final guess is A. is the mod? I still think it's unfortunate, that their is no stacked track samples, that is where you will see the largest difference IMO.
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Post by kcatthedog on Aug 7, 2013 1:01:06 GMT -6
Ok, i downloaded the wave samples, A. has lower extension by a long shot, and seems smoother. I've never heard a stock apollo, but my final guess is A. is the mod? I still think it's unfortunate, that their is no stacked track samples, that is where you will see the largest difference IMO. Hey Tony, i asked cowboy to stack, Drmusic from TSTCBN is sending his bla apollo to cowboy now and cowboy will do another test. Since cat5 suggests the summed output from blaapollo may sound better than main outs, will be interesting to see if cowboy concurs. He will obviously out blaapollo through its paces as he has stock, 16 and symphony and burl ! If only Cowboy had some good gear to test with eh ! |
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 7, 2013 6:39:04 GMT -6
I was reading a Burl interview with Dave Cobb and they mentioned in there that they hadn't reinvented converter technology, they just made the analog path the best they could. Interested in how these compare.
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 7, 2013 6:56:28 GMT -6
I had the Apollo and Symphony for a little while and comparing them, I thought the Symphony sounded better on both sides. On the DA, just punchier, tighter bottom, smoother in the mids...And IMO, although it could have been psychosomatic, the same with the AD. Like Tony said, it's hard to judge because the stacking of tracks would and can really add to the differences...
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Post by kcatthedog on Aug 7, 2013 7:11:50 GMT -6
understood but if subtrack the cost of the uad-2 card in the apollo, the comparison of an apollo to a symphony is a 1:2 cost relationship. the bla mod kind of adds .8($800) so almost level cost relationship.
Shane and Ken's test seems to suggest BLA hit its target and kicked the apollo a solid sonic level.
There are things i like and dislike about the stock apollo but i have a quad, a satellite and the investment in the plugs, so the bla mod is a very attractive alternative to selling the apollo and upgrading which would likely cost considerably more than the bla mod !
when people make comparisons of converters, how often are they listening to just the converters ?
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Aug 7, 2013 8:06:16 GMT -6
"Converters" is used as a loose term. What most mean when they say converters is an interface as a whole, which is by in large, inaccurate. Like the above Burl reference, the magic happens in the analog path not so much a converter chip. Many interfaces and converters use the same chip yet sound very different. Same as any other gear, components used for the build matters more than anything towards an end sound.
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Post by IamJohnGalt on Aug 7, 2013 8:33:14 GMT -6
Ok, i downloaded the wave samples, A. has lower extension by a long shot, and seems smoother. I've never heard a stock apollo, but my final guess is A. is the mod? I still think it's unfortunate, that their is no stacked track samples, that is where you will see the largest difference IMO. You are correct. A is indeed the BLA. |
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Post by tonycamphd on Aug 7, 2013 10:04:12 GMT -6
"Converters" is used as a loose term. What most mean when they say converters is an interface as a whole, which is by in large, inaccurate. Like the above Burl reference, the magic happens in the analog path not so much a converter chip. Many interfaces and converters use the same chip yet sound very different. Same as any other gear, components used for the build matters more than anything towards an end sound. cowboy, i agree with this entirely with one addition, word clocking is huge for accuracy and stability sake FMU |
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Comeon man, which one was the mod for reals? why are you messing with me 
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