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Post by indiehouse on Nov 19, 2021 19:56:32 GMT -6
If anyone is looking for some 25’s, a guy is auctioning a pair on eBay, Link? |
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 20, 2021 1:22:33 GMT -6
Sorry not seeing them now: bidding was around $3200 Cdn.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2021 1:27:52 GMT -6
25s.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Nov 20, 2021 8:56:43 GMT -6
A long time ago at AES in New York I heard some ATC's. I forget which model, but they were very expensive. They also sounded better than anything I'd ever heard.
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Post by jsteiger on Nov 20, 2021 12:59:56 GMT -6
I have a pair of 150s that the future studio was designed around. I also have a pair of 25s. Love them both.
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Post by mythundreamt on Nov 23, 2021 13:07:49 GMT -6
25s. Love ‘em. Wish I could have fit/afforded 45s, other than that no ragerts.
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 23, 2021 13:54:14 GMT -6
I guess no rAgrets is what Atc owners have ? While the rest of us: just regret not having them  ?! |
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Post by thehightenor on Nov 23, 2021 16:50:38 GMT -6
25s. Love ‘em. Wish I could have fit/afforded 45s, other than that no ragerts. +1 I felt very lucky to be buying 25's but I wish I could of afforded and had room for 45's .... and I know if I'd bought 45's then I'd wished I could of afforded and had room for 50's .... and on and on it's goes with ATC - each incremental model offers decreasing degrees of compromise and increasing degrees of sonic perfection :-) |
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Post by indiehouse on Nov 23, 2021 17:34:56 GMT -6
I had a pair of 25’s about a decade ago, in my old place. Fantastic. I kinda regret moving them. I jumped on the small mixing speaker bandwagon, as smaller speakers seemed more appropriate for my room size. I went from Spiral Grooves to Amphions, and currently using Atomic SixTens. I still miss that ATC detail and holographic image, though.
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 28, 2021 13:10:25 GMT -6
I got a line on some scm11,v2, from original owner round half price.
I have a decent amp, a smaller room and am not concerned about deep bass: below 50 hz or so.
What do you think: go for them?
All my research is very positive .
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Post by Martin John Butler on Nov 28, 2021 14:45:56 GMT -6
I don't know that model, but ATC's are the best monitors I've ever heard.
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Post by nick8801 on Nov 28, 2021 18:39:45 GMT -6
I got a line on some scm11,v2, from original owner round half price. I have a decent amp, a smaller room and am not concerned about deep bass: below 50 hz or so. What do you think: go for them? All my research is very positive . Go for it! I think those are “hi-fi” rather than studio monitors, but I’m sure they will be awesome. ATC has become my favorite speakers to work on. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 28, 2021 18:46:14 GMT -6
Apparently the 11 and 12 ( which are the pro version are very similiar), decisions , decisions ! |
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 15, 2021 14:25:20 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2021 17:24:47 GMT -6
If they only paid 20k usd for them in India, that’s a fair price. ATC has a huge markup |
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Post by Guitar on Dec 15, 2021 17:57:46 GMT -6
ATC = "All The Coins"
hehe :-P
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Post by nomatic on Dec 16, 2021 6:47:18 GMT -6
I may be in the minority but I was on 50s for a while and I never got the translation I wanted. The ATCs had me chasing my tail in micro details
and the final product never pleased me. I enjoyed the mid driver a lot but anything below soffit mounted 110s sound shy in the low frequencies.
This being said I have heard a recent Wes Lanchot room with 150s that was killer. I still think the Dutch & Dutch kill the ATCs in all but the most
purpose built rooms.
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Post by nick8801 on Dec 16, 2021 8:09:47 GMT -6
I may be in the minority but I was on 50s for a while and I never got the translation I wanted. The ATCs had me chasing my tail in micro details and the final product never pleased me. I enjoyed the mid driver a lot but anything below soffit mounted 110s sound shy in the low frequencies. This being said I have heard a recent Wes Lanchot room with 150s that was killer. I still think the Dutch & Dutch kill the ATCs in all but the most purpose built rooms. I always feel like speakers are the dog walker and we are the dogs. The choice of speaker you make is going to lead you in certain directions. It is also super room dependent. I used to have speakers that were way too big for my room. They were also pretty bass heavy. They led me in directions that just didn't work outside of the studio. For me, the ATC's lead me to make balanced mixes that feel very natural coming out of the speakers. If I push anything too hard, the ATC's start to sound all jacked up. Some other monitors I've worked on never "give" which is cool, but I find that type of speaker let's me make all kinds of bad decisions. While I don't believe in the perfect mix, everything I churn out on the ATC's works on other systems. When I tried mixing on ns10's a few years ago, they also lead me down a certain sonic road. I think that's important to remember when choosing speakers. They're going to have a huge influence over the way we choose to present our mixes/productions. Sorry if that's a bad analogy, but it's always what pops in my head when I try to explain monitoring to people looking to get started or upgrade. "Which direction do you want the speakers to take you in?" I've been teaching music production at a high school this year. It's in a lecture hall, and I use a modern JBL PA system so that everyone can hear what I'm doing. Those speakers make it fun to "produce". I literally never think too much about eq, compression, levels etc, because the speakers just pump out power. Everything sounds great on them. When I've taken some work home and played through the ATC's, I always have to adjust levels, eq, general balance so that it is a proper balanced mix. This is why I enjoy having more than one set of speakers to work on. |
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Post by thehightenor on Dec 16, 2021 10:27:44 GMT -6
I may be in the minority but I was on 50s for a while and I never got the translation I wanted. The ATCs had me chasing my tail in micro details and the final product never pleased me. I enjoyed the mid driver a lot but anything below soffit mounted 110s sound shy in the low frequencies. This being said I have heard a recent Wes Lanchot room with 150s that was killer. I still think the Dutch & Dutch kill the ATCs in all but the most purpose built rooms. There's absolutely no reason you should connect with ATC's. That's why there's so many different monitors - we all perceive audio differently, just like colour, food .... beauty. For example, in my room the bass on my ATC 25's is truly fantastic. I can stop listening to the bass on Steely Dan albums especially Gaucho - Hey Nineteen is beyond amazing. The bass is so articulate, tight and musical - no shortage of lows for a bass guitar. It's my gold standard when I record - to match the glorious sonics of Gaucho - I've only just been able to achieve that since I got my 25's this year. That said if I made for example EDM then I imagine I'd be reaching for a sub to add in to the system, but for the genre's I produce fortunately in my room I have no lack of useable low end. There's are other monitor models I like too .... most I can't afford :-) My perfect rig would be ATC 45's and a pair of Kii 3's |
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Post by ericn on Dec 16, 2021 10:42:05 GMT -6
I may be in the minority but I was on 50s for a while and I never got the translation I wanted. The ATCs had me chasing my tail in micro details and the final product never pleased me. I enjoyed the mid driver a lot but anything below soffit mounted 110s sound shy in the low frequencies. This being said I have heard a recent Wes Lanchot room with 150s that was killer. I still think the Dutch & Dutch kill the ATCs in all but the most purpose built rooms. Man do I get that prospective, I don’t think the guys at ATC would have a problem with opinion. ATC is always going to sound best in a well designed room. You Also have to deal with their priorities of low distortion vs LF extension. You just have to understand not every speaker is right for everyone or application. ATC is really about one thing the drivers, no tricky alignment or DSP just great drivers and amplification. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2021 11:08:56 GMT -6
I may be in the minority but I was on 50s for a while and I never got the translation I wanted. The ATCs had me chasing my tail in micro details and the final product never pleased me. I enjoyed the mid driver a lot but anything below soffit mounted 110s sound shy in the low frequencies. This being said I have heard a recent Wes Lanchot room with 150s that was killer. I still think the Dutch & Dutch kill the ATCs in all but the most purpose built rooms. Man do I get that prospective, I don’t think the guys at ATC would have a problem with opinion. ATC is always going to sound best in a well designed room. You Also have to deal with their priorities of low distortion vs LF extension. You just have to understand not every speaker is right for everyone or application. ATC is really about one thing the drivers, no tricky alignment or DSP just great drivers and amplification. The only problem is you need at least the 20s or the 50s for that SL driver sound and the cost is through the roof. I’m mixing Tascam black metal now recorded onto a cassette. No way… |
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Post by ericn on Dec 16, 2021 11:17:27 GMT -6
Man do I get that prospective, I don’t think the guys at ATC would have a problem with opinion. ATC is always going to sound best in a well designed room. You Also have to deal with their priorities of low distortion vs LF extension. You just have to understand not every speaker is right for everyone or application. ATC is really about one thing the drivers, no tricky alignment or DSP just great drivers and amplification. The only problem is you need at least the 20s or the 50s for that SL driver sound and the cost is through the roof. I’m mixing Tascam black metal now recorded onto a cassette. No way… Well there is that🥸 Unfortunately good drivers don’t come cheap and consistently good drivers even more so. |
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Post by indiehouse on Dec 17, 2021 11:31:58 GMT -6
I really want to get back on a pair of ATC’s. The Amphion One15’s are pretty great, though. More detailed than the Atomic SixTens. I’m just wary of DSP based monitors, especially with something like the D&D. Lots of $$, and if that company folds, who is going to update the software for the ever marching progress of technology?
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Post by ericn on Dec 17, 2021 13:26:06 GMT -6
I really want to get back on a pair of ATC’s. The Amphion One15’s are pretty great, though. More detailed than the Atomic SixTens. I’m just wary of DSP based monitors, especially with something like the D&D. Lots of $$, and if that company folds, who is going to update the software for the ever marching progress of technology? I understand the concern, but my main concern wouldn’t be DSP updates, unless they are going to change the entire voicing and it’s not like your going to hook them up to the web so security is a non issue. My main concern would be the same as with any new speaker manufacturer; will I be able to get custom / semi custom drivers ? Example try getting Cabase Tweeters for KRK V88’s! Unless the numbers are huge none of the Chinese OEMs care to clone. |
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Post by indiehouse on Dec 17, 2021 13:35:28 GMT -6
I really want to get back on a pair of ATC’s. The Amphion One15’s are pretty great, though. More detailed than the Atomic SixTens. I’m just wary of DSP based monitors, especially with something like the D&D. Lots of $$, and if that company folds, who is going to update the software for the ever marching progress of technology? I understand the concern, but my main concern wouldn’t be DSP updates, unless they are going to change the entire voicing and it’s not like your going to hook them up to the web so security is a non issue. My main concern would be the same as with any new speaker manufacturer; will I be able to get custom / semi custom drivers ? Example try getting Cabase Tweeters for KRK V88’s! Unless the numbers are huge none of the Chinese OEMs care to clone. That's a plus for the Atomics. I believe they are using off the shelf drivers. Though they lack detail compared to my One15's, they are certainly more full range and voiced completely differently. |
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