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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 22, 2022 5:01:24 GMT -6
I know we have at least a couple of very happy lyd48 users here: you know who you are ! I know all about their design and demoed some a few year’s ago, liked them a lot but at the time thought they ( bass response) were too much for my room and it’s problems. (My REW room measurement and tweaking adventure is going very well, now just resolving a 50hz peak, I know more deeper absorption, going to retro fit some 4 inches out to 6 and build some membrane bass absorbers using the bbc diagrams for my back wall.) So, how do you guys like the lyd48, flatness, detail and overall balance? I remember finding them full but balanced, neutral in a way, but with really good mid clarity too.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2022 12:21:36 GMT -6
You rang? In summary they're articulate but not overpowering and rather neutral, in my previous test against a pricer model I found them to be less coloured as well. They're not ruler flat (is any monitor?) as shown in the doc below but it's (mainly) all within +- 2dB from 70Hz up to around 7K where there seems to be a 3(ish) dB drop, then a spike onwards. Although that's pretty good for any monitor until you start reaching SCM 45 sort of money which are +-2dB from 70Hz to 17Khz. dynaudiodata.blob.core.windows.net/media/6539/spec_for_lyd48_2017pdf.pdfIf nothing else the price vs. performance is impressive. The only way I can really describe them is the Dyn's just get out of the way, a bad mix sounds bad, a good one sounds good and they don't sound drastically out of touch with their target audience to the point they don't translate. Stereo field is wide and it can get into reach out / grab an instrument territory but compared to high end Genelec's, Gethain's etc. it's a lot easier to move out of the phantom centre (or image). That's more problematic in commercial studio's than home setups, you won't be sat in the middle with someone else two foot at either side (if they want to listen to the monitor mix). Then again you could just move, y'know. It's not like some cheap coax's or other cheap monitors though where you can move your head from side to side and the stereo field collapses, you'd have to purposely shift the chair around. As you have specified, they can kick like a mule and they certainly don't need a sub if your room can take it. If bass is an issue though there are dip switches on the back to filter.. They'll do 52, 42 or 32 Hz dependant on your selection.. IMO you're going to have to spend at least double to see a real improvement from what I've tested so far but I've not tried every monitor in the world. Only about 30+ pairs ..
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Post by ragan on Jan 22, 2022 12:25:40 GMT -6
I haven't tried anywhere near as many as @soriantis has, but the LYD48s put a smile on my face the moment I fired them up and it's still there years later. They're a joy.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2022 12:58:50 GMT -6
I haven't tried anywhere near as many as @soriantis has, but the LYD48s put a smile on my face the moment I fired them up and it's still there years later. They're a joy. Agreed, after unlearning a pair of Adam S3's I've just stuck with the Dyn's. Not heard another set of monitors since 2018, you were the one that recommended them on GS I believe? Still appreciate that ..
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2022 13:08:53 GMT -6
Dyn done well is👌
You just have to get the right ones like the bm6, Bm6a, m2, and Lyd 48. Some of the hifi models and off sizes of the monitors can be way too warm or scooped
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Post by sean on Jan 22, 2022 13:12:01 GMT -6
Dyn done well is👌 You just have to get the right ones like the bm6, Bm6a, m2, and Lyd 48. Some of the hifi models and off sizes of the monitors can be way too warm or scooped The tracking studio has a pair of M2 that I love. Been thinking about BM6’s as nearfields to replace some Yamaha’s that are in there now
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2022 13:21:24 GMT -6
Dyn done well is👌 You just have to get the right ones like the bm6, Bm6a, m2, and Lyd 48. Some of the hifi models and off sizes of the monitors can be way too warm or scooped The tracking studio has a pair of M2 that I love. Been thinking about BM6’s as nearfields to replace some Yamaha’s that are in there now The m2 are such sick speakers and used to be a great used deal. Dudes were selling them for like 1500 a pair and Quested H208 for 4-5k max a pair. Covid prices are nuts for old stuff that needs some tlc So were krk 6000 until you release each new nos jm labs / focal tweeter cost as much as a pair of the speakers.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 22, 2022 13:50:30 GMT -6
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Post by ericn on Jan 22, 2022 22:53:13 GMT -6
The tracking studio has a pair of M2 that I love. Been thinking about BM6’s as nearfields to replace some Yamaha’s that are in there now The m2 are such sick speakers and used to be a great used deal. Dudes were selling them for like 1500 a pair and Quested H208 for 4-5k max a pair. Covid prices are nuts for old stuff that needs some tlc So were krk 6000 until you release each new nos jm labs / focal tweeter cost as much as a pair of the speakers. M2 is very very special, if you love the dynaudio sound. Yeah focal drivers are insane these days. if your in the market for a 3 way take a look at the consumer proacs.
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Post by theshea on Apr 20, 2022 2:50:42 GMT -6
i am still undecided which monitors to buy. i want to step up from my focal alpha 65's ... am ready to order some dynaudios to try at my studio (4,2 x 4,8 x 2,4 m, well threated).
the lyd 48, bm6a classics are within my budget as is the cheaper lyd 7 (i read a very good review about it, but it's just "a review"). you guys seem to know dynaudio rather well. so between the bm6a classic and the lyd 48: which one would you try first? unfortunately no chance to just try 'em all out at my studio, have to order/buy them (and in case return them).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2022 3:41:02 GMT -6
i am still undecided which monitors to buy. i want to step up from my focal alpha 65's ... am ready to order some dynaudios to try at my studio (4,2 x 4,8 x 2,4 m, well threated). the lyd 48, bm6a classics are within my budget as is the cheaper lyd 7 (i read a very good review about it, but it's just "a review"). you guys seem to know dynaudio rather well. so between the bm6a classic and the lyd 48: which one would you try first? unfortunately no chance to just try 'em all out at my studio, have to order/buy them (and in case return them). I know the LYD 48's well, I've never come across another set of Dyn's in any other studio and I used to freelance. They were all Genelec, Adam, ATC, Event, PSI or Barefoot.. I'll skip all the intricate details and just say after using some top shelf stuff the Focal CMS65's I bought were out the door a week later, the Dyn's are IMO in another league. Sure they're definitely not the best monitors I've ever heard given an unlimited budget but the fact that they can hang in the same room says a lot. Whether you'll like them or not? No idea, the power of preference and adaption is not to be underestimated. Again they are neutral, relatively well tuned, have a decent phantom centre / stereo image and I have no issues with them. Plus I almost always prefer 3-way / coax's over 2-way designs.. Try 'em, see what you think.
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Post by drumsound on Apr 20, 2022 7:55:13 GMT -6
I had a guy bring in Dyn Bm15s a couple of times, and I really liked their low end, I found them VERY fatiguing. After an hour or so I felt like I'd been working for 8. Are any of you with the Lyds experiencing any of that? They seem like a pretty affordable way to get into 3-way land without going broke.
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Post by ericn on Apr 20, 2022 8:29:56 GMT -6
I had a guy bring in Dyn Bm15s a couple of times, and I really liked their low end, I found them VERY fatiguing. After an hour or so I felt like I'd been working for 8. Are any of you with the Lyds experiencing any of that? They seem like a pretty affordable way to get into 3-way land without going broke. Tony, I believe the 15’s used a variant of the Esotar Tweeter and yeah after a bit of time they could give you a headache. I don’t think the LYD’s use that family of drivers. Don’t get me wrong love the Esotar drivers just have some peaks you have to take care of.
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Post by phdamage on Apr 20, 2022 8:48:10 GMT -6
I had a guy bring in Dyn Bm15s a couple of times, and I really liked their low end, I found them VERY fatiguing. After an hour or so I felt like I'd been working for 8. Are any of you with the Lyds experiencing any of that? They seem like a pretty affordable way to get into 3-way land without going broke. I've only had them a few months, but I have had more than a couple long days on my LYD 48s and I have not found them fatiguing at all. My previous monitors were B&W 805 matrix - which always felt like I could work forever on. I am using Sonarworks, FYI
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2022 9:32:43 GMT -6
Yeah, AFAIK the BM's are a completely different design.
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Post by Quint on Apr 20, 2022 9:32:58 GMT -6
I had a guy bring in Dyn Bm15s a couple of times, and I really liked their low end, I found them VERY fatiguing. After an hour or so I felt like I'd been working for 8. Are any of you with the Lyds experiencing any of that? They seem like a pretty affordable way to get into 3-way land without going broke. I can't speak to the BM15s, but if the Lyd softdomes are anything like the softdomes I've used in the BM5a (I hear that they are similar), they shouldn't be fatiguing. That was actually one of the selling points for me on the BM5a and is the same reason that I'm interested in getting the Lyd48 in the near future.
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 20, 2022 10:00:27 GMT -6
Aren’t the 15 and 48 like 2 decades apart in terms of design and release ?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2022 10:01:59 GMT -6
Seen as this is an LYD thread, any ideas on an upgrade path? Won't deny it, more of a fancy than a necessity but I mean at this point why not?
On my list thus far is the Dynaudio Core 59, Gethain RL940 or the Genelec 8341 (coax) monitors.
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Post by ericn on Apr 20, 2022 10:19:51 GMT -6
Seen as this is an LYD thread, any ideas on an upgrade path? Won't deny it, more of a fancy than a necessity but I mean at this point why not? On my list thus far is the Dynaudio Core 59, Gethain RL940 or the Genelec 8341 (coax) monitors. There were a pair of PROAC EBS on EBay in the UK I almost sent you a link about a week ago basically think sealed early passive ATC 50’s.
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Post by ericn on Apr 20, 2022 11:33:14 GMT -6
Aren’t the 15 and 48 like 2 decades apart in terms of design and release ? Yeah but in that time I don’t think Dynaudio improved its drivers sonics, I’m sure they figured out how to build them quicker and cheaper. The best example of this my good friend who is sorely missed worked for a local company that builds high dollar consumer speakers, they used the OEM top Dynaudio mid dome for years, thing is to meet their standards they had about a 40% reject rate, well Tang Band out of China makes a clone, 1/2 the cost. Now what do you think the reject rate of Cheap Chinese clones is when the real Dyn was about 50%? Almost zero! Yep Dynaudio could buy cheap Tang Band clones for 1/2 the price and it has more consistent performance. It makes you wonder why would they still build drivers?
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 20, 2022 11:55:54 GMT -6
All good, I just meant the SD tweeter in the 48 is a newer design, so sounds different better?
When I demoed the 48, no issues with anything, just cost and thought they slightly overpowered my room(bass response).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2022 12:39:55 GMT -6
Seen as this is an LYD thread, any ideas on an upgrade path? Won't deny it, more of a fancy than a necessity but I mean at this point why not? On my list thus far is the Dynaudio Core 59, Gethain RL940 or the Genelec 8341 (coax) monitors. ATC SCM50 and PSI A25. Maybe Reflector Audio USA? Crazy but I've heard great things.
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Post by Quint on Apr 20, 2022 15:01:22 GMT -6
Aren’t the 15 and 48 like 2 decades apart in terms of design and release ? Yeah but in that time I don’t think Dynaudio improved its drivers sonics, I’m sure they figured out how to build them quicker and cheaper. The best example of this my good friend who is sorely missed worked for a local company that builds high dollar consumer speakers, they used the OEM top Dynaudio mid dome for years, thing is to meet their standards they had about a 40% reject rate, well Tang Band out of China makes a clone, 1/2 the cost. Now what do you think the reject rate of Cheap Chinese clones is when the real Dyn was about 50%? Almost zero! Yep Dynaudio could buy cheap Tang Band clones for 1/2 the price and it has more consistent performance. It makes you wonder why would they still build drivers? I'm not following. How do the cheaper driver clones have a lower reject rate?
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Post by ericn on Apr 20, 2022 15:14:37 GMT -6
Yeah but in that time I don’t think Dynaudio improved its drivers sonics, I’m sure they figured out how to build them quicker and cheaper. The best example of this my good friend who is sorely missed worked for a local company that builds high dollar consumer speakers, they used the OEM top Dynaudio mid dome for years, thing is to meet their standards they had about a 40% reject rate, well Tang Band out of China makes a clone, 1/2 the cost. Now what do you think the reject rate of Cheap Chinese clones is when the real Dyn was about 50%? Almost zero! Yep Dynaudio could buy cheap Tang Band clones for 1/2 the price and it has more consistent performance. It makes you wonder why would they still build drivers? I'm not following. How do the cheaper driver clones have a lower reject rate? That’s the kicker, The Chinese figured out how to build them cheaper and more consistently. If you actually talk to a number of builders you will hear this tale time and time again. Other than a handful of very very high priced drivers ( ATC, Volt, SkanSpeak) Chinese clones over all reduce reject rates most of the time, the only problem is getting them right now. I know it seams wrong and if I hadn’t heard it directly from people associated with speaker builders I trust I would not believe it. Hell I know a guy who after discovering the Tang Band Dynaudio Clone said he would pay for a pair of the ATC s mid to send the Chinese to clone. Also understand in many cases some highly respected driver manufacturers may use a Chinese OEM for some parts. So the Chinese often have an authorized investment in getting these drivers built cheaper, and more consistently.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2022 15:15:37 GMT -6
Seen as this is an LYD thread, any ideas on an upgrade path? Won't deny it, more of a fancy than a necessity but I mean at this point why not? On my list thus far is the Dynaudio Core 59, Gethain RL940 or the Genelec 8341 (coax) monitors. ATC SCM50 and PSI A25. Maybe Reflector Audio USA? Crazy but I've heard great things. At $17.5K the ATC's are a bit above my budget chief, so are the PSI A25's.. Either you think the LYD's are incredible or you're trying to bankrupt me .. My budget is about $7.5K.. The Dyn's just for reference here cost $2.3K..
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