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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 16, 2021 17:38:13 GMT -6
Has anyone demoed these new versions, 3 way, concentric mid and tweeter and improved quieter amp ?
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Post by christopher on Nov 18, 2021 13:49:06 GMT -6
A few weeks ago I heard the version 2nd wave in-5 at GC next to the old model IN-8: I can promise the In-5 2nd wave are excellent for $350/ea. 8.5 or 9 out of 10 stars. I’d score JBL/KRK/Adam: 8 to 8.5 out of 10. The old IN-8, I score it a 4 or 5 out of 10. I didn’t like it all.
They belong in the small near-field category. They sound the way the IK-Loud monitors look. From across the room they sound small and condensed like desktop speakers. But they do get loud and fill the room, at least 90dB, very loud talking level. I heard zero hiss, mostly listened quietly. They have an extremely narrow focal point, your head has to be exactly in the sweet spot. Then you hear every little detail in an immersive way. It’s like your own private movie theater for your face, if that makes sense. You know how a MacBook can feel like you are looking into a giant screen? That kind of thing. I’m sure other monitors do this as well. Does that mean if your head isn’t in the right spot you might EQ wrong? I don’t know..
The difference I noticed vs 2-way KRK, JBL, Adam , the DSP has tuned them up really well. Totally rung-out, no sign of bass resonance or port smear, instead some actual bass notes were audible. No fizzy or spazzy highs, they roll off, so they feel more like high end speakers. I actually would try to give it a little more top end.
The only thing that concerns me: they sound exactly like when I’ve tuned very cheap monitors to get the very best sound possible out of them. I can do that to any speaker, and I know how great it can sound and yet still leave you with a guesstimate as to how mixes will translate.
The more I think about it, maybe forget in-8 V2 and the IN-5 is the one to get, as a compliment to better speakers?
I’ve been thinking about KRK 10-3 or some 8” 2 ways. I was hoping they’d have the 10-3 to demo, but no.
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 18, 2021 14:18:51 GMT -6
Understood, thx. I have had and sold many monitors including amphion 18s, felt my room couldn’t really support a really good monitor.
Been using my Sony cans for a couple of years no monitors at all.
The concentric 2 way design and better quieter amp appealed to me.
Problem is no one in Cdn has any so can’t demo. Thinking about buying in us, but they are prohibited from selling to Canada, so much for free trade.
I could ship to my Myusaddress though and they will ship to Canada.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 1, 2021 7:35:05 GMT -6
Btw I ordered a set of the In-5 to demo.
I am expecting to be underwhelmed but who knows, so thought I would try them.
I have been only on cans for a few years, so am curious whether they are really a good compliment to my cans for soundstage and placement.
On paper, the concentric soft done tweeter and mid range should be balanced, focussed and clear: the 5 inch parted woofer should be quick and tight but not really deep.
For under $700, they are like a pretty good set of headphones by price point, but are also well reviewed.
We’ll see.
I’ll keep you posted .
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Post by drumsound on Dec 1, 2021 11:19:51 GMT -6
I'll be interested to hear your thoughts.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 1, 2021 11:37:55 GMT -6
I’m interested in knowing them, have had a large variety of good to very good monitors, including the dyn lyd48, which would be closest but 4-5x the money.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 1, 2021 21:12:08 GMT -6
My friend just bought them, but I haven't heard them. I've been using the Kali LP 6 for 9 months, and once you learn them, they're OK. Not as much detail as you'd like, but quite useable. I'm considering getting the IN-5 to replace them, but do wonder if adding a few dollars more to their cost might get me a better speaker used..
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 2, 2021 0:20:28 GMT -6
Well the IN series have new quieter amps, the concentric design and supposedly better drivers for you in the states you could likely get a pair for $700 ish , better used speakers will likely cost a fair bit more ?
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 2, 2021 9:09:27 GMT -6
It does make me wonder what is out there for say.. $850..
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 2, 2021 11:05:04 GMT -6
Seek and ye shall find !
Smaller 2 way speakers have their inherent cabinet resonance and crossover design challenges/ theoretically the Kali should be more accurate: if cross over is done correctly.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 3, 2021 8:10:15 GMT -6
kcat, did you get the Kali's yet? I'd like to hear your thoughts on them.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2021 9:03:59 GMT -6
I’m interested in knowing them, have had a large variety of good to very good monitors, including the dyn lyd48, which would be closest but 4-5x the money. Yeah, I love the LYD 48's but they kick like a mule and are not exactly made for a small relatively unbalanced room like my old one was. I'm a massive fan of 3-way designs and coaxial though, if for any reason the Kali's don't work I'd recommend that you check out the ME Geithain RL906's. They ain't cheap but are very high quality and tend to work in less than ideal situations. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 3, 2021 11:10:22 GMT -6
Kalis showed today. Initial impression is good: fit and finish are good and they have a good heft: don’t feel or look cheap. I’ll break them in over the next couple of days and post my thoughts: am not using any correction software and my room is treated. To be clear, I bought these so my comments will be unvarnished. I am expecting to experience my normal problems/concerns with my room, but the 3 way concentric design, larger sweet spot and dsp, may allow me to dial these in more. Also, I am running the Aurora N now which is more linear then my previous interfaces’ converters( Apollo/ symphony mkii), so this may all bode well for the in-5. I am hoping for accurate, clear, better defined, top,mid and a fast clear, not deep bottom. I am kinda seeing them as very large headphones !  I’ll keep you posted. ibb.co/S5gx8mDibb.co/3p2nzmL |
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 4, 2021 13:26:43 GMT -6
Inmediate first impressions: Cables showed up and monitors are working fine. quite loud!, but no noticeable hiss , have turned down daw output -24 db for quieter listenable levels. A little boomy and low mid boxy at first , but upper mids and top are good. Sweet-spot is readily apparent. I left dsp flat, will just play audio and let them break in. More later. ibb.co/brm0pgM |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2021 17:00:18 GMT -6
I’m interested in knowing them, have had a large variety of good to very good monitors, including the dyn lyd48, which would be closest but 4-5x the money. Yeah, I love the LYD 48's but they kick like a mule and are not exactly made for a small relatively unbalanced room like my old one was. I'm a massive fan of 3-way designs and coaxial though, if for any reason the Kali's don't work I'd recommend that you check out the ME Geithain RL906's. They ain't cheap but are very high quality and tend to work in less than ideal situations. No Geithain distribution in North America  We barely even have PSI in the USA. We lost Quested being stocked in COVID too. They are moving the factory so it will be a while. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 4, 2021 17:36:32 GMT -6
Well, you can buy overseas and ship, but of course factor in duties etc..
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 5, 2021 4:54:54 GMT -6
Day 2
I cancelled sleep on my Mac hoping they would play all night, but this morning no music was playing so I restarted everything, not certain how much they burned in past night .
Still finding them a little boomy, ( this is typical in my room)
monitors are on isocoutics stands and have moved them further away from back Wall and set the positioning dsp accordingly.
You can also adjust bass and treble +- 2 db. feel like I may do -2 on bass and +2 on treble.
The mids are clear, (vocals and most instruments, sound very good, but drums a little boxy, and bass a little bloomy, but the phantom centre channel is excellent.
I know from my various monitor experience that I prefer closed cabs (amphion, focal shape) to either front or back ports, which I always found a little boomy. I'd happily give up some low freq for clarity and tightness in the bass.
More later.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 5, 2021 6:39:13 GMT -6
Lowered bass -2 db and increased treble +2 db. listening to Beatles on iTunes ( apple digital master)
sound much more balanced, clearer and tighter, bass still a little boomy
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 5, 2021 15:26:46 GMT -6
Day 2 has gone well.
In fairness to the speakers, as they naturally present a different sound than my cans , lower bass and clearer mids, I am, based on critiquing my headphone mixes, remixing, rather than faulting the speakers.
I am re-saving/naming ,what had been my final headphone mixes and then I will compare.
If people would like I could post a couple of paired tracks without naming them, with one being the cans mix the other on the Kali and we could see what we prefer.
One of the reasons I am demoing the Kali was because I became increasingly concerned how sort of compressed the depth of soundstage was in the lower mids and bass on my cans, very hard to hear into that in a revealing way.
I am finding on day 2 , as the Kali’s are burning in that:
1 I am getting calibrated to them as the dsp and placement tweaks are settling in so they sound flatter, not so boomy
2 as I address boom by remixing say bass and kick etc, the mix leans out and sounds better
Also find as the mid and tweeter break in being able to hear more texture in those frequencies and then eqing, tweaking mix accordingly ( (comp settings and volume).
They have lots of power so this is all at lower volumes too.
Initially, the Kali mid did not have the Dyn LYD wow factor, but the Kali are growing on me, in the sense that, I starting to think that may not have an apparent Kali sound: are just somewhat understated, in that good way that we want from studio monitors: they just get out of the way and just present the mix.
For the first time, I am starting to think, they may be keepers.
On to day 3.
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Post by the other mark williams on Dec 5, 2021 15:41:01 GMT -6
Day 2 has gone well. In fairness to the speakers, as they naturally present a different sound than my cans , lower bass and clearer mids, I am, based on critiquing my headphone mixes, remixing, rather than faulting the speakers. I am re-saving/naming ,what had been my final headphone mixes and then I will compare. If people would like I could post a couple of paired tracks without naming them, with one being the cans mix the other on the Kali and we could see what we prefer. One of the reasons I am demoing the Kali was because I became increasingly concerned how sort of compressed the depth of soundstage was in the lower mids and bass on my cans, very hard to hear into that in a revealing way. I am finding on day 2 , as the Kali’s are burning in that: 1 I am getting calibrated to them as the dsp and placement tweaks are settling in so they sound flatter, not so boomy 2 as I address boom by remixing say bass and kick etc, the mix leans out and sounds better Also find as the mid and tweeter break in being able to hear more texture in those frequencies and then eqing, tweaking mix accordingly ( (comp settings and volume). They have lots of power so this is all at lower volumes too. Initially, the Kali mid did not have the Dyn LYD wow factor, but the Kali are growing on me, in the sense that, I starting to think that may not have an apparent Kali sound: are just somewhat understated, in that good way that we want from studio monitors: they just get out of the way and just present the mix. For the first time, I am starting to think, they may be keepers. On to day 3. I forget: are you planning on using Sonarworks, too? IIRC, you used to use it at some point, did you not? |
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 5, 2021 17:53:10 GMT -6
I have bought and sold SW 3 times:)
I almost bought it with the measurement mike, when it was on sale a week or so ago, but hadn’t ordered the Kali’s yet so held off.
If I keep the Kali’s and SW goes on sale at Christmas I will likely buy it again:)
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Post by sirthought on Dec 5, 2021 19:40:10 GMT -6
It does make me wonder what is out there for say.. $850.. I bought my KH-80 pair as B-stock for $840. Good size for my room. If I find a larger mix space I'll buy the sub to work with them. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 6, 2021 9:45:30 GMT -6
I wanted to like the Neumann's, but when I heard them, they seemed kind of dull. I wish I hadn't sold my Avantone Abbey's, they were really good, but I needed money for medical bills.
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Post by drumsound on Dec 6, 2021 14:01:00 GMT -6
I wanted to like the Neumann's, but when I heard them, they seemed kind of dull. I wish I hadn't sold my Avantone Abbey's, they were really good, but I needed money for medical bills. We have a thumbs up option, but I'd like a thumbs down option on this because it is utter bullshit someone needs to sell ANYTHING, let alone things they use to make a living, to pay medical bills. |
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Post by christopher on Dec 7, 2021 11:01:24 GMT -6
Lowered bass -2 db and increased treble +2 db. listening to Beatles on iTunes ( apple digital master) sound much more balanced, clearer and tighter, bass still a little boomy Thanks for trying these out and giving us some feedback! I bought some DT770's this year (love them) and first track I tested them on was the 2019 Beatles; It was overly boomy and just horrible, lol! Everday try and nope, it took a week for the headphones to break in before I could enjoy those mixes, so possibly its break in period... When I heard them in the GC demo room there was an overdose of studio foam everywhere. I think that's why I felt movie theater vibes, and didn't really notice a boomy thing. I've worked in a foamed out control room and so I'm kind of used to how things sound like that. I mention this because I made some DIY superchunk triangle bass traps for my friends a few years ago. They were only 4 foot high, 703, not that big, and I tested them in my living room. My living room was pretty big weird shape, 12-16 foot ceilings, going from 15-30 feet wide and hallways that went back 50 feet to the kitchen. Not many nodes, tons of room reverb though. When I set them up in the corners by the KEFs, it dropped the room tone so much that I was getting a little bit of the foamed-out studio vibe from the KEFs. Brought the NS10's in and same thing. I'd say conservatively at least 6db decrease in room tone, but really felt like 20db. I really didn't want to give them away, but I did. Could be a very cheap solution, its just a little bit misery dealing with 703. I totally mummy wrapped mine in plastic wrap to reduce breathing loose fibers before putting fabric over it. |
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