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Post by wiz on May 10, 2014 18:44:34 GMT -6
Not meant as a joke at all.
I suffer greatly from motion sickness, I can't be a passenger in a car without being ill unless the driver is really smooth. I can't go out in boats, or watch those movies at the amusement parks where it feels like you are moving but you are not.
I also, get ill from certain music. Not a gag.
I was listening to some stuff this morning, I don't feel a hundred percent today as it is...
The music, was very heavily compressed, right in the ball park for that genre though, after a couple of minutes I was physically getting motion sickness.
I find this happens with heavily (notice I didn't say OVER, thats an artistic decision I reckon) compressed music.
There are also low frequency content that can make me ill. I once threw up checking for resonant frequency issues on the Yamaha AW4416 it would have drive write failures under certain
circumstances with drums near it, somewhere around 350hz really loud, and I barfed.
cheers
Wiz
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2014 18:58:37 GMT -6
I believe it. A family member has a condition (unknown) where their inner ear is off making them ill due to motion, really quickly. Additionally, certain sound condition affects them, making them disoriented and can lead to nausea.
I wish I knew what it was. Sorry to hear bro.
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Post by tonycamphd on May 10, 2014 20:19:39 GMT -6
Jeez wiz, that sounds horrible! I feel your pain to a degree, i cant go anywhere near a boat, i had a job doing a kitchen remodel on a boat, around christmas 2012, as soon as i stepped on the docks i'd get sick and have to suffer it all day long, yes, docked in the harbor  I don't do well with herky jerky drivers as a passenger either. The following is me with a herky jerky driver coming straight at you in Ozland  a couple minutes later....  lol |
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Post by svart on May 10, 2014 21:55:01 GMT -6
Motion sickness starts in the ears. It's no wonder that certain sounds can do it too. I'd go get checked by the doctor. Chances are that you have extra pressure in your inner ear.
I get motion sick if I try to read in the car but that's about it. I can read on airplanes though.
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Post by henge on May 11, 2014 9:25:41 GMT -6
I'm not nearly as bad a you wiz but I can sympathize. I get motion sickness very easily. Boats are a no go... |
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Post by RicFoxx on May 11, 2014 9:50:20 GMT -6
Not meant as a joke at all. I suffer greatly from motion sickness, I can't be a passenger in a car without being ill unless the driver is really smooth. I can't go out in boats, or watch those movies at the amusement parks where it feels like you are moving but you are not. I also, get ill from certain music. Not a gag. I was listening to some stuff this morning, I don't feel a hundred percent today as it is... The music, was very heavily compressed, right in the ball park for that genre though, after a couple of minutes I was physically getting motion sickness. I find this happens with heavily (notice I didn't say OVER, thats an artistic decision I reckon) compressed music. There are also low frequency content that can make me ill. I once threw up checking for resonant frequency issues on the Yamaha AW4416 it would have drive write failures under certain circumstances with drums near it, somewhere around 350hz really loud, and I barfed. cheers Wiz go see an ENT IMMEDIATELY! Could be a long standing ear infection but something is jacking your inner ear up. I have went through that before! |
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Post by Johnkenn on May 11, 2014 11:18:47 GMT -6
Yeah...Bro Country makes me vomit.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2014 11:48:35 GMT -6
Hey Wiz,
Get yourself over to an ear-nose-throat specialist and plan on seeing a neurologist after that. There could be physical causes--I once had small flecks of calcium deposits in my inner ear that caused problems when they got stirred up. It wasn't as bad as what you're describing, but it was awfully unpleasant for a while. It may also be possible that your inner ear has been damaged by a virus. Someone near and dear lost nearly all hearing in one ear--overnight--and suffered from vertigo for quite some time afterwards. From the best any specialist could tell, it was because a virus had gotten in and chewed up the nerves.
My problem was physical--rest, care and some dietary adjustments were all that was needed. The other case was neurological. It can't be cured, but there are coping strategies that can help a lot. You really, really don't want to suffer if you can help it. I really hope you're able to find a medical specialist who will take this seriously.
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Post by mulmany on May 11, 2014 12:28:53 GMT -6
Wiz, I feel your pain. I found out while doing my first studio internship. I woke up in the middle of the night feeling like I was falling through the floor. I rushed to the door and vomited. My balanced was all screwed up, I fell twice trying to get to the sink to rinse out my mouth. For the next 3 days I was racked with the worst headache ever. I went back into the studio and the second we played the track we were working on I felt nausea again. This was the beginning of a now 16 year ordeal. It has struck me at different times, usually corresponding with loud audio stimulation. I finally got a slew of testes done when the headache lasted for over a week and I was left mentally wrecked. All the tests came back inconclusive, so I have learned to live with it, turning down the music when I feel the warning signs. They include the muscles in the back of my neck clamping up and a slight floating/falling sensation. I must say though, it has gotten much better and I have a hard time remembering the last time it happened.
I have made a direct correlation, like you, between heavy compression and the onset of the symptoms. I also think it has components of phase and distortion issues.
I hope you can figure out what your triggers are.
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Post by wiz on May 11, 2014 15:59:25 GMT -6
Wow, I thought I was the only one.
Really glad I brought this up.
I have had a virus (labrynthitis?) a couple of years back, that describes much of what others had been through, and my band mate just went through it as well. Its awful.
My whole life I have had the motion sickness thing.
thanks guys, will chase it all up
cheers
Wiz
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Post by formatcyes on May 11, 2014 16:21:57 GMT -6
Motion sickness is you brain saying. Something is wrong with reality you must have eaten something to cause this better throw it up. Made sense when we where hunting and gathering not so much now.
Did not know audio could cause this you must be super sensitive to "reality".
I fly light aircraft and do not get motion sickness but have a friend who use to. He was getting worse and discovered that sitting in the cockpit with out the aircraft moving was causing him to get sick. He fixed it him self by sitting in the cockpit with a timer and leaving before he got sick. Over a period he extended the time out until he diden't get sick sitting in the cockpit. He then repeated the process in the air short flights first and landing before he got sick. Now he does not get airsick. Don't know if this process works for anyone else but it worked for him.
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Post by henge on May 11, 2014 16:37:19 GMT -6
Motion sickness is you brain saying. Something is wrong with reality you must have eaten something to cause this better throw it up. Made sense when we where hunting and gathering not so much now. Did not know audio could cause this you must be super sensitive to "reality". I fly light aircraft and do not get motion sickness but have a friend who use to. He was getting worse and discovered that sitting in the cockpit with out the aircraft moving was causing him to get sick. He fixed it him self by sitting in the cockpit with a timer and leaving before he got sick. Over a period he extended the time out until he diden't get sick sitting in the cockpit. He then repeated the process in the air short flights first and landing before he got sick. Now he does not get airsick. Don't know if this process works for anyone else but it worked for him. Wow! Your friend is a master of desensitization. Amazing! |
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Post by wiz on May 11, 2014 17:51:29 GMT -6
Motion sickness is you brain saying. Something is wrong with reality you must have eaten something to cause this better throw it up. Made sense when we where hunting and gathering not so much now. Did not know audio could cause this you must be super sensitive to "reality". I fly light aircraft and do not get motion sickness but have a friend who use to. He was getting worse and discovered that sitting in the cockpit with out the aircraft moving was causing him to get sick. He fixed it him self by sitting in the cockpit with a timer and leaving before he got sick. Over a period he extended the time out until he diden't get sick sitting in the cockpit. He then repeated the process in the air short flights first and landing before he got sick. Now he does not get airsick. Don't know if this process works for anyone else but it worked for him. Wow! Your friend is a master of desensitization. Amazing! He really is inspiring. Good on him, thats a great story. Man, I would love to be able to go on a cruise ship. cheers Wiz |
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Post by scumbum on May 13, 2014 17:58:04 GMT -6
So maybe the Brown Noise is real , I thought South Park just made it up !
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Post by ardis on May 14, 2015 10:38:06 GMT -6
I have vertigo that is basically a migrane without the headache. Amine sensitivity is what causes it and it is controllable by diet. There isn't a lot of info on it but I found a list of foods that contain amines and follow it strictly. Otherwise I'm a mess! Serious indeed!
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 11:13:49 GMT -6
There are many connections between hearing and motion perception, i think i can directly say which songs would make you motion sick and which don't.
Heavily compressed music, probably things like gated trance and dance stuff, songs where there is heavy compression going on in the master bus, right?
This type of compression does something to the stereo balance and room impression, it can fool your acoustical room orientation, gives you the impression of moving, which, in most cases, is an effect that is used on purpose.
For people who are sensible to it, for whatever reason, and this must not be a pathological thing, some people just have a more sensible neurological system, this can lead to real motion sickness up to vertigo and vomiting.
I know several women who suffer from heavy motion sickness when playing 3d-games or hearing loud bass-heavy music. Where acoustic effects esp. in the low end are less controllable consciously, nearly as your sickness reaction to ugly smells, that can provoke vomiting even before you become aware of the smell...
Brain is a bitch sometimes...
Personally, i just feel the tendency of the motion perception quite intense, but don't get motion sick. This said, i have never been motion sick in my life, which i am thankful for, because i can travel by car, boat/ship and plane without any problems, even if 90% of the passengers are sick like hell. I remember a stormy ship passage to England, where a friend of mine and me were the only people that had the whole breakfast buffet alone. All others drinking tea and eating pills against sea sickness and travel sickness...
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Post by ragan on May 14, 2015 11:25:52 GMT -6
Sorry to hear, man.
Does meclozine (Dramamine is the most known branded version) help at all?
Ask your doc about maniere's disease. Docs miss it a lot. My mom has it. Wreaks all kinds of motion/balance havoc.
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Post by tasteliketape on May 14, 2015 11:41:28 GMT -6
This type of thing seems to be really strange
I can't read in cars or play racing vidio games
but I've raced sailboats for over ten years in all kinds of ruff weather even with no land in sight with never a problem
But the music Thang would suck man i feel
for you
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Post by matt on May 14, 2015 11:59:52 GMT -6
Wiz, I gotta pile on and say get yourself to your doctor, ASAP. If it's an ear problem, help is usually available.
On a personal note, I vomit from too much sex. The thing is, I haven't been sick in years.
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Post by mdmitch2 on May 14, 2015 12:01:59 GMT -6
Ask your doc about maniere's disease. Docs miss it a lot. My mom has it. Wreaks all kinds of motion/balance havoc. Both of my parent's have been diagnosed with meniere's which is odd since it's not contagious and affects 1/10,000 people... Their doctors speculate that it may have been caused by low level carbon monoxide poisoning from an incorrectly installed water heater than ran for years before anyone figured it out. My dad has had a lot of hearing loss as a result. He was able to get his symptoms under control by limiting his salt intake. |
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Post by mobeach on May 14, 2015 12:18:44 GMT -6
I have no problem with motion, I just can't be a passenger in a vehicle while someone else is driving. Especially a lead footed woman! I just got over a broken leg and a lady friend was driving me around, she kept giving me anxiety attacks!
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Post by jcoutu1 on May 14, 2015 12:19:14 GMT -6
This type of thing seems to be really strange I can't read in cars or play racing vidio games but I've raced sailboats for over ten years in all kinds of ruff weather even with no land in sight with never a problem But the music Thang would suck man i feel for you I can't read in a car, but have no problem reading on a train. |
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Post by jcoutu1 on May 14, 2015 12:21:09 GMT -6
On a personal note, I vomit from too much sex. The thing is, I haven't been sick in years. Quote of the year. |
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Post by tonycamphd on May 14, 2015 12:34:39 GMT -6
On a personal note, I vomit from too much sex. The thing is, I haven't been sick in years. Quote of the year. I swear i was reading this thread and i thought the exact same thing, copied the quote and moved to post it up when i saw your post J, the only thing is my quote is from @smallbutfine and it goes like this....
"the brain is a bitch sometimes" 8) |
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Post by drew571 on May 14, 2015 15:01:36 GMT -6
Wiz, I feel your pain. I found out while doing my first studio internship. I woke up in the middle of the night feeling like I was falling through the floor. I rushed to the door and vomited. My balanced was all screwed up, I fell twice trying to get to the sink to rinse out my mouth. For the next 3 days I was racked with the worst headache ever. I went back into the studio and the second we played the track we were working on I felt nausea again. This was the beginning of a now 16 year ordeal. It has struck me at different times, usually corresponding with loud audio stimulation. I finally got a slew of testes done when the headache lasted for over a week and I was left mentally wrecked. All the tests came back inconclusive, so I have learned to live with it, turning down the music when I feel the warning signs. They include the muscles in the back of my neck clamping up and a slight floating/falling sensation. I must say though, it has gotten much better and I have a hard time remembering the last time it happened. I have made a direct correlation, like you, between heavy compression and the onset of the symptoms. I also think it has components of phase and distortion issues. I hope you can figure out what your triggers are. i think i'd be mentally wrecked if someone slew my testes as well.  |
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I don't do well with herky jerky drivers as a passenger either.
