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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 24, 2022 17:05:56 GMT -6
I just sold something for $1554 on Reverb. I paid $39.10 for a payment processing, $73.25 selling fee and $89.06 in tax. Now I will also have to claim it as "income" even after I was taxed on it the first time when it was sold to me.
That's 13% just to re-sell an item I paid for and was taxed on once. It's gotten completely out of control.
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Post by srb on Feb 24, 2022 17:14:49 GMT -6
I think the tax is added to the buyer's total? Doesn't come off the top of your proceeds?
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Post by ericn on Feb 24, 2022 17:16:44 GMT -6
I just sold something for $1554 on Reverb. I paid $39.10 for a payment processing, $73.25 selling fee and $89.06 in tax. Now I will also have to claim it as "income" even after I was taxed on it the first time when it was sold to me. That's 13% just to re-sell an item I paid for and was taxed on once. It's gotten completely out of control. Once again, you are only taxed on the mark up above what you originally paid, not the total price, as you were always supposed to report such income, nobody did so this is where we are at. The fees, yeah they suck but, that’s what happens when someone takes on big debt to buy a buisness. Now JK sit down with an accountant and figure out how much you can save tax wise if you set everything up as a buisness. I do wonder if REVERB has a special rate for high volume sellers.
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Post by indiehouse on Feb 24, 2022 17:25:28 GMT -6
It’s definitely doused my desire to try new gear. I am much more careful and cautious with my purchases these days. Which works out well considering the supply chain issues.
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 24, 2022 17:28:11 GMT -6
I just sold something for $1554 on Reverb. I paid $39.10 for a payment processing, $73.25 selling fee and $89.06 in tax. Now I will also have to claim it as "income" even after I was taxed on it the first time when it was sold to me. That's 13% just to re-sell an item I paid for and was taxed on once. It's gotten completely out of control. Once again, you are only taxed on the mark up above what you originally paid, not the total price, as you were always supposed to report such income, nobody did so this is where we are at. The fees, yeah they suck but, that’s what happens when someone takes on big debt to buy a buisness. Now JK sit down with an accountant and figure out how much you can save tax wise if you set everything up as a buisness. I do wonder if REVERB has a special rate for high volume sellers. True, I sold for less than I paid...but I'm mostly talking about the $202 I paid in fees and taxes to sell property I own. I'm talking about the principle of being taxed possibly three times (if you sold for more than you paid) for the same item.
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Post by ericn on Feb 24, 2022 17:28:32 GMT -6
I think the tax is added to the buyer's total? Doesn't come off the top of your proceeds? Profit on sales needs to be reported as income. I guess I’m not going to score a bunch of cheap mics and make $2000 in profit in a single month this year, looking at our taxes I just did really really close to moving to a new bracket.
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 24, 2022 17:35:30 GMT -6
I think the tax is added to the buyer's total? Doesn't come off the top of your proceeds? You're right - it SHOULD be the buyer that pays. They charged me $89 MA tax.
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Post by srb on Feb 24, 2022 17:41:06 GMT -6
I think the tax is added to the buyer's total? Doesn't come off the top of your proceeds? Profit on sales needs to be reported as income. I guess I’m not going to score a bunch of cheap mics and make $2000 in profit in a single month this year, looking at our taxes I just did really really close to moving to a new bracket. I'm referencing the sales tax Reverb collects from buyers where they have to do that. I've been doing my gig these 20+ years with a tax ID, Schedule C...the whole shebang. I report the income...and take deductions!
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Post by srb on Feb 24, 2022 17:42:23 GMT -6
I think the tax is added to the buyer's total? Doesn't come off the top of your proceeds? You're right - it SHOULD be the buyer that pays. They charged me $89 MA tax. Well, that's surprising. Is that not in error??
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Post by indiehouse on Feb 24, 2022 17:45:34 GMT -6
I think the tax is added to the buyer's total? Doesn't come off the top of your proceeds? You're right - it SHOULD be the buyer that pays. They charged me $89 MA tax. I think I know what you're talking about. They collect it from the buyer, so it's part of the payment that you received, which then they deduct from.
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Feb 24, 2022 17:54:01 GMT -6
I get what everyone's said on this issue about the gains/losses based on when you bought and then sold, but if you're like me where you have an LLC that makes 5-10% of what I spend a year on gear as well as a day job that you get a W-2 for, you're not writing off every damn thing you buy against your business.
Yes, my fault that I may want to sell something I never reported as an expense, but not my fault the gestapo reduced the income ceiling by $19,400 overnight. I would have rethought things the last five or six years and written everything off against whatever small profits came in.
It has certainly kept me from listing stuff on Reverb since the start of the new year. And, no mistake that I got an email from Venmo just today about what's taxable and what's not. They are feeling the immediate transactional pain. I'd bet on it.
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Post by srb on Feb 24, 2022 17:54:41 GMT -6
You're right - it SHOULD be the buyer that pays. They charged me $89 MA tax. I think I know what you're talking about. They collect it from the buyer, so it's part of the payment that you received, which then they deduct from. There we go. Feels like a shitty deal on Reverb sometimes anymore...but taking it off the seller's top would be extra shitty.
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 24, 2022 20:45:24 GMT -6
You're right - it SHOULD be the buyer that pays. They charged me $89 MA tax. I think I know what you're talking about. They collect it from the buyer, so it's part of the payment that you received, which then they deduct from. Yeah. You’re right.
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Post by wiz on Feb 24, 2022 20:53:35 GMT -6
I feel for you guys sounds horrible
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Post by ml on Feb 24, 2022 21:43:36 GMT -6
Can’t we all just start using bitcoin? until they inevitably start taxing that too
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Post by superwack on Feb 24, 2022 22:10:46 GMT -6
Can’t we all just start using bitcoin? until they inevitably start taxing that too Maybe we should launch GearCoin for buying and selling audio gear?
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Post by Martin John Butler on Feb 24, 2022 22:55:47 GMT -6
I keep telling you guys to try facebook's Marketplace. My last 4 of 5 sales came from a listing there. It's all done privately, facebook is not in on the action. Paypal or Venmo will take a small slice. You handle the rest.
John, sounds like you need to check on the tax thing with an accountant, something doesn't seem right there.
Oh, I will never list on Reverb or eBay. They're just way to much hassle for me. I only use Facebook, Craigslist, (which still works occasionally), and the classifieds here at RGO.
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Post by Blackdawg on Feb 24, 2022 23:36:29 GMT -6
I keep telling you guys to try facebook's Marketplace. My last 4 of 5 sales came from a listing there. It's all done privately, facebook is not in on the action. Paypal or Venmo will take a small slice. You handle the rest. John, sounds like you need to check on the tax thing with an accountant, something doesn't seem right there. Oh, I will never list on Reverb or eBay. They're just way to much hassle for me. I only use Facebook, Craigslist, (which still works occasionally), and the classifieds here at RGO. If you're using Paypal or Venmo through Facebook they will be reporting your sales over the $600 mark and you'll get a 1099 this year from them. So you'll get taxed at tax time next year. Only way to avoid it at this point is cash only.
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Post by Ward on Feb 25, 2022 7:10:46 GMT -6
I keep telling you guys to try facebook's Marketplace. My last 4 of 5 sales came from a listing there. It's all done privately, facebook is not in on the action. Paypal or Venmo will take a small slice. You handle the rest. John, sounds like you need to check on the tax thing with an accountant, something doesn't seem right there. Oh, I will never list on Reverb or eBay. They're just way to much hassle for me. I only use Facebook, Craigslist, (which still works occasionally), and the classifieds here at RGO. Get a good accountant who knows what s/he is doing! All your work expenses are deducted against ALL your income, regardless of division. But don't take my word for it, speak with an educated accountant or tax lawyer first. It is worth the money and time. It was for me at least!
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Post by svart on Feb 25, 2022 7:44:05 GMT -6
Remember, it's to catch billionaire tax cheats. It's for your own good. Government loves you. Do not question it.
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Post by gwlee7 on Feb 25, 2022 7:55:49 GMT -6
Remember, it's to catch billionaire tax cheats. It's for your own good. Government loves you. Do not question it. Done to “catch” them or done because they are allowed to cheat? Regardless, regular folks have been getting hammered on taxes forever.
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Post by svart on Feb 25, 2022 8:07:29 GMT -6
Remember, it's to catch billionaire tax cheats. It's for your own good. Government loves you. Do not question it. Done to “catch” them or done because they are allowed to cheat? Regardless, regular folks have been getting hammered on taxes forever. They told us it's to help "catch" them. Years ago the IRS did a study to find out how people spent their money. Turns out they accidentally found that cash-paid workers tended to spend 30-40% more money than they claimed on taxes. This corresponds to more lost tax revenue overall than what billionaires are supposedly not paying through lawful concessions. They're just telling us that it's billionaires when it's really US they want to catch because that's how the system works. Divide. Conquer. Keep people envious and jealous and they're easy to fool.
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Post by superwack on Feb 25, 2022 9:54:28 GMT -6
My problem with all of this is that they are implementing it during the pandemic when the entertainment industry has been devastated by canceled gigs/concerts/sessions/etc. which has forced people - who don’t typically have much money - to sell some/all of their gear to make ends meet. the fact that the musicians/engineers will then be taxed on whatever small amount of profit they make is ridiculous. The advice to get an accountant is smart but that’s not money most (not) gigging musicians can afford to pay - especially if they are selling stuff to make rent or whatever. Also if they haven’t done it in the past they will have to pay to redo/refile years of taxes to establish the gear was purchased as a business expense in the first place. Not to generalize too much but most creative people are not financial experts… did you ever hear the story about John Frusciante not even understanding what a credit card WAS when he was making millions with the Red Hot Chili Peppers?!?
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Post by jcoutu1 on Feb 25, 2022 10:21:51 GMT -6
No 1099 with Zelle.
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Post by Blackdawg on Feb 25, 2022 10:56:38 GMT -6
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