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Post by gravesnumber9 on Nov 30, 2021 1:18:14 GMT -6
The cyber Monday spirit moved me and I decided to order an SB2 from DIYRE along with a soldering kit and various supplies. Actually I ordered two so that when I inevitably destroy something I'll have a spare part on hand.
Curious to see how this goes. Spent a few hours on the YouToob (starved plate unfortunately) doing some preliminary investigating. Any quick tips for a novice?
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Post by timcampbell on Nov 30, 2021 2:38:41 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 30, 2021 5:25:54 GMT -6
Have fun, when soldering, practice heating the part first and then touching the solder to it, if it doesn’t almost immediately melt and flow, the part isn’t hot enough.
You want to develop a sense/ feel for the heat drawing the solder to it: you’ll know it, when you see it.
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Post by miadaudio on Nov 30, 2021 8:42:42 GMT -6
Get some veroboards and do some soldering there first so you can practise a bit before working on actual PCBs
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Post by bikescene on Nov 30, 2021 9:46:42 GMT -6
If you haven’t soldered your own cables before, that’s a great place to get some practice reps.
I agree that vero board is another great and cheap way to start to get a feel for soldering wires/components in place. The DB25 pads are close together, so it’s best to get a little practice in. If you put too much solder on, you could accidentally bridge 2 adjacent pads.
I did a DIYRe L2A reamp box a few years ago. The directions are on the website.
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Post by srb on Nov 30, 2021 9:56:30 GMT -6
Have fun, when soldering, practice heating the part first and then touching the solder to it, if it doesn’t almost immediately melt and flow, the part isn’t hot enough. You want to develop a sense/ feel for the heat drawing the solder to it: you’ll know it, when you see it. Yeah, for sure. You want to avoid heating up the traces on a PCB, too. Nothing much worse than one you've "lifted" because it took too much heat. If you haven't secured a lamp with a magnifying lens, get one. Those can help tremendously in checking for proper solder connections ...or lack thereof (especially on small PCB'S). Good luck! There'll be some frustrations, but it's all worth it. Plus, you'll learn a ton.
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Post by tim on Nov 30, 2021 10:01:08 GMT -6
Nice! It's definitely worth knowing some basics about electronics and knowing how to solder. Starting with these kits will get you on that path. I've had to repair quite a few things that I've bought used over the years and having the skills really helps.
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Post by svart on Nov 30, 2021 10:15:57 GMT -6
Have fun, when soldering, practice heating the part first and then touching the solder to it, if it doesn’t almost immediately melt and flow, the part isn’t hot enough. You want to develop a sense/ feel for the heat drawing the solder to it: you’ll know it, when you see it. Yeah, for sure. You want to avoid heating up the traces on a PCB, too. Nothing much worse than one you've "lifted" because it took too much heat. If you haven't secured a lamp with a magnifying lens, get one. Those can help tremendously in checking for proper solder connections...or lack thereof. Good luck! There'll be some frustrations, but it's all worth it. Plus, you'll learn a ton. Firstly, I'm not picking on you. Secondly, heating the pad is what you want to do. Solder always flows towards the heat. If you only heat the part's leg, then solder rarely flows to the pad because it usually has more heatsinking. 9/10 times, people tend to *push* the iron tip into the pads thinking they are getting more heat, but this is rarely true, it's just mechanically damaging the pad. Besides, quality FR type PCBs are quite heat resistant (FR meaning Fire Resistant) being just fiberglass and epoxy. The older phenolic PCBs were pretty terrible at everything, including soldering though. The best way to solder (being a master solderer for 20+ years now) is to use the hottest iron you can use and add a little solder to the tip before you touch the junction. Then feed solder into the junction quickly. Contrary to what folks think, the hotter iron allows you to work more quickly and while the peak temps might be higher, the faster speed reduces the overall heatsoaking (which is what causes more issues). So never use force. If the solder isn't liquifying immediately and wicking into the junctions easily then you need more heat or more flux. Flux is your friend, use it copiously. Also, pick the right sized tip to use. Most folks I've helped seem to either pick something way too fine or way too thick for their usage.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Nov 30, 2021 10:30:54 GMT -6
These are awesome suggestions. I ordered extra tips and a thing of flux already. Leaded and lead-free solder as well as a station with third arm and magnifying glass.
Question on the veroboard. I was looking for something to practice on so I don't make all my mistakes destroying $50 kits... what would I actually be soldering on the veroboard so that I can check my connections? Just a simple closed circuit or something?
Also, I have plenty of dead cables to attempt to fix as well as two 57s that I accidentally destroyed checking to see if they were counterfeit (they weren't, but now the wires need to be re-soldered, nice one genius...) so there's some opportunity there for low stakes practice.
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Post by ragan on Nov 30, 2021 10:31:33 GMT -6
Always sage electrical advice from svart. One of the cool things about the job I started recently is that I work next to some master rework techs and can pick their brains on tips/tricks. One thing that’s new to me is soldering under a microscope. Weird at first but now I love it. I don’t do any of the heavy lifting at work, just soldering leads onto test points for thermal chamber measurements. But the whole reason I ever became an EE was because I started messing with my audio gear and modding/building things. So, look out. One day you might be building a compressor and the next you’ll find you’ve gone and signed up for a bunch of math classes! To the OP, it’s a good move. You’ll have fun and learn stuff and have some real pride and ownership in your gear. And, personally, I find soldering to be therapeutic. Put on some great tunes, get the solder flowing and zen out.
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Post by Guitar on Nov 30, 2021 10:34:32 GMT -6
You can build some stripboard pedals if you want to hear something cool you might actually keep! Check out tagboardeffects.blogspot.com/ or just google some pedals you're interested in. If they work, and you're brave enough, you can box them up in an enclosure and practice point to point offboard wiring. People have covered the soldering stuff. One "trick" I found recently is having Netflix on in the background is even better for me than music. I listen to so much music in my life it's nice to have a break, Netflix and soldering is less stressful to me, and gives the brain something else to think about other than rote mechanical work.
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Post by bikescene on Nov 30, 2021 10:58:06 GMT -6
These are awesome suggestions. I ordered extra tips and a thing of flux already. Leaded and lead-free solder as well as a station with third arm and magnifying glass. Question on the veroboard. I was looking for something to practice on so I don't make all my mistakes destroying $50 kits... what would I actually be soldering on the veroboard so that I can check my connections? Just a simple closed circuit or something? Also, I have plenty of dead cables to attempt to fix as well as two 57s that I accidentally destroyed checking to see if they were counterfeit (they weren't, but now the wires need to be re-soldered, nice one genius...) so there's some opportunity there for low stakes practice. On vero board, you solder a resistor or bare jumper across 2 different rows just to get the feel down. It takes about the same time for the copper trace to be heated up as a PCB pad. A couple of practice joints immediately prior to working helps me get in the flow of soldering. I could see myself making some questionable joints on a 25 pin connector if I got distracted/bored. You can cut the copper traces on vero board by grinding it down with a screwdriver or drilling it out if you want to build something useful. The Neutrik website has good instructions on how much insulation to strip for their connectors if you end up rebuilding dead cables.
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Post by drbill on Nov 30, 2021 11:33:34 GMT -6
So, look out. One day you might be building a compressor and the next you’ll find you’ve gone and signed up for a bunch of math classes! Haha!! Not gonna happen here. I'm with John. I was told there would be no math.
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Post by svart on Nov 30, 2021 12:17:03 GMT -6
I think soldering cables is riskier than soldering PCBs. The thermoplastics they use as insulators tend to melt very quickly and shrink back quite a bit. I tend to only strip a tiny end of the conductor and let the heat shrink the plastic back a little.
But if you get good at soldering cables, you will have no problems with PCBs.
Just look up "solder practice kit" online and you'll find all kinds of low-cost projects that you won't feel bad about messing up before you get into your audio stuff.
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Post by Blackdawg on Nov 30, 2021 13:40:35 GMT -6
Not going to repeat anything in here as its been pretty well covered.
But if you want these are great videos on soldering:
On top of that. DIYRE has GREAT support documents and wonderfully built kits. The SB2 is very easy but make sure you read instuctions well and double check parts. The buss resistors going in backwards can screw you up.
DIYRE kits are the best place to start to build your confidence. Their documentation, online support, interactive build guide, and PCB layouts and parts make them very easy to build. I'd strongly recommend you build a few of their bigger kits after the SB2. Then from there the world is your oyster and you can jump to CAPI and Hairball or JLM or whatever after that and take it all on!
Have fun!
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Post by svart on Nov 30, 2021 14:01:11 GMT -6
One thing brought up in those videos.. I can't stress enough to not use a wet sponge. The water will cause your tips to corrode much more quickly. Use a "dry sponge" which is just a brass/copper mesh, similar to what's stuffed in that Hakko soldering station in the first video.
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Post by Blackdawg on Nov 30, 2021 14:20:10 GMT -6
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Post by svart on Nov 30, 2021 14:25:09 GMT -6
That's what I use personally and professionally. It works very well. Lasts for years too.
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Post by Guitar on Nov 30, 2021 15:08:44 GMT -6
Yes I've got the little gold booger hole too! Came with my Hakko station.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Nov 30, 2021 15:18:39 GMT -6
Not going to repeat anything in here as its been pretty well covered. But if you want these are great videos on soldering: On top of that. DIYRE has GREAT support documents and wonderfully built kits. The SB2 is very easy but make sure you read instuctions well and double check parts. The buss resistors going in backwards can screw you up. DIYRE kits are the best place to start to build your confidence. Their documentation, online support, interactive build guide, and PCB layouts and parts make them very easy to build. I'd strongly recommend you build a few of their bigger kits after the SB2. Then from there the world is your oyster and you can jump to CAPI and Hairball or JLM or whatever after that and take it all on! Have fun! Yep, I read through the directions on the SB2 and was like... "yeah, I can do this." I'd say I'm about a 5/10 on the handiness scale (I can make an acoustic trap but it's very ugly) but I'm a 10/10 on the meticulous process/detail obsessed scale. This could be right up my alley.
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Post by lee on Nov 24, 2023 1:28:03 GMT -6
I’ve picked up some good tips here. But here is my question: when soldering resistors that come with their legs pre cut, are you expected to apply solder from the component side of the board? I find it so much easier to maneuver the tip when it’s on the underside, where the bent legs aren’t getting in the way, but that would mean the resistors fall out unless you place the pcb on the table in order to hold them in. In addition, I have a lower success rate getting it to flow through the pad to the other side when soldering on the component side. What is the best way to do this?
I just realized that a smaller tip and higher heat may help with my flow problem.
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Post by Blackdawg on Nov 24, 2023 2:03:55 GMT -6
I’ve picked up some good tips here. But here is my question: when soldering resistors that come with their legs pre cut, are you expected to apply solder from the component side of the board? I find it so much easier to maneuver the tip when it’s on the underside, where the bent legs aren’t getting in the way, but that would mean the resistors fall out unless you place the pcb on the table in order to hold them in. In addition, I have a lower success rate getting it to flow through the pad to the other side when soldering on the component side. What is the best way to do this? I just realized that a smaller tip and higher heat may help with my flow problem. So when I do this, I take a very small flat head screw driver, like a really tiny one. Then you can use it with your thumb pressure to bend the very short leads over to hold the resistor. The process is insert the resistor, hold it flat against the board while holding the board with my left hand, then the right hand folds the leads over. I like to fold outwards from the resistor center. . Very simple process, bit cumbersome sometime but once you figure out how to do it with the PCB you have it goes fast. Plus they hold themselves in nicely and then you solder from the back as per normal. I still always just do one leg then flip back over to make sure very thing is flush/straight before soldering the second leg. Hopefully that makes sense.
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 24, 2023 5:09:24 GMT -6
^^This^^
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Post by frans on Nov 24, 2023 5:32:33 GMT -6
... and don't forget to never solder ICs without a socket, just in case.
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Post by lee on Nov 24, 2023 11:37:11 GMT -6
I’ve picked up some good tips here. But here is my question: when soldering resistors that come with their legs pre cut, are you expected to apply solder from the component side of the board? I find it so much easier to maneuver the tip when it’s on the underside, where the bent legs aren’t getting in the way, but that would mean the resistors fall out unless you place the pcb on the table in order to hold them in. In addition, I have a lower success rate getting it to flow through the pad to the other side when soldering on the component side. What is the best way to do this? I just realized that a smaller tip and higher heat may help with my flow problem. So when I do this, I take a very small flat head screw driver, like a really tiny one. Then you can use it with your thumb pressure to bend the very short leads over to hold the resistor. The process is insert the resistor, hold it flat against the board while holding the board with my left hand, then the right hand folds the leads over. I like to fold outwards from the resistor center. . Very simple process, bit cumbersome sometime but once you figure out how to do it with the PCB you have it goes fast. Plus they hold themselves in nicely and then you solder from the back as per normal. I still always just do one leg then flip back over to make sure very thing is flush/straight before soldering the second leg. Hopefully that makes sense. That was really well explained, thank you. I will do that from now on.
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